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Apr 27, 2024 14:02:05   #
guzzimaestro
 
AuH20 wrote:
”abortion” ”The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined.”
James Madison, Federalist 45, 1788

Illégal immigration/legal immigration - Shutdown the border for a length of time.


Yeah. How about ten years

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Apr 27, 2024 14:03:14   #
AuH20
 
guzzimaestro wrote:
Yeah. How about ten years


That length may be a bit long.

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Apr 27, 2024 14:09:25   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
straightUp wrote:
Show me. Prove it. Be a man... all things considered, we think he's a better choice than Trump.

You just proved it yourself dumbass. And don't give me the BS that you just meant Trump.

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Apr 27, 2024 14:29:24   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
The most pressing issue for the most people is illegal immigration, with inflation running a very close second.

Not according to the NBC News poll, but I won't disagree with you. I think illegal immigration *is* a major concern for a lot of people.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

You say there is not much a president can do about inflation. Printing too much money is a primary cause.

That is ONE of many causes and the president has very little control over it. Here's why I say that... First of all, the Federal Reserve is the ONLY entity that CAN print money and they do that in response to people borrowing money. The president CAN borrow money through the treasury and we can track that with our national debt. But our national debt is actually much smaller than the sum of our corporate debts, which is itself smaller than the sum of our personal debts. So, even if a president stops borrowing money, there is still billions of dollars being printed so banks can loan money to the American people and their businesses.

The other thing I want to point out is that our treasury actually borrowed more money from the Federal Reserve under Trump than it did under Biden and while Biden's efforts to enforce taxes on the wealthy helped cover the bills without printing more money, Trump's massive tax cut on the wealthy left us with no choice but to borrow.

When you look at the whole picture it becomes more evident that if anything, Trump is more responsible for inflation than Biden is, but for those who don't have the depth of understanding, all they know is that effects coincide with Biden's term. It's like blaming the person you just sneezed on for getting you sick.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Kneecapping your fossil fuel industry, which Biden did his first couple of weeks in office, is another way to really get that inflation ball rolling.

Yeah, I've debunked this one a million times. Biden didn't kneecap fossil fuel. In fact production has increased under Biden to record-breaking levels. Here's what Biden did...

1. He promised that he would work toward a future without fossil fuel. (IMO, a good thing)
2. He took federal land off the market for future leases. (IMO, a good thing)

That's it. That's the extent of his so-called "inflation-causing attack on fossil fuel". Here's why it didn't have ANY impact on our current supply... NONE of the potential leases that were obstructed by taking federal land off the market would have reached production for another 10 years at least. It typically takes at least that long to develop a site between leasing a tract of land and turning on the spigot.

Gas prices went up because oil companies saw an opportunity to price gouge. It's that simple. Oil executives have even admitted this.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Inflation averaged 1.25% under Trump.

Only because of the pandemic that he had no control over. If you remove 2020 which was submerged in the economic shutdown, the average rate under Trump is 2.1% which is higher than the average for Obama's second term which was only 1.1%.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Biden boasted of "lowering" inflation to "only" 3.5% from a high of 9% brought on in large part by his insane energy policies.

One of the things I've noticed about you dweebs is that you never consider the fact that economic conditions don't change on a dime. In 2021 the average rate of inflation was 4.1%, the second highest rate so far this century and even though Biden took office in 2021, the budget for 2021 was signed by Trump not Biden. Clearly, inflation was already rampant before Biden had ANY influence. Biden's economic policies were implemented for the first time in 2022 and that's when inflation peaked and started to decline.

Even so, I still think the market's self-adjusting properties has more to do with the decline than Biden's policies. Unlike you, I'm not so loyal to a personality to where I have to cherry-pick the facts to support an immaculate image of my idol.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Something like 8 out of every 10 dollars currently in circulation has been printed since Biden took office.

I haven't seen this claim before but it sounds like another red herring. First of all, about 90% of the dollars in circulation are digital (not printed). So all of a sudden we're talking about 8 out of every 100 dollars. Secondly, the average lifespan of a dollar bill is 6.6 years, with other denominations being pretty close to the same. So now your point has pretty lost all it potency, as all the printed money in circulation typically gets swapped out within the span of one president (serving two terms) anyway.

Right-wing media is a treasure chest of these little zingers designed to fool people like you.

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Apr 27, 2024 14:38:36   #
pegw
 
straightUp wrote:
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns for Biden supporters and the top two concerns for Trump supporters. The poll indicates that among strong Biden supporters, the top two issues are... Abortion and Uniting the Country.

Regardless of how you feel about abortion, the fact remains that this is a big concern for many. The second thing to note is that there is a very clear and feasible path for overriding the Supreme Court by passing a law through Congress that guarantees a woman's right to choose. Efforts are already underway to make this happen and Biden has resolved to support the effort.

Again... not arguing whether it's right or wrong, just pointing out that this change is within political reach. The plan already underway *IS* feasible, which is giving the Biden supporters a good reason to vote for him.

The second one, uniting the country, is something I would say is NOT within political reach. This may be a top concern for Biden supporters but whether or not Biden can actually do something about it, is in my opinion, doubtful. The divide is cultural and runs too deep. It may have metastasized into politics under Trump but he certainly didn't create it... Trump was leveraging the divide that was already there, which is something we've never seen a president do before. Trump was the first president to openly favor one half of the American people over the other half and I think avoiding another one-sided presidency is what drives this concern.

Moving over to the other side, the poll indicates that among Trump supporters, the top two issues are... Inflation and Competency.

Personally, I agree with the Trump supporters that inflation is the most pressing issue for most of us, but much like the cultural divide, I think inflation is something that no president can do much about. There are of course lot's of politically motivated theories and baseless accusations that push the narrative that Biden caused inflation, but an honest assessment of our post-pandemic economy, the free market and the banking system will tell us that inflation is being driven by forces that are almost entirely outside presidential control.

Finally, there is competency... a top concern for the first time ever. Perhaps this is because our choice in 2024 is between the two oldest presidential candidates in our history. But it's only a top concern for Trump supporters. Well, Biden *is* four years older, but for his supporters it's not a top concern. For them, Biden seems to have proven himself over the last three years to be fully competent with his decisions, despite his age, his geriatric walk and his stammering at the podium. Some of his supporters also know that he has assembled the youngest administration in history and that he actually listens to them.

On the Trump side, where the concern is elevated to the top notches, it's hard not to see it as a vindictive stab for the constant questioning of Trump's competency during his term. But there is also the fact that right-wing media obscures the very things that assures Biden supporters of their candidates competency, while honing in on his stammering and anything else that emphasizes his age.

I also want to point out that political moves rarely satisfy everyone. Any move a president makes will be strongly opposed by some and regardless of how competent the move might actually be, it's become normal for those in opposition to call it an incompetent move.

So what these four concerns tell us is that Biden supporters are more tuned into reality, with the only concern out of the four that can actually be affected by their supported candidate and the other concern being the only one out of the four that can be avoided by NOT voting for opposing candidate. The Trump supporters seem to be entirely driven by their dislike toward the opponent with one concern that neither of the candidates can fix (so why would it even be an election issue?) and one concern about the opposing candidates (competency) that strongly suggests the concern *should* be about the supporters themselves.
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns ... (show quote)


A nicely thought out post.

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Apr 27, 2024 14:40:22   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
pegw wrote:
A nicely thought out post.

Thanks.

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Apr 27, 2024 14:46:32   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Parky60 wrote:
You just proved it yourself dumbass. And don't give me the BS that you just meant Trump.

Barky: You've alluded to before that Biden is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

StraightUp: Show me. Prove it. Be a man. The fact is, I have some serious issues with Biden. For instance, I strongly oppose his support for the Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people.

Barky: You just proved it yourself dumbass. And don't give me the BS that you just meant Trump.

LOL - You're so lost in your anger. I almost feel sorry for you.

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Apr 27, 2024 15:20:33   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
straightUp wrote:
Barky: You've alluded to before that Biden is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

StraightUp: Show me. Prove it. Be a man. The fact is, I have some serious issues with Biden. For instance, I strongly oppose his support for the Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people.

Barky: You just proved it yourself dumbass. And don't give me the BS that you just meant Trump.

LOL - You're so lost in your anger. I almost feel sorry for you.

You're so lost in your arrogance and stupidity, I feel pity for you.

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Apr 27, 2024 16:06:13   #
MidnightRider
 
straightUp wrote:
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns for Biden supporters and the top two concerns for Trump supporters. The poll indicates that among strong Biden supporters, the top two issues are... Abortion and Uniting the Country.

Regardless of how you feel about abortion, the fact remains that this is a big concern for many. The second thing to note is that there is a very clear and feasible path for overriding the Supreme Court by passing a law through Congress that guarantees a woman's right to choose. Efforts are already underway to make this happen and Biden has resolved to support the effort.

Again... not arguing whether it's right or wrong, just pointing out that this change is within political reach. The plan already underway *IS* feasible, which is giving the Biden supporters a good reason to vote for him.

The second one, uniting the country, is something I would say is NOT within political reach. This may be a top concern for Biden supporters but whether or not Biden can actually do something about it, is in my opinion, doubtful. The divide is cultural and runs too deep. It may have metastasized into politics under Trump but he certainly didn't create it... Trump was leveraging the divide that was already there, which is something we've never seen a president do before. Trump was the first president to openly favor one half of the American people over the other half and I think avoiding another one-sided presidency is what drives this concern.

Moving over to the other side, the poll indicates that among Trump supporters, the top two issues are... Inflation and Competency.

Personally, I agree with the Trump supporters that inflation is the most pressing issue for most of us, but much like the cultural divide, I think inflation is something that no president can do much about. There are of course lot's of politically motivated theories and baseless accusations that push the narrative that Biden caused inflation, but an honest assessment of our post-pandemic economy, the free market and the banking system will tell us that inflation is being driven by forces that are almost entirely outside presidential control.

Finally, there is competency... a top concern for the first time ever. Perhaps this is because our choice in 2024 is between the two oldest presidential candidates in our history. But it's only a top concern for Trump supporters. Well, Biden *is* four years older, but for his supporters it's not a top concern. For them, Biden seems to have proven himself over the last three years to be fully competent with his decisions, despite his age, his geriatric walk and his stammering at the podium. Some of his supporters also know that he has assembled the youngest administration in history and that he actually listens to them.

On the Trump side, where the concern is elevated to the top notches, it's hard not to see it as a vindictive stab for the constant questioning of Trump's competency during his term. But there is also the fact that right-wing media obscures the very things that assures Biden supporters of their candidates competency, while honing in on his stammering and anything else that emphasizes his age.

I also want to point out that political moves rarely satisfy everyone. Any move a president makes will be strongly opposed by some and regardless of how competent the move might actually be, it's become normal for those in opposition to call it an incompetent move.

So what these four concerns tell us is that Biden supporters are more tuned into reality, with the only concern out of the four that can actually be affected by their supported candidate and the other concern being the only one out of the four that can be avoided by NOT voting for opposing candidate. The Trump supporters seem to be entirely driven by their dislike toward the opponent with one concern that neither of the candidates can fix (so why would it even be an election issue?) and one concern about the opposing candidates (competency) that strongly suggests the concern *should* be about the supporters themselves.
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns ... (show quote)


MM. No, top in my mind is what many call "immigration." My answer, mine all the fields that the INVADERS have to cross. Will they use human shields? The ruthless cartels? Of course, that's the spoils of war. And make no mistake it is a war. Some will still get by so stock the waters with piranhas and crocodiles. Build walls they do SLOW them.

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Apr 27, 2024 16:17:42   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Printing too much money is a primary cause.

Just curious...

Since printing too much much money is a primary cause of inflation and fractional reserve banking insures that we only print (or add) money that is being loaned, how do you suppose we reverse it?

There is only one way. By cancelling debt. For every dollar of cancelled debt, there is one less dollar in the economy.

Biden may have bragged about decreasing inflation but he was talking about the rate of inflation, not the amount of inflation. We could go to an inflation rate of 0% and we would not feel any better because the dollar is still devalued compared to a year ago... because there is still THAT many dollars in the economy. The ONLY way to bring the number of dollars back down and actually deflate, is to cancel debt.

Have the Republicans thought of this? I'm sure some of them have but they never bring it up. Has Biden? Oh. Apparently he has. He's targeting student debt. Sure, let's see how it goes. And boy, did we hear Republicans shrieking!

Well? WTF do you want to then?

All we EVER hear from Republicans is how the Democrats keep failing at this or that... Well, why don't YOU try? For once... Let's see if ANY Republican can provide a plan for deflation. Get us back to where we can buy a week of groceries for less than a week of pay.

All ears.

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Apr 27, 2024 17:06:48   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
straightUp wrote:
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns for Biden supporters and the top two concerns for Trump supporters. The poll indicates that among strong Biden supporters, the top two issues are... Abortion and Uniting the Country.

Regardless of how you feel about abortion, the fact remains that this is a big concern for many. The second thing to note is that there is a very clear and feasible path for overriding the Supreme Court by passing a law through Congress that guarantees a woman's right to choose. Efforts are already underway to make this happen and Biden has resolved to support the effort.

Again... not arguing whether it's right or wrong, just pointing out that this change is within political reach. The plan already underway *IS* feasible, which is giving the Biden supporters a good reason to vote for him.

The second one, uniting the country, is something I would say is NOT within political reach. This may be a top concern for Biden supporters but whether or not Biden can actually do something about it, is in my opinion, doubtful. The divide is cultural and runs too deep. It may have metastasized into politics under Trump but he certainly didn't create it... Trump was leveraging the divide that was already there, which is something we've never seen a president do before. Trump was the first president to openly favor one half of the American people over the other half and I think avoiding another one-sided presidency is what drives this concern.

Moving over to the other side, the poll indicates that among Trump supporters, the top two issues are... Inflation and Competency.

Personally, I agree with the Trump supporters that inflation is the most pressing issue for most of us, but much like the cultural divide, I think inflation is something that no president can do much about. There are of course lot's of politically motivated theories and baseless accusations that push the narrative that Biden caused inflation, but an honest assessment of our post-pandemic economy, the free market and the banking system will tell us that inflation is being driven by forces that are almost entirely outside presidential control.

Finally, there is competency... a top concern for the first time ever. Perhaps this is because our choice in 2024 is between the two oldest presidential candidates in our history. But it's only a top concern for Trump supporters. Well, Biden *is* four years older, but for his supporters it's not a top concern. For them, Biden seems to have proven himself over the last three years to be fully competent with his decisions, despite his age, his geriatric walk and his stammering at the podium. Some of his supporters also know that he has assembled the youngest administration in history and that he actually listens to them.

On the Trump side, where the concern is elevated to the top notches, it's hard not to see it as a vindictive stab for the constant questioning of Trump's competency during his term. But there is also the fact that right-wing media obscures the very things that assures Biden supporters of their candidates competency, while honing in on his stammering and anything else that emphasizes his age.

I also want to point out that political moves rarely satisfy everyone. Any move a president makes will be strongly opposed by some and regardless of how competent the move might actually be, it's become normal for those in opposition to call it an incompetent move.

So what these four concerns tell us is that Biden supporters are more tuned into reality, with the only concern out of the four that can actually be affected by their supported candidate and the other concern being the only one out of the four that can be avoided by NOT voting for opposing candidate. The Trump supporters seem to be entirely driven by their dislike toward the opponent with one concern that neither of the candidates can fix (so why would it even be an election issue?) and one concern about the opposing candidates (competency) that strongly suggests the concern *should* be about the supporters themselves.
A recent NBC News Poll lists the top two concerns ... (show quote)


***what these four concerns tell us
>>>That you don't know what the hell you are talking about and are as biased as possible for the side leading us towards Communism and trying to take away our Freedom.

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Apr 27, 2024 17:11:46   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Biden is one of a very large National party !
Trump is one of of his own small maga party !
Hardly national . With pocket factions mostly in
Red Socialist States.


And ewe are a party of one with no one who can rationally support your weird comments.

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Apr 27, 2024 17:15:18   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
pegw wrote:
A nicely thought out post.


Well, Straight False, you have the dimwits supporting you.

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Apr 27, 2024 17:41:06   #
Justice101
 
straightUp wrote:
Just curious...

Since printing too much much money is a primary cause of inflation and fractional reserve banking insures that we only print (or add) money that is being loaned, how do you suppose we reverse it?

There is only one way. By cancelling debt. For every dollar of cancelled debt, there is one less dollar in the economy.

Biden may have bragged about decreasing inflation but he was talking about the rate of inflation, not the amount of inflation. We could go to an inflation rate of 0% and we would not feel any better because the dollar is still devalued compared to a year ago... because there is still THAT many dollars in the economy. The ONLY way to bring the number of dollars back down and actually deflate, is to cancel debt.

Have the Republicans thought of this? I'm sure some of them have but they never bring it up. Has Biden? Oh. Apparently he has. He's targeting student debt. Sure, let's see how it goes. And boy, did we hear Republicans shrieking!

Well? WTF do you want to then?

All we EVER hear from Republicans is how the Democrats keep failing at this or that... Well, why don't YOU try? For once... Let's see if ANY Republican can provide a plan for deflation. Get us back to where we can buy a week of groceries for less than a week of pay.

All ears.
Just curious... br br Since printing too much mu... (show quote)


Here are some ways that we can increase our revenue, cut spending and avoid unnecessary taxes.

1) Declare all of the Mexican cartels as terrorist organizations, freeze their bank accounts and seize their assets.

2) Cut spending. Abolish superfluous personnel positions within the agencies of our bloated government and be more selective on issuing grants.
Some of the scientific studies are ridiculous as some of the crazy things that the government spends money on.
Where is the GAO on this unnecessary waste of taxpayer money? US funded Gain of Function experiments in Wuhan China. https://www.ntd.com/whats-behind-us-funded-virus-research-at-wuhan-lab-analyst_988163.html

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force/

https://listverse.com/2019/01/18/10-ridiculously-elaborate-scientific-studies-no-one-asked-for/

https://moneyminiblog.com/lists/stupidest-things-u-s-government-spends-money-on/

3) US sends foreign aid around the world. Cut spending to countries who are pocketing the aid instead of using it to help their citizens. Don't send aid to our adversaries.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-foreign-aid-by-country

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Apr 27, 2024 18:38:08   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
straightUp wrote:
I'm not so blind that I can't see how you lopped off the first part of my sentence that said: "For them, Biden seems to have proven himself over the last three years to be fully competent with his decisions..."

That changes the context. So, I'm not sure if you're trying to be crafty or if you're just too retarded to even notice.


Fully competent, Biden cannot complete a coherent sentence or walk ten feet without assistance.

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