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Apr 17, 2024 13:23:27   #
Big dog
 
permafrost wrote:
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and one step at a time.. and make it better..



The Biden administration’s final rule for LED bulbs, announced Friday, more than doubles the energy efficiency requirements for the bulbs, taking them from 45 lumens (the unit of measurement for brightness) per watt to over 120 lumens. The Energy Department has projected the rule will result in about $27 billion in total savings and prevent the release of 70 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions over a thirty-year period.



“LED lightbulbs, which are now the norm, will get more energy efficient and therefore use less electricity,” Andrew deLaski, executive director at the Appliance Standards Awareness Project, told The Hill in an interview.



Specifically, he said, Americans will save about a dollar per bulb under normal usage conditions, which comes out to a $50 annual savings in a typical household with about two dozen lightbulbs.



“It takes some time, and the reason it takes some time is LED lightbulbs last a long time,” he added. In many cases, he said, LED bulbs can last as long as 10 years before burning out, compared to the now phased-out incandescent bulbs, which typically lasted no more than a year.



“Small savings add up, is the moral of the story,” he said.



Read more at TheHill.com.
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and ... (show quote)


This is horrible news! It means my little “Easy Bake Oven” won’t work anymore !!
How, oh HOW am I ever going to bake my cake?????

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Apr 17, 2024 13:34:34   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
permafrost wrote:
AuntiE... I can see how you would be unhappy with the change.. I have never had any problem with LED bulb.. Cfls are very iffy in below zero winter temps.. but will work in due time.. I have no idea why the fuse would blow with LED... the wattage is not any higher.. my house was wired in the 60s and hit by a lightning bolt around 1980.. the bolt caused some strange actions for quite some time, but eventually returned to normal, with some work by a good electrician..


Rewiring the house is not feasible at this time hence stockpiling bulbs.

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As for notice,, I only knew about it ac of the newsletter our Electric coop sends with the bill each month.. one of those "I know it, so must the whole country"... Old news, on schedule for several years..


I saw it as a news blurb about a week before it was official. By then we had already had our LED experience.

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I do think the old bulbs should be available for those who have some sort of problem.. that would include you..

But overall, I am greatley pleased at the action.. for me and most people it is a win win..


The only place to find the old bulbs or fluorescent bulbs is online. No retailer is selling them as they may be fined.

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It is little by little , our war with the CC will be successful...


One wonders why CC cult members feel the US should suffer while a multitude of other countries are allowed to not do anything. It will interesting to see when one of the dire predictions happens. So far it is 0 for 0.

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Just to mention.. when I got your PMs,, I could not reply as I am on your blocked list.. that is OK, but I can locate the Iran oil info you sent.. home all day with a drizzle rain so maybe today I can figure it out.. and I recall it was very complete.. so maybe I will think of a reply..

Have a nice one and stay in the light..



I have no idea about how you could be in my blocked list. That is a massive mistake I will check on and rectify!

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Apr 17, 2024 15:08:55   #
pegw
 
[quote=AuntiE]I brought the issue up, as a thread, when the announcement of the upcoming date was made. Two kindly people provided me with links to order bulbs. Currently, I have a case of 100 watt, a case of 60 watt, and a case of 3 way fluorescent bulbs. I still need some 25 watt for these two very odd lamps we have and use as lighting for halls. As previous fluorescent bulbs have lasted five or more years, we are all set. It was a site member who said my house age may require rewiring to handle the issue. Three other neighbors have issues, and yes, rewiring may be our only option.

Yes, Joey and Granholm can sit on their led bulbs and serious injury to their hind parts would not disturb me!

Here is an interesting part. I, actually, attempted to contact the EPA about possible subsidies. I reached the main switchboard, told the young lady the department I needed. She told me she did not have that. I asked if she had a main directory. Her answer was no. I literally said; [i]”Let me understand.You are a Federal employee of the EPA and cannot connect me to the requested area.”[i] Her response was ”I just answer the phone”. Obviously, another federal employee welfare case.

I do not think it was an EO.[/quote]

As for the LED's tripping off the switches in your house, it sounds like you have a big problem with the electrical situation in your house. About 5 or more years ago I had an energy audit in our house and got most of the light bulbs changed to LED's. Not a single LED has blown out since then.

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Apr 17, 2024 15:32:12   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
pegw wrote:
As for the LED's tripping off the switches in your house, it sounds like you have a big problem with the electrical situation in your house. About 5 or more years ago I had an energy audit in our house and got most of the light bulbs changed to LED's. Not a single LED has blown out since then.


I have clearly written our house is 73 years old. It has the original wiring. If you would like to pay to rewire it, I can buy LED bulbs to make CC cultist happy.

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Apr 17, 2024 17:12:49   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
AuntiE wrote:
I have clearly written our house is 73 years old. It has the original wiring. If you would like to pay to rewire it, I can buy LED bulbs to make CC cultist happy.


Right now, I would be more concerned about safety than energy. Tell me you at least have circuit breakers and that the plugs are grounded? Though I suppose at 73... Maybe not. 🥺

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Apr 17, 2024 17:29:02   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Right now, I would be more concerned about safety than energy. Tell me you at least have circuit breakers and that the plugs are grounded? Though I suppose at 73... Maybe not. 🥺


Are your eyes open this afternoon or are you doing your zombie thing? I was thinking of you earlier and wondering.

We have grounded circuit breakers. UncleE had (still living just no longer cognizant) an electrician friend do the circuit breaker work.

Initially we hoped it was just a short in the chandelier; however, when we put one in a much much newer lamp and it happened again, we decided wiring age.

On another note, I absolutely abhor the idea of giving up copper wiring! I sobbed when we could no longer obtain slate and our slate roof gentleman retired. Now, we have one of those “modern” roofs that will not last anywhere as long as the slate did.

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Apr 17, 2024 17:30:19   #
dbirch
 
permafrost wrote:
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and one step at a time.. and make it better..



The Biden administration’s final rule for LED bulbs, announced Friday, more than doubles the energy efficiency requirements for the bulbs, taking them from 45 lumens (the unit of measurement for brightness) per watt to over 120 lumens. The Energy Department has projected the rule will result in about $27 billion in total savings and prevent the release of 70 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions over a thirty-year period.



“LED lightbulbs, which are now the norm, will get more energy efficient and therefore use less electricity,” Andrew deLaski, executive director at the Appliance Standards Awareness Project, told The Hill in an interview.



Specifically, he said, Americans will save about a dollar per bulb under normal usage conditions, which comes out to a $50 annual savings in a typical household with about two dozen lightbulbs.



“It takes some time, and the reason it takes some time is LED lightbulbs last a long time,” he added. In many cases, he said, LED bulbs can last as long as 10 years before burning out, compared to the now phased-out incandescent bulbs, which typically lasted no more than a year.



“Small savings add up, is the moral of the story,” he said.



Read more at TheHill.com.
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and ... (show quote)


and I hate them and their inconstant working.

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Apr 17, 2024 19:19:23   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
dbirch wrote:
and I hate them and their inconstant working.


I must have gotten the luck of the draw.... my LEDs have never given any sort of trouble at all, the house wiring was done in the 60s and not perfect but is doing the job..

the ones used for a number years, the bulbs with the coil of glass are slow to work when it is very cold but they were also OK with our wiring... I can not see any inconstant working on the LEDs.

One thing that I will whine about is the different size of the bases on some bulbs. We have an outdoor motion activated light which will not use standard bulbs and not one but two ceiling fans which also need special size bulb bases... Yes, I did buy them at the same place, same time.. so finding the correct size base on the bulbs is an irritation no one should have to put up with..

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Apr 17, 2024 19:23:13   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
permafrost wrote:
I must have gotten the luck of the draw.... my LEDs have never given any sort of trouble at all, the house wiring was done in the 60s and not perfect but is doing the job..

the ones used for a number years, the bulbs with the coil of glass are slow to work when it is very cold but they were also OK with our wiring... I can not see any inconstant working on the LEDs.

One thing that I will whine about is the different size of the bases on some bulbs. We have an outdoor motion activated light which will not use standard bulbs and not one but two ceiling fans which also need special size bulb bases... Yes, I did buy them at the same place, same time.. so finding the correct size base on the bulbs is an irritation no one should have to put up with..
I must have gotten the luck of the draw.... my LED... (show quote)


My house was built in 1943.

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Apr 17, 2024 19:42:46   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
AuntiE wrote:
My house was built in 1943.


LOL,, in some areas, that makes it a new house... Mine was built in 1909 or 1911.. never can remember it for sure..

so It has a few strange features.. while the wiring is OK seemingly, the exterior walls were filled with lath and plaster so never have gotten all the insulation done... but the north side did manage.. also each downstairs room has a small alcove, a/c the ceiling jousts can not support the full length of the upstairs.. so a bearing wall had to be added.. and an extra narrow stairway, which I removed along with another chimney for the area which was separate and for the hired girl? And the rooms are 9 feet plus high which made the work on the walls so much more fun...

But I am so accustomed to it, I no longer look to build a new house on the best spot on the ridge.. while we did get plans drawn,, gave it up a number of years ago as we still had the grandkids living with us..

But it has been a fun ride...

Now that you mention it.. 1943 was a year in which few houses got built.. So you have a special house with few equals..

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Apr 17, 2024 19:53:35   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
permafrost wrote:
LOL,, in some areas, that makes it a new house... Mine was built in 1909 or 1911.. never can remember it for sure..

so It has a few strange features.. while the wiring is OK seemingly, the exterior walls were filled with lath and plaster so never have gotten all the insulation done... but the north side did manage.. also each downstairs room has a small alcove, a/c the ceiling jousts can not support the full length of the upstairs.. so a bearing wall had to be added.. and an extra narrow stairway, which I removed along with another chimney for the area which was separate and for the hired girl? And the rooms are 9 feet plus high which made the work on the walls so much more fun...

But I am so accustomed to it, I no longer look to build a new house on the best spot on the ridge.. while we did get plans drawn,, gave it up a number of years ago as we still had the grandkids living with us..

But it has been a fun ride...

Now that you mention it.. 1943 was a year in which few houses got built.. So you have a special house with few equals..
LOL,, in some areas, that makes it a new house... ... (show quote)


We are only the third owners. The prior owners handled insulating the walls. I have cooper wiring and piping. Until five years ago, we had a slate roof. Our slates were an odd size and no longer available. I am now stuck with a “modern roof” We are all brick, nice oak hard wood floors and plaster walls. We have an attic fan that would rip the drapes down if I did not tie them back. We use it all spring and fall. Bbbuuuuttt, Mrs.PM would be envious if she went in my attic. The previous owner built a triple size cedar closet. All our woolies, comforters, etc. go up there next month.

50% of our block is 1943 homes.

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Apr 17, 2024 20:07:18   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
AuntiE wrote:
We are only the third owners. The prior owners handled insulating the walls. I have cooper wiring and piping. Until five years ago, we had a slate roof. Our slates were an odd size and no longer available. I am now stuck with a “modern roof” We are all brick, nice oak hard wood floors and plaster walls. We have an attic fan that would rip the drapes down if I did not tie them back. We use it all spring and fall. Bbbuuuuttt, Mrs.PM would be envious if she went in my attic. The previous owner built a triple size cedar closet. All our woolies, comforters, etc. go up there next month.

50% of our block is 1943 homes.
We are only the third owners. The prior owners han... (show quote)


Very nice sounding home.. and yes,, my darling supervisor would love the attic closet.. this house has roof line which makes the attic little more than a suggestion... and no floor at all..

Gee, that 43 construction has to be near unige... In MPLs, they had lots of post war building but almost nothing during the war years..

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Apr 17, 2024 20:14:49   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
permafrost wrote:
Very nice sounding home.. and yes,, my darling supervisor would love the attic closet.. this house has roof line which makes the attic little more than a suggestion... and no floor at all..

Gee, that 43 construction has to be near unige... In MPLs, they had lots of post war building but almost nothing during the war years..


I am in the DMV (District, Maryland, Virginia). There are a multitude of homes similar to mine. They were probably built for the influx of people during the war.

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Apr 17, 2024 20:15:00   #
Knightlady
 
permafrost wrote:
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and one step at a time.. and make it better..



The Biden administration’s final rule for LED bulbs, announced Friday, more than doubles the energy efficiency requirements for the bulbs, taking them from 45 lumens (the unit of measurement for brightness) per watt to over 120 lumens. The Energy Department has projected the rule will result in about $27 billion in total savings and prevent the release of 70 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions over a thirty-year period.



“LED lightbulbs, which are now the norm, will get more energy efficient and therefore use less electricity,” Andrew deLaski, executive director at the Appliance Standards Awareness Project, told The Hill in an interview.



Specifically, he said, Americans will save about a dollar per bulb under normal usage conditions, which comes out to a $50 annual savings in a typical household with about two dozen lightbulbs.



“It takes some time, and the reason it takes some time is LED lightbulbs last a long time,” he added. In many cases, he said, LED bulbs can last as long as 10 years before burning out, compared to the now phased-out incandescent bulbs, which typically lasted no more than a year.



“Small savings add up, is the moral of the story,” he said.



Read more at TheHill.com.
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and ... (show quote)


I use them for all the above reason and they're just better. I think most agree since they came out. Even if they're more
Besides, it's getting tough to find a regular light bulb.
It just doesn't need a damn rule on them to keep adding to the stupid list

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Apr 17, 2024 20:16:14   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Knightlady wrote:
I use them for all the above reason and they're just better. I think most agree since they came out. Even if they're more
Besides, it's getting tough to find a regular light bulb.
It just doesn't need a damn rule on them to keep adding to the stupid list

It just


I have websites for real light bulbs.

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