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Apr 16, 2024 20:20:24   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and one step at a time.. and make it better..



The Biden administration’s final rule for LED bulbs, announced Friday, more than doubles the energy efficiency requirements for the bulbs, taking them from 45 lumens (the unit of measurement for brightness) per watt to over 120 lumens. The Energy Department has projected the rule will result in about $27 billion in total savings and prevent the release of 70 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions over a thirty-year period.



“LED lightbulbs, which are now the norm, will get more energy efficient and therefore use less electricity,” Andrew deLaski, executive director at the Appliance Standards Awareness Project, told The Hill in an interview.



Specifically, he said, Americans will save about a dollar per bulb under normal usage conditions, which comes out to a $50 annual savings in a typical household with about two dozen lightbulbs.



“It takes some time, and the reason it takes some time is LED lightbulbs last a long time,” he added. In many cases, he said, LED bulbs can last as long as 10 years before burning out, compared to the now phased-out incandescent bulbs, which typically lasted no more than a year.



“Small savings add up, is the moral of the story,” he said.



Read more at TheHill.com.

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Apr 16, 2024 20:26:17   #
Liberty Tree
 
permafrost wrote:
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and one step at a time.. and make it better..



The Biden administration’s final rule for LED bulbs, announced Friday, more than doubles the energy efficiency requirements for the bulbs, taking them from 45 lumens (the unit of measurement for brightness) per watt to over 120 lumens. The Energy Department has projected the rule will result in about $27 billion in total savings and prevent the release of 70 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions over a thirty-year period.



“LED lightbulbs, which are now the norm, will get more energy efficient and therefore use less electricity,” Andrew deLaski, executive director at the Appliance Standards Awareness Project, told The Hill in an interview.



Specifically, he said, Americans will save about a dollar per bulb under normal usage conditions, which comes out to a $50 annual savings in a typical household with about two dozen lightbulbs.



“It takes some time, and the reason it takes some time is LED lightbulbs last a long time,” he added. In many cases, he said, LED bulbs can last as long as 10 years before burning out, compared to the now phased-out incandescent bulbs, which typically lasted no more than a year.



“Small savings add up, is the moral of the story,” he said.



Read more at TheHill.com.
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and ... (show quote)


How many struggling to meet their families basic needs care about this?

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Apr 16, 2024 20:32:00   #
liberalhunter Loc: Your mom's house
 
permafrost wrote:
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and one step at a time.. and make it better..



The Biden administration’s final rule for LED bulbs, announced Friday, more than doubles the energy efficiency requirements for the bulbs, taking them from 45 lumens (the unit of measurement for brightness) per watt to over 120 lumens. The Energy Department has projected the rule will result in about $27 billion in total savings and prevent the release of 70 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions over a thirty-year period.



“LED lightbulbs, which are now the norm, will get more energy efficient and therefore use less electricity,” Andrew deLaski, executive director at the Appliance Standards Awareness Project, told The Hill in an interview.



Specifically, he said, Americans will save about a dollar per bulb under normal usage conditions, which comes out to a $50 annual savings in a typical household with about two dozen lightbulbs.



“It takes some time, and the reason it takes some time is LED lightbulbs last a long time,” he added. In many cases, he said, LED bulbs can last as long as 10 years before burning out, compared to the now phased-out incandescent bulbs, which typically lasted no more than a year.



“Small savings add up, is the moral of the story,” he said.



Read more at TheHill.com.
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and ... (show quote)




I didn't see where they covered how toxic the LED process is.
Like solar........ 10 times dirtier that what we have now

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Apr 16, 2024 20:37:06   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
How many struggling to meet their families basic needs care about this?


indeed a worthy question Tree, I was going to use the info on Iran oil that AuntiE sent but can not find it and can not PM her so heck we all must have the light and this is minor but in the overall picture , it is important over time.. buy and enjoy in the many years ahead.. save a buck.. or two...



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Apr 16, 2024 20:37:47   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
liberalh****r wrote:
I didn't see where they covered how toxic the LED process is.
Like solar........ 10 times dirtier that what we have now


check more.. it is not...

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Apr 16, 2024 20:54:36   #
liberalhunter Loc: Your mom's house
 
permafrost wrote:
check more.. it is not...



Yea......yea it is.

I suggest you check.

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Apr 16, 2024 21:18:42   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
liberalh****r wrote:
Yea......yea it is.

I suggest you check.


Gee the things I do to help out the lost orange mob.... This truly seems like a trivial goal, but over the decades, it will be big for both homeowners and the environment.. well worth the doing..


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According to the US Department of Energy (DOE), approximately 5% of greenhouse gas emissions worldwide are due to lighting. Incandescents and other energy-inefficient bulbs contribute more because they produce more heat.Aug 1, 2023

Inefficient incandescent bulbs no longer available for sale in the US... as of August 2023.....




https://www.popsci.com/environment/light-bulbs-sustainability-energy/

Incandescent bulbs aren’t very energy-efficient
The biggest environmental issue with incandescent bulbs is low energy efficiency. Only two to three percent of the electricity powering the bulb actually is converted to visible light, says Matthew J. Eckelman, assistant professor of civil and environmental engineering at Northeastern University. For an incandescent bulb to work, the tungsten filament inside must be heated to the point that it glows. These kinds of bulbs aren’t efficient because the rest of the electrical power supplied to the bulb that isn’t converted to visible light is lost as heat.

“Incandescent bulbs use more energy and produce more heat due to their engineering designs,” says Paul Foote, energy efficiency and conservation specialist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. It’s important to shift to more energy-efficient alternatives to reduce the environmental impacts of incandescent bulbs from the utilization of f****l f**ls for electricity, he added.

Other lighting technologies are a more efficient option. For instance, CFLs and LEDs use about 75 percent and 90 percent less energy than incandescent light bulbs respectively. Compared to incandescent bulbs, these higher-efficiency alternatives use more electricity for the production of light, not heat.

[Related: Energy costs hit low-income Americans the hardest.]

If every household in the country replaced one incandescent light bulb with a CFL bulb, it would save enough energy annually to prevent GHG emissions equivalent to what 800,000 cars would produce. Given that LEDs are more energy-efficient than CFLs, their use may reduce GHG emissions even further.

“This matters because 60 percent of the electricity in the US is still generated from f****l f**ls, with their attendant emissions of greenhouse gasses and harmful air pollutants, such as particulate matter,” says Eckelman. “Air pollution from the energy system causes one in five deaths worldwide, but reducing demand for electricity through energy efficiency helps to lessen this health burden.”

Once the new rules from the DOE are fully implemented next year, consumers are expected to save nearly $3 billion per year on their utility bills. Moreover, they don’t have to buy bulbs as frequently as they used to because energy-efficient bulbs last much longer than incandescent ones.

[Related: You might be buying the wrong lightbulbs.]

“Incandescent bulbs have shorter lifetimes compared to other lighting technologies like fluorescents or LEDs that can last 10 to 50 times longer,” says Eckelman. “This means that consumers won’t have to replace bulbs as often. Typical incandescent bulbs operate at about 15 lumens per watt, so the standard represents a tripling of energy efficiency at a minimum and electricity for lighting will decrease by at least two-thirds.”

About 222 million metric tons of carbon emissions are projected to be slashed over the next 30 years thanks to the new rule. Still, ensuring that everyone has access to affordable energy-efficient bulbs is a crucial step.

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Apr 16, 2024 21:48:12   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
Just an observation - we have old ceiling track lighting in the museum with 15 to 18 lights that can be rearranged and pointed in different directions depending on the exhibit. Replacing the burnt out bulbs with LED ones lowered the temp in the main exhibit room by several degrees - which is going to be a welcome change come summertime.

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Apr 16, 2024 22:09:35   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Just an observation - we have old ceiling track lighting in the museum with 15 to 18 lights that can be rearranged and pointed in different directions depending on the exhibit. Replacing the burnt out bulbs with LED ones lowered the temp in the main exhibit room by several degrees - which is going to be a welcome change come summertime.


Great to know.... and you get to work in a museum.... seems like a great job to have,, Museums are one of my favorite places to wonder in... from county historical, to the super sized natural history version,,, I really like them..

the tiny mussum in Roseau Country in far NW Minn. has some relics and papers from my father and the fellow who rented the place for a decade or so after we moved.. is extra fun to have a look at some of that stuff, papers and maps but also a couple of strange tree growth.. huge root draped along two walls and a couple chunks of distorted tree trunks to add some curiosity to the corners...

Nice to hear your input... have a good evening..

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Apr 16, 2024 22:17:07   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
permafrost wrote:
Great to know.... and you get to work in a museum.... seems like a great job to have,, Museums are one of my favorite places to wonder in... from county historical, to the super sized natural history version,,, I really like them..

the tiny mussum in Roseau Country in far NW Minn. has some relics and papers from my father and the fellow who rented the place for a decade or so after we moved.. is extra fun to have a look at some of that stuff, papers and maps but also a couple of strange tree growth.. huge root draped along two walls and a couple chunks of distorted tree trunks to add some curiosity to the corners...

Nice to hear your input... have a good evening..
Great to know.... and you get to work in a museum.... (show quote)


I love it. One of the most interesting jobs I've ever had, though I did enjoy writing for the local paper too. I got to meet a lot of interesting people when I was writing and covering politics and e******ns.

What a wonderful thing to know your dad's papers are in a local museum where people can learn from them! I shudder to think how much history has been lost because people have simply thrown it away when cleaning out a house after someone has passed on..🥺

Have a good night!

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Apr 16, 2024 22:24:17   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
NotMAGA wrote:
I love it. One of the most interesting jobs I've ever had, though I did enjoy writing for the local paper too. I got to meet a lot of interesting people when I was writing and covering politics and e******ns.

What a wonderful thing to know your dad's papers are in a local museum where people can learn from them! I shudder to think how much history has been lost because people have simply thrown it away when cleaning out a house after someone has passed on..🥺

Have a good night!



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Apr 16, 2024 22:32:39   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
permafrost wrote:
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and one step at a time.. and make it better..



The Biden administration’s final rule for LED bulbs, announced Friday, more than doubles the energy efficiency requirements for the bulbs, taking them from 45 lumens (the unit of measurement for brightness) per watt to over 120 lumens. The Energy Department has projected the rule will result in about $27 billion in total savings and prevent the release of 70 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions over a thirty-year period.



“LED lightbulbs, which are now the norm, will get more energy efficient and therefore use less electricity,” Andrew deLaski, executive director at the Appliance Standards Awareness Project, told The Hill in an interview.



Specifically, he said, Americans will save about a dollar per bulb under normal usage conditions, which comes out to a $50 annual savings in a typical household with about two dozen lightbulbs.



“It takes some time, and the reason it takes some time is LED lightbulbs last a long time,” he added. In many cases, he said, LED bulbs can last as long as 10 years before burning out, compared to the now phased-out incandescent bulbs, which typically lasted no more than a year.



“Small savings add up, is the moral of the story,” he said.



Read more at TheHill.com.
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and ... (show quote)


All I know is I needed some light bulbs and I got a box of 10 for $15.99 ---- They are brighter than my regular bulbs and are guaranteed to last 10 years .

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Apr 16, 2024 22:51:31   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
All I know is I needed some light bulbs and I got a box of 10 for $15.99 ---- They are brighter than my regular bulbs and are guaranteed to last 10 years .


Not bad! The only thing I don't like is that so many are just bright bright white. Definitely not flattering to many of us. At my age, it makes me tempted to stock up on candles. 😉 Though it does make it easier to read small print, so I guess it might be worth the trade-off.

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Apr 16, 2024 22:56:12   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
All I know is I needed some light bulbs and I got a box of 10 for $15.99 ---- They are brighter than my regular bulbs and are guaranteed to last 10 years .


I am putting them up all over the place.. the older ones CFL?? had a bit of trouble in the cold winter but the LED seem to be fine in every way... the first ones I got were put in a stair well that I need to place a ladder on the stair steps to change the darn light... that was before the c***d, so getting near 4 years and still doing fine.. really a nice advance..

thinking about it,, you got a darn good price on that box... mine are prices about 2 bucks per bulb.. or seems like it..

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Apr 16, 2024 23:50:25   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
permafrost wrote:
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and one step at a time.. and make it better..

The Biden administration’s final rule for LED bulbs, announced Friday, more than doubles the energy efficiency requirements for the bulbs, taking them from 45 lumens (the unit of measurement for brightness) per watt to over 120 lumens. The Energy Department has projected the rule will result in about $27 billion in total savings and prevent the release of 70 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions over a thirty-year period.

“LED lightbulbs, which are now the norm, will get more energy efficient and therefore use less electricity,” Andrew deLaski, executive director at the Appliance Standards Awareness Project, told The Hill in an interview.

Specifically, he said, Americans will save about a dollar per bulb under normal usage conditions, which comes out to a $50 annual savings in a typical household with about two dozen lightbulbs.

“It takes some time, and the reason it takes some time is LED lightbulbs last a long time,” he added. In many cases, he said, LED bulbs can last as long as 10 years before burning out, compared to the now phased-out incandescent bulbs, which typically lasted no more than a year.

“Small savings add up, is the moral of the story,” he said.

Read more at TheHill.com.
Just to point out, we can make progress, slow and ... (show quote)


Let me explain to you why I immediately ordered cases of regular light bulbs. The first time we put an LED bulb in it flipped the circuit breaker for two rooms. The second time we tried a different lamp different room. Same result.

As to duration of older bulbs, our fluorescent bathroom bulb is on six years and is on all night every night.

Until Joey and the EPA offer to pay for an electrician to rewire my 73 year old house, they can shove their LED bulbs up their derrières, sit on them and crush them in their anal cavity!

FYI. There was, as required, no public comment period on this change they made.

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