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Oct 5, 2014 11:43:14   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Could you imagine self regulation of your big mouth?

tdsrnest wrote:
Can you imagine privatize the CDC. Can you imagine self regulation by Duke power. Can you imagine self regulation of Koch industries. Can you imagine self regulation of Beef farmers chicken farmers give me a break

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Oct 5, 2014 12:03:10   #
Ve'hoe
 
First, you don't sell it to a foreign country. Then,,,, you don't let Obama sponsor a humongous depression and call it OK,,,

On a single day in June, an Australian-Spanish partnership paid $3.8 billion to lease the Indiana Toll Road. An Australian company bought a 99-year lease on Virginia's Pocahontas Parkway, and Texas officials decided to let a Spanish-American partnership build and run a toll road from Austin to Seguin for 50 years.

The problem for the ITR’s investors -- and one that can potentially unravel similar deals -- is the imprecise nature of traffic projections. They are, transportation officials admit, notoriously unreliable and more of an art form than a science. If investors guess too high, they could lose big sums. But if they guess too low, they might wind up losing out on a good deal. The ITR deal was a case of especially bad timing, since there’s no way Macquarie and Cintra could have predicted that the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression would strike so soon after the ink dried on the contract. The ITR “was bought during a bubble and the [new owners are] trying to operate during a recession,” says David Ellis, a research economist with the Texas Transportation Institute. “To expect for this to be a rosy time might be a little bit contrary to logic.”
Americans, still suffering the effects of a recession while facing elevating gas prices, aren’t driving as much as they used to. Moreover, the volume of commercial truck traffic -- key to the success or failure of the ITR -- is tied directly to the state of the economy at large. With those trucks not hauling the volume of products they once did, it’s no surprise the investors are struggling.


J Anthony wrote:
And private enterprise meddling in vital public services doesn't work either.. So how do we find a proper balance? You can't privatize everything, and you can't have government running everything, so?

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Oct 5, 2014 12:31:19   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
1OldGeezer wrote:
DJRich,

So you found a private company that doesn't know how to run a business, But, Many other private contractors do a good job and save the tax payers money.
This particular example will earn the state money. The private investors who make bad business decisions are held accountable by the market and they lose THEIR money, as it should be, not the taxpayers' (yours and mine) money.

If the government had the direct administration of this project the poor management would just continue (and be redoubled) and more taxes/increased tolls would be thrown down the rat hole. Let the free market do its magic and hold bad performance accountable, the government never does, it just asks for more of our money.

Medicare? That is an example of our politicians doing a good job? It is a good program if it would just be administered properly, we are overspending and borrowing (seen the National debt lately- when are we going to have to deal with that?) in order to sustain it. Medicare; Good Administration..Not.., but, it is a good example of what government does best. (fraud and abuse with no accountability). (Fast and Furious had no accountability either)

Medicare should have been revised/properly funded long ago, but the politicians won't until the SHTF...Good administration and accountability? Try another one, why did you not bring up the Veterans Administration as an example, it is a more typical recent example of government work,..and,.Can't hardly wait for the Affordable Care Act to get into full swing with the new 16,000 IRS employees. and..ACA Website anyone - 2 billion dollars! On and on...Solyndra bankruptcy is another example of government work. I give up....

1oldgeezer
DJRich, br br So you found a private company that... (show quote)


The national debt is a systemic problem caused by the privatization of currency-creation and credit control. Try to understand and come to grips with this truth, and you will see it is the root of our fiscal problems. If we didn't have to borrow the money for our money-supply from private-bankers, we wouldn't have a national debt. Our government is complicit in this institutionalized usury. Nothing changes until we deal with that.

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Oct 5, 2014 12:36:56   #
Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon
 
jimahrens wrote:
This guy is a clown. Like most Liberals that have the mindset. Don't make me work for it Just give it to me. You owe it to me.


:thumbup: you have got that right.

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Oct 5, 2014 13:04:35   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
DJRich wrote:
Many om the conservative side, who claim they hate government and support privatizing programs like SS, Medicare, and literally dozens more, should take a good, long like at the failure of the private sector in running the Indiana turnpike. The consortium has gone bankrupt.
The former republican governor and the current republican governor chortle to themselves that the citizens of Indiana will not be affected, but that remains to be seen.
The reason for the lack of use of the Indiana turnpike is simple, it is a lousy road, in need of repair across the length.
Without proper funding, the road is best avoided if possible,
and anyone who has had the bad fortune of driving thru Indiana knows that.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/05/failed-toll-road-privatization-leaves-indiana-in-driver-seat/?intcmp=latestnews
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Your fascination with Communism and/or Socialism is remarkable.

Here's the flaw in your argument.

When a federal project, like the Boston Big-Dig or VA or American Indian Hospitals or Obamacare website loses billions of dollars, it doesn't go bankrupt. It gets more funding if liberals get their way.

So you can't compare a government monopoly that supports failure to a private sector enterprise that supports success.

If you want your life run by the incompetent and corrupt. That's your problem, but I won't stand by silently while your fellow progressives ruin the country that my family and I live in.

IOW - Private sector is held to a much higher standard than government works.. And I like higher standards.

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Oct 5, 2014 13:17:38   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
J Anthony wrote:
The national debt is a systemic problem caused by the privatization of currency-creation and credit control. Try to understand and come to grips with this truth, and you will see it is the root of our fiscal problems. If we didn't have to borrow the money for our money-supply from private-bankers, we wouldn't have a national debt. Our government is complicit in this institutionalized usury. Nothing changes until we deal with that.

Our government is complicit?!?! Are you kidding? Our government is TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE. They aren't "complicit". They OWN the blame. There's not a damned thing a business, a bank, a loan company - ANY AMERICAN OR AMERICAN BUSINESS can do about money WITHOUT OUR GOVERNMENT'S EXPLICIT INVOLVEMENT AND APPROVAL. Quit trying to blame private enterprise for acting on YOUR politicians' AUTHORITY (FORCE). It shows you for the fool you are.

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Oct 5, 2014 14:47:31   #
Jesus Christ
 
You are correct!




J Anthony wrote:
That's all too true. The proud and the ignorant, as usual, don't seem to want to acknowledge that this is not a "free market", not when powerful interests,with our government's support, can do exactly that: privatize the profits and socialize the losses. But that is what is happening in banking, education,, healthcare, energy extraction....that's socialism for the rich, capitalism for everyone else.

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Oct 5, 2014 15:30:37   #
Airforceone
 
1OldGeezer wrote:
lpnmajor,

In most of your comments about free enterprise you completely ignore the most important ingredient in the free market, COMPETITION, that is the driving force that makes the businesses responsive to what you and I want. We vote for who stays in business by our "freedom to choose" and voting with our dollars. When the government gets involved by restricting/mandating our choices or subsidizes unresponsive businesses this is no longer true.

As long as we can keep the government from restricting our choices and the government does it's assigned job of assuring competition in the market place (antitrust laws) we will get responsive products and services at the best prices, those that don't play the free market game won't sell enough to stay in business (unless the government gets involved with "subsidies for campaign donations".)

No one is saying that free enterprise is perfect or does not have some faults, but it is still FAR ahead of any other system in second place.

Surely you already know this (and agree) ?

1oldgeezer
lpnmajor, br br In most of your comments about fr... (show quote)


Who's policy is it to subsidies oil companies, who's policy was it to bail out the financial institutes, who's policy was it to create tax inversion, is this not a form of subsidies

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Oct 5, 2014 15:35:00   #
Airforceone
 
vernon wrote:
i have never had a problem with my health insc co.i hear tales of insc. cos. not paying but i havent met anyone that they denied service to.


That's because your ideology will not allow real facts to get into your head. It's real and it happens all the time. It happened to my son.

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Oct 5, 2014 16:51:28   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
Tasine wrote:
Our government is complicit?!?! Are you kidding? Our government is TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE. They aren't "complicit". They OWN the blame. There's not a damned thing a business, a bank, a loan company - ANY AMERICAN OR AMERICAN BUSINESS can do about money WITHOUT OUR GOVERNMENT'S EXPLICIT INVOLVEMENT AND APPROVAL. Quit trying to blame private enterprise for acting on YOUR politicians' AUTHORITY (FORCE). It shows you for the fool you are.

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Oct 5, 2014 17:04:03   #
kush
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
First, you don't sell it to a foreign country. Then,,,, you don't let Obama sponsor a humongous depression and call it OK,,,

On a single day in June, an Australian-Spanish partnership paid $3.8 billion to lease the Indiana Toll Road. An Australian company bought a 99-year lease on Virginia's Pocahontas Parkway, and Texas officials decided to let a Spanish-American partnership build and run a toll road from Austin to Seguin for 50 years.

The problem for the ITR’s investors -- and one that can potentially unravel similar deals -- is the imprecise nature of traffic projections. They are, transportation officials admit, notoriously unreliable and more of an art form than a science. If investors guess too high, they could lose big sums. But if they guess too low, they might wind up losing out on a good deal. The ITR deal was a case of especially bad timing, since there’s no way Macquarie and Cintra could have predicted that the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression would strike so soon after the ink dried on the contract. The ITR “was bought during a bubble and the [new owners are] trying to operate during a recession,” says David Ellis, a research economist with the Texas Transportation Institute. “To expect for this to be a rosy time might be a little bit contrary to logic.”
Americans, still suffering the effects of a recession while facing elevating gas prices, aren’t driving as much as they used to. Moreover, the volume of commercial truck traffic -- key to the success or failure of the ITR -- is tied directly to the state of the economy at large. With those trucks not hauling the volume of products they once did, it’s no surprise the investors are struggling.
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I love the part where Obama.....sponsors a depression LOL

Yes, Bush left a healthy economy there. Jeesh!!!!!

It is one thing to have an informed opinion, but what a load here!!!

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Oct 5, 2014 17:17:31   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
Tasine wrote:
Our government is complicit?!?! Are you kidding? Our government is TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE. They aren't "complicit". They OWN the blame. There's not a damned thing a business, a bank, a loan company - ANY AMERICAN OR AMERICAN BUSINESS can do about money WITHOUT OUR GOVERNMENT'S EXPLICIT INVOLVEMENT AND APPROVAL. Quit trying to blame private enterprise for acting on YOUR politicians' AUTHORITY (FORCE). It shows you for the fool you are.


Right. Whatever helps you sleep at night, it's not my mission in life to assign this or that amount of blame. The government worked in collusion with private interests on the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Over the last century, private banking conglomerates amassed power that often dwarfed that of the governments they supplied currency for. Look it up, see what happened to government officials when they publicly challenged the private banking system. There has long been such an insidious, revolving-door relationship between higher-ups in government and private banking, you can hardly tell who's working for who anymore. You're the fool if you think all the lords of business finance in the private sector are all benign and virtuous, looking out for your well-being. Unlike yourself, i can see there are bad seeds in both sectors that are taking us all for fools. What do you think should be done? Just argue about blame? We're all to blame, pal, we ARE the government. When are you self-righteous types going to acknowledge that we the people also own the responsibility? Right? Don't you folks think you have a lock on accountability? Where is it now?

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Oct 5, 2014 17:25:46   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
Super Dave wrote:
Your fascination with Communism and/or Socialism is remarkable.

Here's the flaw in your argument.

When a federal project, like the Boston Big-Dig or VA or American Indian Hospitals or Obamacare website loses billions of dollars, it doesn't go bankrupt. It gets more funding if liberals get their way.

So you can't compare a government monopoly that supports failure to a private sector enterprise that supports success.

If you want your life run by the incompetent and corrupt. That's your problem, but I won't stand by silently while your fellow progressives ruin the country that my family and I live in.

IOW - Private sector is held to a much higher standard than government works.. And I like higher standards.
Your fascination with Communism and/or Socialism i... (show quote)

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Oct 5, 2014 17:38:17   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
Super Dave wrote:
Your fascination with Communism and/or Socialism is remarkable.

Here's the flaw in your argument.

When a federal project, like the Boston Big-Dig or VA or American Indian Hospitals or Obamacare website loses billions of dollars, it doesn't go bankrupt. It gets more funding if liberals get their way.

So you can't compare a government monopoly that supports failure to a private sector enterprise that supports success.

If you want your life run by the incompetent and corrupt. That's your problem, but I won't stand by silently while your fellow progressives ruin the country that my family and I live in.

IOW - Private sector is held to a much higher standard than government works.. And I like higher standards.
Your fascination with Communism and/or Socialism i... (show quote)


You're right, but shouldn't that mean that we need to apply higher standards to our government and the public sector as well? How is it ok to let public services decline and society along with it? Government is not a private business, nor should it ever be, but leaders in both parties want to run it like one, and that's the problem. I'm not saying government is the answer. But a real government that actually does more good than bad would be a refreshing change of pace. Or maybe you prefer no government at all? Could it work? I'm always open to new ideas and different views.

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Oct 5, 2014 19:22:21   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
J Anthony wrote:
You're right, but shouldn't that mean that we need to apply higher standards to our government and the public sector as well? How is it ok to let public services decline and society along with it? Government is not a private business, nor should it ever be, but leaders in both parties want to run it like one, and that's the problem. I'm not saying government is the answer. But a real government that actually does more good than bad would be a refreshing change of pace. Or maybe you prefer no government at all? Could it work? I'm always open to new ideas and different views.
You're right, but shouldn't that mean that we need... (show quote)


Let me refer you to a site about what you just asked: http://no-ruler.net

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