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Apr 28, 2024 13:36:46   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
[quote=straightUp]I'm not talking about the RATE of inflation... Look, you are responding to a conversation that started with me saying this.

[i]Biden may have bragged about decreasing inflation but he was talking about the rate of inflation, not the amount of inflation. We could go to an inflation rate of 0% and we would not feel any better because the dollar is still devalued compared to a year ago.


The Dollar is worth more today than it was a year ago.
A 4.252 cent increase in value.
04/27/2023 $101.252
04/27/2024 $105.804
https://www.barchart.com/futures/quotes/DXM24/interactive-chart

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Apr 28, 2024 13:42:55   #
LindaK
 
Parky60 wrote:
<< Biden seems to have proven himself over the last three years to be fully competent with his decisions, despite his age, his geriatric walk and his stammering at the podium. >>

You have got to be one of the most willfully blind people on the planet.
. No bias there.

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Apr 28, 2024 13:44:35   #
LindaK
 
Jim0001 wrote:
"Trump was the first president to openly favor one half of the American people over the other half and I think avoiding another one-sided presidency is what drives this concern."

does Obama's bitter clingers Hillary's insults and Biden's comments not count? Obama is the most divisive president in America's history. Saul Alinsky would be proud.
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Apr 28, 2024 13:53:56   #
LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
 
straightUp wrote:
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns for Biden supporters and the top two concerns for Trump supporters. The poll indicates that among strong Biden supporters, the top two issues are... Abortion and Uniting the Country.

Regardless of how you feel about abortion, the fact remains that this is a big concern for many. The second thing to note is that there is a very clear and feasible path for overriding the Supreme Court by passing a law through Congress that guarantees a woman's right to choose. Efforts are already underway to make this happen and Biden has resolved to support the effort.

Again... not arguing whether it's right or wrong, just pointing out that this change is within political reach. The plan already underway *IS* feasible, which is giving the Biden supporters a good reason to vote for him.

The second one, uniting the country, is something I would say is NOT within political reach. This may be a top concern for Biden supporters but whether or not Biden can actually do something about it, is in my opinion, doubtful. The divide is cultural and runs too deep. It may have metastasized into politics under Trump but he certainly didn't create it... Trump was leveraging the divide that was already there, which is something we've never seen a president do before. Trump was the first president to openly favor one half of the American people over the other half and I think avoiding another one-sided presidency is what drives this concern.

Moving over to the other side, the poll indicates that among Trump supporters, the top two issues are... Inflation and Competency.

Personally, I agree with the Trump supporters that inflation is the most pressing issue for most of us, but much like the cultural divide, I think inflation is something that no president can do much about. There are of course lot's of politically motivated theories and baseless accusations that push the narrative that Biden caused inflation, but an honest assessment of our post-pandemic economy, the free market and the banking system will tell us that inflation is being driven by forces that are almost entirely outside presidential control.

Finally, there is competency... a top concern for the first time ever. Perhaps this is because our choice in 2024 is between the two oldest presidential candidates in our history. But it's only a top concern for Trump supporters. Well, Biden *is* four years older, but for his supporters it's not a top concern. For them, Biden seems to have proven himself over the last three years to be fully competent with his decisions, despite his age, his geriatric walk and his stammering at the podium. Some of his supporters also know that he has assembled the youngest administration in history and that he actually listens to them.

On the Trump side, where the concern is elevated to the top notches, it's hard not to see it as a vindictive stab for the constant questioning of Trump's competency during his term. But there is also the fact that right-wing media obscures the very things that assures Biden supporters of their candidates competency, while honing in on his stammering and anything else that emphasizes his age.

I also want to point out that political moves rarely satisfy everyone. Any move a president makes will be strongly opposed by some and regardless of how competent the move might actually be, it's become normal for those in opposition to call it an incompetent move.

So what these four concerns tell us is that Biden supporters are more tuned into reality, with the only concern out of the four that can actually be affected by their supported candidate and the other concern being the only one out of the four that can be avoided by NOT voting for opposing candidate. The Trump supporters seem to be entirely driven by their dislike toward the opponent with one concern that neither of the candidates can fix (so why would it even be an election issue?) and one concern about the opposing candidates (competency) that strongly suggests the concern *should* be about the supporters themselves.
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns ... (show quote)


Good post straight up. You mad a lot of good points.

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Apr 28, 2024 14:03:31   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Big Kahuna wrote:
America has more black racists than White racists. Everything seemed to switch when Ovommit became Commander in Thief, a real community agitator.


Very true, got worse when he became president, and still bad.

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Apr 28, 2024 14:05:54   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
straightUp wrote:
And the average family of four under Trump made less money, adjusted for inflation than under Obama. In case you haven't noticed, this is a long standing trend.

And WTF do you expect the government to do about it anyway? Is the government in charge of our wages? Are we communists? The Democrats have tried to help with proposals like minimum wage, but the Republicans scream bloody murder whenever that happens. So again... it's a problem that Democrats are trying to figure out while the Republicans just sit on their assess complaining about how nothing the Democrats are doing is working.
And the average family of four under Trump made le... (show quote)


NBC polls are conducted by the left. Period. Almost any poll they conduct will show a bias toward that end.

As for drilling for oil, you should do your homework a little better. By that, I mean do it period rather than rely on what you consider your infallible opinion. Development of a site can take as little as 4 or 5 years, to actual drilling. It's like prospecting; the more land (or offshore) that you investigate the more likely you are to find a producing site. Kind of hard to do when Biden has reduced the amount of land leased to a fraction of what it was, and raised the price or royalties by 50%, plus raised minimum bids from $2 to $10/acre. The last time this small an amount of land was leased was at the end of WWII before there was even such a thing as offshore leases.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal-oil-leases-slow-to-a-trickle-under-biden-11662230816

As for your claim about adjusted incomes, you really, REALLY should do some research before you type nonsense, unless you just enjoy lying as a means of relaxation.

https://www.newsweek.com/americans-wealthier-under-donald-trump-census-finds-1689002

No wonder you never bother with sources.

Speaking of which, your horse puckey explanation of student loan forgiveness needs some work.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/personal-finance/who-pays-for-student-loan-forgiveness/

Like I said, no wonder you never bother with sources. Why should you when you have your own condescending and mostly incorrect opinions to rely on?

In the words of one of my favorite authors, if you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd be twice as smart as you really are.

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Apr 28, 2024 14:15:37   #
LindaK
 
proud republican wrote:
Second most divisive.... I believe biden by far most divisive pResident EVER!!!!!





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Apr 28, 2024 14:20:56   #
LindaK
 
straightUp wrote:
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns for Biden supporters and the top two concerns for Trump supporters. The poll indicates that among strong Biden supporters, the top two issues are... Abortion and Uniting the Country.

Regardless of how you feel about abortion, the fact remains that this is a big concern for many. The second thing to note is that there is a very clear and feasible path for overriding the Supreme Court by passing a law through Congress that guarantees a woman's right to choose. Efforts are already underway to make this happen and Biden has resolved to support the effort.

Again... not arguing whether it's right or wrong, just pointing out that this change is within political reach. The plan already underway *IS* feasible, which is giving the Biden supporters a good reason to vote for him.

The second one, uniting the country, is something I would say is NOT within political reach. This may be a top concern for Biden supporters but whether or not Biden can actually do something about it, is in my opinion, doubtful. The divide is cultural and runs too deep. It may have metastasized into politics under Trump but he certainly didn't create it... Trump was leveraging the divide that was already there, which is something we've never seen a president do before. Trump was the first president to openly favor one half of the American people over the other half and I think avoiding another one-sided presidency is what drives this concern.

Moving over to the other side, the poll indicates that among Trump supporters, the top two issues are... Inflation and Competency.

Personally, I agree with the Trump supporters that inflation is the most pressing issue for most of us, but much like the cultural divide, I think inflation is something that no president can do much about. There are of course lot's of politically motivated theories and baseless accusations that push the narrative that Biden caused inflation, but an honest assessment of our post-pandemic economy, the free market and the banking system will tell us that inflation is being driven by forces that are almost entirely outside presidential control.

Finally, there is competency... a top concern for the first time ever. Perhaps this is because our choice in 2024 is between the two oldest presidential candidates in our history. But it's only a top concern for Trump supporters. Well, Biden *is* four years older, but for his supporters it's not a top concern. For them, Biden seems to have proven himself over the last three years to be fully competent with his decisions, despite his age, his geriatric walk and his stammering at the podium. Some of his supporters also know that he has assembled the youngest administration in history and that he actually listens to them.

On the Trump side, where the concern is elevated to the top notches, it's hard not to see it as a vindictive stab for the constant questioning of Trump's competency during his term. But there is also the fact that right-wing media obscures the very things that assures Biden supporters of their candidates competency, while honing in on his stammering and anything else that emphasizes his age.

I also want to point out that political moves rarely satisfy everyone. Any move a president makes will be strongly opposed by some and regardless of how competent the move might actually be, it's become normal for those in opposition to call it an incompetent move.

So what these four concerns tell us is that Biden supporters are more tuned into reality, with the only concern out of the four that can actually be affected by their supported candidate and the other concern being the only one out of the four that can be avoided by NOT voting for opposing candidate. The Trump supporters seem to be entirely driven by their dislike toward the opponent with one concern that neither of the candidates can fix (so why would it even be an election issue?) and one concern about the opposing candidates (competency) that strongly suggests the concern *should* be about the supporters themselves.
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns ... (show quote)


The nbc poll takers didn’t mention Biden’s other huge problem issue. That being Biden’s open borders which matters a lot to those on Trumps side of the aisle. 10 million and counting will definitely
‘Fundamentally Transform’ America in a very negative and expensive manner.

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Apr 28, 2024 14:22:45   #
LindaK
 
Jim0001 wrote:
We are still experiencing Obama's presidency. This is his third term! Joebama is just the front man.



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Apr 28, 2024 14:24:57   #
LindaK
 
guzzimaestro wrote:
Correct. Bidumb couldn't do any of this in his own. The man can't read a teleprompter, can't answer questions, can't even complete a sentence coherently, has to be told where to stand, what to say and think. He's been lying about almost everything for 50 years. Meanwhile oblunder directs his minions behind the scenes to destroy our country. Ugh


Agree. Even the liberal NYTimes had an article on joe not answering questions put to him.

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Apr 28, 2024 14:26:10   #
LindaK
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
The most pressing issue for the most people is illegal immigration, with inflation running a very close second. You say there is not much a president can do about inflation. Printing too much money is a primary cause. Kneecapping your fossil fuel industry, which Biden did his first couple of weeks in office, is another way to really get that inflation ball rolling. Inflation averaged 1.25% under Trump. Biden boasted of "lowering" inflation to "only" 3.5% from a high of 9% brought on in large part by his insane energy policies. Something like 8 out of every 10 dollars currently in circulation has been printed since Biden took office.
The most pressing issue for the most people is ill... (show quote)



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Apr 28, 2024 14:33:11   #
LindaK
 
AuH20 wrote:
”abortion” ”The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined.”
James Madison, Federalist 45, 1788

Illégal immigration/legal immigration - Shutdown the border for a length of time.


Biden won’t shut down our borders. Not only has he been giving them ‘free incentives to violate our borderS’ but has plans to give them voting rights and amnesty, just as Obama granted his illegals amnesty during his administration.

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Apr 28, 2024 14:38:43   #
LindaK
 
straightUp wrote:
Any division that occurred under Obama was the result of racists reactions to the first black president. It would have been the same for ANY black president.
. Disagree. The Republicans ran a black man for our presidency. Obama’s race had nothing to do with Obama being elected, other than it’s always been all about race to the dem/socialists fall back false claims no matter the issue.

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Apr 28, 2024 14:44:01   #
LindaK
 
straightUp wrote:
I haven't seen this claim before but it sounds like another red herring. First of all, about 90% of the dollars in circulation are digital (not printed). So all of a sudden we're talking about 8 out of every 100 dollars. Secondly, the average lifespan of a dollar bill is 6.6 years, with other denominations being pretty close to the same. So now your point has pretty lost all it potency, as all the printed money in circulation typically gets swapped out within the span of one president (serving two terms) anyway.

Right-wing media is a treasure chest of these little zingers designed to fool people like you.
I haven't seen this claim before but it sounds lik... (show quote)



OMG. What a bunch of hogwash you spew.

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Apr 28, 2024 14:44:47   #
martsiva
 
straightUp wrote:
Show me. Prove it. Be a man.

The fact is, I have some serious issues with Biden. For instance, I strongly oppose his support for the Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people.

Don't assume that the support for Biden is a cult of personality like it is for Trump because it's not. We don't run around with Biden hats and Biden flags. We don't by tickets to Biden rallies. We will support him in the 2024 election because, all things considered, we think he's a better choice than Trump.
Show me. Prove it. Be a man. br br The fact is, I... (show quote)


So in other words you agree with Biden`s created and Democrat supported worst border crisis this country has ever seen! You agree with Democrat supported censorship of free speech! You agree with Democrat's attack on our 2nd amendment rights! You support Democrats putting America and Americans last behind illegals and a foreign nation! You agree with Democrat support of letting in 5000 illegals into this country EVERY DAY! You agree with giving amnesty to the unvetted millions that have crossed our border illegally! You have no problem with Biden letting an enemy spy balloon fly over our nuclear sites! The list goes on and on!! And THEN you say he`s a better choice??

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