straightUp Loc: California

Don't blame me, my post was about an NBC Poll and it didn't mention the border issue. I already stated in subsequent response that I agree the border issue is high on the list of concerns among Trump supporters.


I don't see any evidence that this is the case. In fact, states didn't actually shut down so it's hard to know what you're even talking about.


You are mistaking coincidence for cause.

First of all, inflation (and prices) are controlled by the free market, not a president. And interest rates are controlled by the central bank, again, not the president. Secondly, when it comes to the economy, the first two years of any presidency is generally more influenced by the previous president than the current one. So 2017 and 2018 was more influenced by Obama than Trump. Likewise, 2021 and 2022 was more influenced by Trump than Biden.

Also, we were technically still at war with Afghanistan when Trump left office. Trump may have surrendered to the Taliban but he left the conditions of his surrender - (a complete withdrawal from Afghanistan) - up to Biden to complete in three months. Since then, we have not been at war with anyone. There is a war between Russia and Ukraine and Israel is committing genocide on the Palestinians which some people are calling a war. But we aren't engaged in either of them, despite our rhetoric and supplies.


Not really. States like New York receive a LOT more visitors from other places, making them far more susceptible to the spread of disease than any of the fly-over states that no one cares about.


Actually, the green energy focus hasn't failed at all. That's just wishful thinking on your part. Green energy is continuing to evolve and we are investing in its research and development. You seem to think we're trying to swap out proven sources of energy for unproven ones. Rest assured this is not what is happening. Leaders like Biden are slowly phasing in the new solutions as they become viable. Already, green energy production employs more people than the coal industry does. What you are hearing is the kicking and screaming of fossil fuel based industries that are scared they are going to lose profits as we phase over.


In that case, it also includes the Palestinian babies being murdered by Israel. Where's your outrage there? Seems to me that you hypocrites only mention the 10 Commandments when it's convenient for your politics.


I'm fine with that. So why don't you step aside and let God do his job?

Hydro

As usual a Democrate will always be a Democrate every point I made is true - I lived in California and the state was locked down - my home state of Florida wasn’t - very different atmosphere we weren’t stopped from going to funerals or church - in Cal. It was the law of Newsom - costs have sky rocketed on essential items since Biden was inaugurated gas groceries mortgages - these are facts - as far as green new deal it has failed and at a tremendous cost of tax payer funds Fird and Toyota took billions in grants along with upstart manufacturers of bus’s - Ford and Toyota now have dealer lots full and folks aren’t buying - they have since along with other manufacturers dialed way back as they told Biden it wasn’t feasible- the bus manufacturers have since filed bankrupcy - the carbon credit legislation Biden attempted to force on all municipalities has been ruled unconstitutional by the SC - could go on but with the blinders you choose to wear it would be a waste of time

straightUp Loc: California

That's a lie. Schumer DID bring it to the floor back in February. And Biden even said he would sign it. But the
House GOP leaders issued a joint statement urging Senate to bury it. The statement was signed by House Speaker Mike Johnson, Majority Leader Steve Scalise, Majority Whip Tom Emmer, and Republican Conference Chairwoman Elise Stefanik.

Some people think H.R.2 died in the Senate because Trump told them not to pass it, which he did, but it's doubtful that his request is the actual reason, although it would help his campaign if he can say Biden didn't do anything to fix the border. People more familiar with how Congress works will tell you that H.R.2 is what Congress calls a "messaging bill". A messaging bill is a bill that is never intended to pass, but to make political statements instead. House Republicans were counting on Biden to veto the bill, which would make him look like he has no interest in fixing the border, but when Biden said he WOULD sign it, they immediately sent the joint statement.

After all... the LAST thing the Republicans want is for Biden to fix the border.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/rejecting-bipartisan-solution-republicans-tout-unserious-bill-rcna137527

Hydro

I truly don’t think that is an issue as Biden has trouble walking upright - why do you think his handlers keep him from holding spontaneous news conferences - why do you think he is on vacation almost 50% if the time - his main focus if he obeys the rules his handlers have put In place is he is rewarded with an ice cream cone

America 1 Loc: South Miami

The US is presently involved in 15 ‘shadow wars’
Syria
Since 2014, the U.S. has engaged in efforts to destabilize terrorist groups in Syria, including deploying nearly 900 U.S. troops. American support of the region began with the pro-democracy protests of the Arab Spring of 2011. During that time, the Syrian government’s destabilization led to a civil war. To this day, the U.S. continues providing military intelligence, surveillance, and air support.
Iraq
The Iraq War officially ended in December 2011, but U.S. troops returned to the region in 2014 to support counterterrorism operations. Military support aims to prevent and suppress the resurgence of ISIS in the area. Approximately 2,500 American troops remain in the region as of March 2023, providing instruction and assistance to Iraqi troops.
Egypt
The U.S. has maintained a military presence in Egypt since 1978 to enforce the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty. The U.S. has provided more than $50 billion in military aid to the country. American troops have recently taken a more active role in the nation’s national security by partnering with the Egyptian military in Enigma Hunter, a counterterrorist effort targeting ISIS.
Kenya
The U.S. maintains a military task force in Kenya in opposition to threats posed by the terrorist organization al-Shabaab. In 2020, the group launched an attack on a Kenyan military base in Manda Bay, where American troops were providing training, resulting in the deaths of an American soldier and two contractors. As of 2021, the Department of Defense funds $69 million in regional projects aimed toward counterterrorism measures.
Lebanon
American and Lebanese militaries have joined forces in opposition to Lebanon-based terrorist organizations, including ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Since 2012, the U.S. has provided the region with $2 billion in humanitarian aid, including $72 million specifically to increase the wages of the Lebanese Army and police forces.
Libya
American forces have been engaged in several military operations in Libya since the 2012 Benghazi attack, which resulted in the deaths of a U.S. ambassador and two CIA contractors, instigating a campaign geared toward improving the safety of American diplomats. The U.S. has launched drone strikes against the region’s terrorist groups since 2020.
Mali
Mali is another of the 11 African countries with which the U.S. has engaged in Operation Juniper Shield. To combat terrorist organizations in the region—including al-Shabaab, al-Qaeda, and Boko Haram—the U.S. provides training and equipment to Mali military groups. The country is also the site of Operation Objective Voice, an anti-propaganda information campaign.
Mauritania
Mauritania is another African country within the scope of the counterterrorism campaign Operation Juniper Shield. The country is also site to a base partially involved in the anti-propaganda campaign Operation Objective Voice. Additionally, during an annual event known as Exercise Flintlock, the U.S. provides the country with military training support in partnership with Canada and some European countries.
Niger
The U.S. provides counterterrorism support in numerous military campaigns currently operating within Niger, including Juniper Shield, Jukebox Lotus, and Objective Voice. The U.S. officially opened Niger Air Base 201 in 2019, serving as a base for American troops to operate drones and some small aircraft for military missions. The airfield cost approximately $110 million to construct.
Nigeria
The U.S. government maintains a steady military presence in Nigeria, supporting Operation Juniper Shield and Operation Objective Voice. The African nation has long been a military ally of the U.S., and in 2022, the White House approved the controversial selling of $1 billion in arms to the country. American support of the country dates back nearly two decades; since 2000, the U.S. has provided over 41,000 training courses to Nigerian military personnel.
Somalia
Over the past decade, the U.S. government has provided $3 billion to Somalia in the fight against terrorist groups al-Shabaab and ISIS. Aid given thus far also includes combat raids and military training and equipment. Under the Trump administration, American troops withdrew from Somalia, leading al-Shabaab to regain its grip on the region. However, the group’s presence waned amid the return of U.S. troops under the Biden administration.
https://www.kxnet.com/news/top-stories/the-us-is-presently-involved-in-15-shadow-wars-heres-where-and-why/

Rose42

You constantly use fallacies pete as you just did again. I used to point them out but you avoid facing it

straightUp Loc: California

I understand the principal. But as I said... In depth analysis for one man is mere verbosity for the fool who has already jumped to premature conclusions.

straightUp Loc: California

Your welcome... Of course you know that nothing I've said makes any difference to him or any of the Trump supporters. I mean, if they can refuse to accept the election results they can certainly refuse to accept any logic or evidence that I might present on OPP. Notice that right after I responded to BK, I got a few responses about being verbose - lol. That's because my rational response is meaningless to someone who is already committed to a conclusion.

Conservative culture, with its emphasis on faith, will always breed followers who latch on to identity politics and accept their side's narrative as if it were gospel. From that point it will always be a matter of defending that narrative. Liberal culture is where people learn to think for themselves and are willing to reconcile their narrative with what they learn. Liberal culture gives us the scientific method with the suggestion that we figure it out on our own. Conservative culture gives us the Holy Trinity telling us we aren't supposed to understand it, just accept it on faith. It's a fundamental difference between cultures. Those who think and those who follow.

So while I might be responding to people who follow and subscribe I am writing for the benefit of the people who think and learn because they would be the ones to actually read my responses and maybe get a chuckle out of the ridiculousness I expose.

straightUp Loc: California

I understand all that, but it was Hydro that said... "we had no wars" when Trump was in office. I was just telling him about the wars we are officially engaged in. If you want to fill him in on how we've been involved in 15 shadow wars the whole time Trump was in office, be my guest.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Into totalitarian land with the orange POS whose ass you guys kiss for the privilege of sending him money to pay his lawyers who are trying to get him off the hook yet one more time..

Let us simply hang the son of a bitch..

sorry I was gone all day, I did not miss you guys at all...

straightUp Loc: California

California didn't "shut down". I was still working, my wife was still working, we still went to the store... The difference that you are trying to make a mountain of is that California was a little more restrictive in their effort to retard the spread of the virus and it worked. Florida had twice as many deaths from Covid per capita than California did.

As for your absurd claim that Florida is doing better... That's a laugh. Even now, California's economy makes Florida look like a bake sale for an elementary school.


They are also coincidences. Neither Trump nor Biden had anything to do with rising prices. Are you going to credit Biden for every sunny day we get while he's in office? I would suggest you go to school to learn about economics.

straightUp Loc: California

LOL

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

That's not what you said. You said, "Many times, that verbosity is actually a rational argument that will appear to be excessive verbiage to readers who have already jumped to premature conclusions." So you equate verbosity with a rational argument.

IOW you're a verbose poster who writes 25 words when 10 will do just to show off how allegedly intelligent you are. I said it before and I'll say it again... you may have book smarts but you sure as hell aren't wise.

federally indicted mattoid

You got that right! Plenty of chuckles.

And you've gotten to the heart of the difference between the "sides."

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Why don't you quit your babbling and STFU already. All you do is parrot every thing from the left that you read.