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Apr 30, 2024 19:34:10   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
If you haven't been brainwashed, you understand.

Then you don't understand.

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Apr 30, 2024 20:25:51   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
PeterS wrote:
And what constitutional laws has Joe violated? Trump had 91 indictments and all were the result of Trump's actions and nothing that Biden did...


An indictment is an accusation. Nothing more. You can accuse anyone of anything and it means nothing.

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Apr 30, 2024 20:45:05   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
straightUp wrote:
I don't know if I want anything from the president of Kenya. But I'm pretty happy with what the pro-American, capitalist-supporting, Christian-practicing, Constitutional professor with a real birth certificate from Hawaii has given us. ;)


I believe this statement belongs to you.
"There was never an illegal server. Clinton was using a private server but it wasn't illegal. It wasn't even the first example. Colin Powell also used a private server. Since then, private servers have continued to be used, even Ivanka used a private server for official White House business.

The issue was whether or not the private server was used for transmitting confidential information but the investigators couldn't find any. Yes, Clinton deleted a lot of e-mail but so does everyone else. It's not illegal to delete your old e-mail messages.

Most of your drivel is a waste of time, but occasionally the prevarications are just too egregious.

In the end, none of the courts or any of the numerous investigations that Republicans spent millions of tax dollars on found anything illegal. They gave her a slap on the hand for not being more careful but that's it. There's no proof that she actually transmitted secrets."


I refer you to what James Comey, who, incidentally made several million dollars off his relationship with Hillary Clinton, actually said, rather than your typically arrogant dismissal, (sans proof as always) of any statement that disagrees with your presumed omnescience.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-comey-hillary-clinton-email/

You might also find what US law says about classified information.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

https://www.archives.gov/guidance/classified-info-guidance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States

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Apr 30, 2024 21:15:35   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
I believe this statement belongs to you.
"There was never an illegal server. Clinton was using a private server but it wasn't illegal. It wasn't even the first example. Colin Powell also used a private server. Since then, private servers have continued to be used, even Ivanka used a private server for official White House business.

The issue was whether or not the private server was used for transmitting confidential information but the investigators couldn't find any. Yes, Clinton deleted a lot of e-mail but so does everyone else. It's not illegal to delete your old e-mail messages.

Most of your drivel is a waste of time, but occasionally the prevarications are just too egregious.

In the end, none of the courts or any of the numerous investigations that Republicans spent millions of tax dollars on found anything illegal. They gave her a slap on the hand for not being more careful but that's it. There's no proof that she actually transmitted secrets."


I refer you to what James Comey, who, incidentally made several million dollars off his relationship with Hillary Clinton, actually said, rather than your typically arrogant dismissal, (sans proof as always) of any statement that disagrees with your presumed omnescience.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-comey-hillary-clinton-email/

You might also find what US law says about classified information.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

https://www.archives.gov/guidance/classified-info-guidance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States
I believe this statement belongs to you. br i &q... (show quote)




try and keep it simple stupid..... KISS.....

This is the nuts and bolts of the statement 11 days before the vote... No intent, No harm, No foul... no crime.. but it gave the election to that orange criminal.. we will pay for that disingenuous deed for decades or more..

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system#:~:text=Now%20let%20me%20tell%20you,very%20sensitive%2C%20highly%20cla

Now let me tell you what we found: Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.Jul 5, 2016

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the ...

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Apr 30, 2024 21:44:18   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
permafrost wrote:
Try and keep it simple stupid..... KISS.....

This is the nuts and bolts of the statement 11 days before the vote... No intent, No harm, No foul... no crime.. but it gave the election to that orange criminal.. we will pay for that disingenuous deed for decades or more..

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system#:~:text=Now%20let%20me%20tell%20you,very%20sensitive%2C%20highly%20cla

Now let me tell you what we found: Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. Jul 5, 2016

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the ...
Try and keep it simple stupid..... KISS..... br b... (show quote)


You are correct about the "nuts" part permafraud.
As are almost all of your liquor-assisted deranged posts.

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May 1, 2024 07:38:30   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
straightUp wrote:
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns for Biden supporters and the top two concerns for Trump supporters. The poll indicates that among strong Biden supporters, the top two issues are... Abortion and Uniting the Country.

Regardless of how you feel about abortion, the fact remains that this is a big concern for many. The second thing to note is that there is a very clear and feasible path for overriding the Supreme Court by passing a law through Congress that guarantees a woman's right to choose. Efforts are already underway to make this happen and Biden has resolved to support the effort.

Again... not arguing whether it's right or wrong, just pointing out that this change is within political reach. The plan already underway *IS* feasible, which is giving the Biden supporters a good reason to vote for him.

The second one, uniting the country, is something I would say is NOT within political reach. This may be a top concern for Biden supporters but whether or not Biden can actually do something about it, is in my opinion, doubtful. The divide is cultural and runs too deep. It may have metastasized into politics under Trump but he certainly didn't create it... Trump was leveraging the divide that was already there, which is something we've never seen a president do before. Trump was the first president to openly favor one half of the American people over the other half and I think avoiding another one-sided presidency is what drives this concern.

Moving over to the other side, the poll indicates that among Trump supporters, the top two issues are... Inflation and Competency.

Personally, I agree with the Trump supporters that inflation is the most pressing issue for most of us, but much like the cultural divide, I think inflation is something that no president can do much about. There are of course lot's of politically motivated theories and baseless accusations that push the narrative that Biden caused inflation, but an honest assessment of our post-pandemic economy, the free market and the banking system will tell us that inflation is being driven by forces that are almost entirely outside presidential control.

Finally, there is competency... a top concern for the first time ever. Perhaps this is because our choice in 2024 is between the two oldest presidential candidates in our history. But it's only a top concern for Trump supporters. Well, Biden *is* four years older, but for his supporters it's not a top concern. For them, Biden seems to have proven himself over the last three years to be fully competent with his decisions, despite his age, his geriatric walk and his stammering at the podium. Some of his supporters also know that he has assembled the youngest administration in history and that he actually listens to them.

On the Trump side, where the concern is elevated to the top notches, it's hard not to see it as a vindictive stab for the constant questioning of Trump's competency during his term. But there is also the fact that right-wing media obscures the very things that assures Biden supporters of their candidates competency, while honing in on his stammering and anything else that emphasizes his age.

I also want to point out that political moves rarely satisfy everyone. Any move a president makes will be strongly opposed by some and regardless of how competent the move might actually be, it's become normal for those in opposition to call it an incompetent move.

So what these four concerns tell us is that Biden supporters are more tuned into reality, with the only concern out of the four that can actually be affected by their supported candidate and the other concern being the only one out of the four that can be avoided by NOT voting for opposing candidate. The Trump supporters seem to be entirely driven by their dislike toward the opponent with one concern that neither of the candidates can fix (so why would it even be an election issue?) and one concern about the opposing candidates (competency) that strongly suggests the concern *should* be about the supporters themselves.
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns ... (show quote)


I love a good laugh in the morning with a cup of coffee

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May 1, 2024 09:36:29   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
microphor wrote:
I love a good laugh in the morning with a cup of coffee


I find this to be sick humor!

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May 1, 2024 10:18:02   #
martsiva
 
PeterS wrote:
If any action of Bidens was unconstitutional that's what the Supreme Court is for. And wanting something is not a violation of the Constitution. And yes, we have immigration laws. If you don't like brown people coming into our country maybe you could have asked your representatives to pass their own bill. Since they don't care about immigration why is Biden supposed to?


They DID pass their own bill - HR 2 which Schunmer refuses to bring to the floor! The Supreme Court made it clear that Biden student debt forgiveness is un-Constitutional but Biden wants to do it anyway!! Why do you lie so much when your lies are proven to be lies?

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May 1, 2024 10:28:07   #
martsiva
 
permafrost wrote:
Read carefully my dear... and you will soon love Joe...

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-data-show-migrants-were-more-likely-be-released-trump-biden

NOVEMBER 2, 2023 4:02PM
New Data Show Migrants Were More Likely to Be Released by Trump Than Biden

According to new data published last month, the Biden Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has removed a higher percentage of arrested border crossers in its first two years than the Trump DHS did over its last two years. Moreover, migrants were more likely to be released after a border arrest under President Trump than under President Biden.

In absolute terms, the Biden DHS is removing 3.5 times as many people per month as the Trump DHS did. These figures are important for understanding how each administration has carried out border enforcement.

During the Trump administration, DHS made 1.4 million arrests—what it calls “encounters”—in fiscal years 2019 and 2020 (24 months). Of those people arrested, only 47 percent were removed as of December 31, 2021, which includes people arrested by Trump and removed by Biden, and 52 percent were released into the United States.

Under Biden, DHS made over 5 million arrests in its first 26.3 months, and it removed nearly 2.6 million—51 percent—while releasing only 49 percent. In other words, the Trump DHS removed a minority of those arrested while the Biden DHS removed a majority. Biden managed to increase the removal share while also increasing the total removals by a factor of 3.5.
Read carefully my dear... and you will soon love J... (show quote)


BIDEN`S DHS?? SAY WHAT?? Oh please tell us just how Biden's 'border enforcement' is better than Trump`s!! Tell us just how Biden wanting to allow 5000 illegals into this country EVERY DAY is better than Trump`s border policies!!

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May 1, 2024 10:47:53   #
martsiva
 
permafrost wrote:
Oh Linda,, how can you say that,, You do not seem to know what a law is.. You think Paying off a few peoples college bills is a crime and that the attempt by the fat orange criminal to overturn our country government is not a crime.. such foolishness..


Biden`s student debt forgiveness IS a crime and un-Constitutional!! A 'few people`s college bills'?? According to sites like Reuters your 'few' is 804,000 to the tune of 6.1 BILLION dollars!! 'Over turn our government'?? 'Over turn' into what?

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May 1, 2024 11:07:43   #
Hydro
 
straightUp wrote:
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns for Biden supporters and the top two concerns for Trump supporters. The poll indicates that among strong Biden supporters, the top two issues are... Abortion and Uniting the Country.

Regardless of how you feel about abortion, the fact remains that this is a big concern for many. The second thing to note is that there is a very clear and feasible path for overriding the Supreme Court by passing a law through Congress that guarantees a woman's right to choose. Efforts are already underway to make this happen and Biden has resolved to support the effort.

Again... not arguing whether it's right or wrong, just pointing out that this change is within political reach. The plan already underway *IS* feasible, which is giving the Biden supporters a good reason to vote for him.

The second one, uniting the country, is something I would say is NOT within political reach. This may be a top concern for Biden supporters but whether or not Biden can actually do something about it, is in my opinion, doubtful. The divide is cultural and runs too deep. It may have metastasized into politics under Trump but he certainly didn't create it... Trump was leveraging the divide that was already there, which is something we've never seen a president do before. Trump was the first president to openly favor one half of the American people over the other half and I think avoiding another one-sided presidency is what drives this concern.

Moving over to the other side, the poll indicates that among Trump supporters, the top two issues are... Inflation and Competency.

Personally, I agree with the Trump supporters that inflation is the most pressing issue for most of us, but much like the cultural divide, I think inflation is something that no president can do much about. There are of course lot's of politically motivated theories and baseless accusations that push the narrative that Biden caused inflation, but an honest assessment of our post-pandemic economy, the free market and the banking system will tell us that inflation is being driven by forces that are almost entirely outside presidential control.

Finally, there is competency... a top concern for the first time ever. Perhaps this is because our choice in 2024 is between the two oldest presidential candidates in our history. But it's only a top concern for Trump supporters. Well, Biden *is* four years older, but for his supporters it's not a top concern. For them, Biden seems to have proven himself over the last three years to be fully competent with his decisions, despite his age, his geriatric walk and his stammering at the podium. Some of his supporters also know that he has assembled the youngest administration in history and that he actually listens to them.

On the Trump side, where the concern is elevated to the top notches, it's hard not to see it as a vindictive stab for the constant questioning of Trump's competency during his term. But there is also the fact that right-wing media obscures the very things that assures Biden supporters of their candidates competency, while honing in on his stammering and anything else that emphasizes his age.

I also want to point out that political moves rarely satisfy everyone. Any move a president makes will be strongly opposed by some and regardless of how competent the move might actually be, it's become normal for those in opposition to call it an incompetent move.

So what these four concerns tell us is that Biden supporters are more tuned into reality, with the only concern out of the four that can actually be affected by their supported candidate and the other concern being the only one out of the four that can be avoided by NOT voting for opposing candidate. The Trump supporters seem to be entirely driven by their dislike toward the opponent with one concern that neither of the candidates can fix (so why would it even be an election issue?) and one concern about the opposing candidates (competency) that strongly suggests the concern *should* be about the supporters themselves.
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns ... (show quote)


Evidently you missed the border issue - you also missed the states that didn’t close are doing well and the states that did shut down are still catching up - you also missed the fact that during Trumps presidency we as a country expierienced low interest rates, inflation at a low number with gas and groceries at low prices and we had no wars and a controlled border - now the only change made 3 plus years ago was the policies put in place by the folks that dictate to the current administration - you can’t blame the pandemic as the states that remained open went thru the same issues - the difference lyes in the dictates of a green energy focus that has failed miserably - you cannot defend the policies that were put in place that removed the ones that worked - as far as abortion goes it is a sin to murder per the Ten Commandments and no mater how you choose to cut the cheese eliminating anyone is murder that includes a baby that was conceived by not using preventative measures and the use of abortion as birth control whether one believes in God or not won’t change his judgements when we all face him and there is no appeals court - but I believe God gave all of us the right to choose and our choices will be what our final sentences will be based on

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May 1, 2024 11:13:09   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Hydro wrote:
Evidently you missed the border issue - you also missed the states that didn’t close are doing well and the states that did shut down are still catching up - you also missed the fact that during Trumps presidency we as a country expierienced low interest rates, inflation at a low number with gas and groceries at low prices and we had no wars and a controlled border - now the only change made 3 plus years ago was the policies put in place by the folks that dictate to the current administration - you can’t blame the pandemic as the states that remained open went thru the same issues - the difference lyes in the dictates of a green energy focus that has failed miserably - you cannot defend the policies that were put in place that removed the ones that worked - as far as abortion goes it is a sin to murder per the Ten Commandments and no mater how you choose to cut the cheese eliminating anyone is murder that includes a baby that was conceived by not using preventative measures and the use of abortion as birth control whether one believes in God or not won’t change his judgements when we all face him and there is no appeals court - but I believe God gave all of us the right to choose and our choices will be what our final sentences will be based on
Evidently you missed the border issue - you also m... (show quote)


Amen, great post.

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May 1, 2024 11:16:34   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
How are you going to handle Trump's reelection, straightUp?

It won't be a problem for me personally. I'm white and financially secure. In fact, I almost want to Trump to win just so people can see him screw America first hand.

One term is never enough to get the full picture of how bad a president really is. The the first two years is more influenced by the previous president which also means that for two years the next president gets blamed for the results of the current president. This is why presidential failures usually happen in the second term. Trump is the first president to be shitty enough to actually get impeached in his first (and only term) TWICE!

I also think that another Trump term could be the catalyst that finally launches a leftist revolution. Trump followers never notice this but during Trump's one term, groups like the DSA saw massive increases in membership.

During Trump's first term, we saw that his inability to work with Congress forced him to rely on his executive powers which is constitutionally limited to the policies of his administration. Trump will no doubt try to expand that power but doing so will cost him a lot of support as his attempts to create a tyranny will become more obvious.

A second term for Trump will make his real intentions more obvious and that might be what America needs to shake out of these delusions about him and the state of our union.

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May 1, 2024 11:26:11   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
It won't be a problem for me personally. I'm white and financially secure. In fact, I almost want to Trump to win just so people can see him screw America first hand.

One term is never enough to get the full picture of how bad a president really is. The the first two years is more influenced by the previous president which also means that for two years the next president gets blamed for the results of the current president. This is why presidential failures usually happen in the second term. Trump is the first president to be shitty enough to actually get impeached in his first (and only term) TWICE!

I also think that another Trump term could be the catalyst that finally launches a leftist revolution. Trump followers never notice this but during Trump's one term, groups like the DSA saw massive increases in membership.

During Trump's first term, we saw that his inability to work with Congress forced him to rely on his executive powers which is constitutionally limited to the policies of his administration. Trump will no doubt try to expand that power but doing so will cost him a lot of support as his attempts to create a tyranny will become more obvious.

A second term for Trump will make his real intentions more obvious and that might be what America needs to shake out of these delusions about him and the state of our union.
It won't be a problem for me personally. I'm white... (show quote)


With Biden in power; we can all see and experience regressive policies.
Some just don't care. It is just power they crave.

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May 1, 2024 11:39:21   #
Hydro
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
I believe this statement belongs to you.
"There was never an illegal server. Clinton was using a private server but it wasn't illegal. It wasn't even the first example. Colin Powell also used a private server. Since then, private servers have continued to be used, even Ivanka used a private server for official White House business.

The issue was whether or not the private server was used for transmitting confidential information but the investigators couldn't find any. Yes, Clinton deleted a lot of e-mail but so does everyone else. It's not illegal to delete your old e-mail messages.

Most of your drivel is a waste of time, but occasionally the prevarications are just too egregious.

In the end, none of the courts or any of the numerous investigations that Republicans spent millions of tax dollars on found anything illegal. They gave her a slap on the hand for not being more careful but that's it. There's no proof that she actually transmitted secrets."


I refer you to what James Comey, who, incidentally made several million dollars off his relationship with Hillary Clinton, actually said, rather than your typically arrogant dismissal, (sans proof as always) of any statement that disagrees with your presumed omnescience.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-comey-hillary-clinton-email/

You might also find what US law says about classified information.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

https://www.archives.gov/guidance/classified-info-guidance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States
I believe this statement belongs to you. br i &q... (show quote)


It was illegal to exchange anything pertaining to the office she held as those e-mails were to be on a protected server - Hilary knew this when she discussed government policies with Wieners wife who in turn made these e-mails privy to her husband - one more point - explain to all of us if it wasn’t illegal why Hilary bleached and used a hammer to destroy the hard drives - and her phones - won’t hold my breath for your answer

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