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Mar 19, 2024 16:50:54   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
publican wrote:
Prove it!


Prove it! Must be the only argument you have in your keyboard warrior arsenal. So far, you've said nothing and wasted everyone's time with your inane comment. I will not get into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent such as yourself.

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Mar 19, 2024 16:53:12   #
publican
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Prove it! Must be the only argument you have in your keyboard warrior arsenal. So far, you've said nothing, and wasted everyone's time with your inane comment.


You must be new around here. My interlocutors have been screaming at me "Prove it!" over and over. I am just this once tossing back a little of it.

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Mar 19, 2024 16:59:39   #
martsiva
 
publican wrote:
The border "crisis": here's a few links
https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/facts-not-fear-how-welcoming-immigrants-benefits-new-york-city/
https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy
https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/north-american-century/benefits-of-immigration-outweigh-costs

Censorship: yes, there was some noise about the administration's clumsy attempts to shut down some of the more egregious cases of mis- or dis-information. And they were shot down for doing so. Hooray for the American system! That's how it is supposed to work. Nevertheless, it is not so simple as "free speech good, censorship bad". We are in a new world where misinformation can spread so rapidly as to distort reality in dangerous ways. It is not obvious how to deal with this unprecedented situation, but simple minded shouting about first amendment rights is not sufficient.

Intervention in Ukraine: there is nothing debatable here, unless you are a Russian agent. Are you a Russion agent?

The other things I mentioned as fever dreams: so what would you call them?
The border "crisis": here's a few links ... (show quote)


Let`s see here - you have an article from the NYC government as thousands protest IN NYC against Biden`s border policies that are hurting Americans there!! There have been work visas for immigrants to work in this country for decades!! Tell us how the $150 BILLION it has cost this country EVERY YEAR since Biden took office has benefitted this country!! Tell us how letting in 5000 of these people in EVERYDAY and having to pay for them is benefitting this country!! Tell us how allowing in millions of UNVETTED illegals in benefits this country!! You insult the intelligence of Americans who do actual research to see if they are reading misinformation or not!! This 'new world' does not trump our first amendment right to free speech!! Intervention into Ukraine is VERY debatable since we have already sent them billions in money and resources that we no longer have!! You are nothing but an America last person who thinks foreigners should come before the needs of this country and you must be a Ukrainian agent since you think they should come first before our own people!! The other things I mentioned are truths that you deny!

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Mar 19, 2024 17:03:00   #
publican
 
martsiva wrote:
Let`s see here - you have an article from the NYC government as thousands protest IN NYC against Biden`s border policies that are hurting Americans there!! There have been work visas for immigrants to work in this country for decades!! Tell us how the $150 BILLION it has cost this country EVERY YEAR since Biden took office has benefitted this country!! Tell us how letting in 5000 of these people in EVERYDAY and having to pay for them is benefitting this country!! Tell us how allowing in millions of UNVETTED illegals in benefits this country!! You insult the intelligence of Americans who do actual research to see if they are reading misinformation or not!! This 'new world' does not trump our first amendment right to free speech!! Intervention into Ukraine is VERY debatable since we have already sent them billions in money and resources that we no longer have!! You are nothing but an America last person who thinks foreigners should come before the needs of this country and you must be a Ukrainian agent since you think they should come first before our own people!! The other things I mentioned are truths that you deny!
Let`s see here - you have an article from the NYC ... (show quote)


This little screed you have written is so unhinged I cannot respond to it. You really need to calm down -- your blood pressure must be 300 over 150. That's not very healthy.

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Mar 19, 2024 17:29:03   #
American Vet
 
[quote=publican]The border "crisis": here's a few links
https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/facts-not-fear-how-welcoming-immigrants-benefits-new-york-city/
https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy
https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/north-american-century/benefits-of-immigration-outweigh-costs

https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/facts-not-fear-how-welcoming-immigrants-benefits-new-york-city/
Seems that many disagree with your link - including the mayor of NYC - and describe it as a crisis.

NYC mayor puts $12 billion cost on migrant crisis, blames ‘broken’ national immigration system
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/09/eric-adams-new-york-migrants-cost-00110472

NYC Migrant Crisis Hits Breaking Point in Midtown Manhattan
Crowds have waited for shelter in the Roosevelt Hotel for days
Mayor Adams says city needs help, situation is going downhill
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-01/nyc-s-migrant-crisis-reaches-breaking-point-in-midtown-manhattan

Yes, Immigration Hurts American Workers
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/


Censorship: yes, there was some noise about the administration's clumsy attempts to shut down some of the more egregious cases of mis- or dis-information. And they were shot down for doing so. Hooray for the American system! That's how it is supposed to work. Nevertheless, it is not so simple as "free speech good, censorship bad". We are in a new world where misinformation can spread so rapidly as to distort reality in dangerous ways. It is not obvious how to deal with this unprecedented situation, but simple minded shouting about first amendment rights is not sufficient.
Yes: Shouting about the First Amendment is not only sufficient - but needs to be done more. Letting the government decide what is "disinformation" is akin to what tyrants have done throughout history.

Intervention in Ukraine: there is nothing debatable here, unless you are a Russian agent. Are you a Russion agent?
Yes, it is debatable. Are you a bloody war monger? There are ways to defeat Putin - and some do not require killing. Unfortunately, that is not profitable nor does it make "good press" for the biden cabal.

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Mar 19, 2024 17:41:43   #
publican
 
[quote=American Vet]
publican wrote:
The border "crisis": here's a few links
https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/facts-not-fear-how-welcoming-immigrants-benefits-new-york-city/
https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy
https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/north-american-century/benefits-of-immigration-outweigh-costs

https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/facts-not-fear-how-welcoming-immigrants-benefits-new-york-city/
Seems that many disagree with your link - including the mayor of NYC - and describe it as a crisis.

NYC mayor puts $12 billion cost on migrant crisis, blames ‘broken’ national immigration system
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/09/eric-adams-new-york-migrants-cost-00110472

NYC Migrant Crisis Hits Breaking Point in Midtown Manhattan
Crowds have waited for shelter in the Roosevelt Hotel for days
Mayor Adams says city needs help, situation is going downhill
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-01/nyc-s-migrant-crisis-reaches-breaking-point-in-midtown-manhattan

Yes, Immigration Hurts American Workers
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/


Censorship: yes, there was some noise about the administration's clumsy attempts to shut down some of the more egregious cases of mis- or dis-information. And they were shot down for doing so. Hooray for the American system! That's how it is supposed to work. Nevertheless, it is not so simple as "free speech good, censorship bad". We are in a new world where misinformation can spread so rapidly as to distort reality in dangerous ways. It is not obvious how to deal with this unprecedented situation, but simple minded shouting about first amendment rights is not sufficient.
Yes: Shouting about the First Amendment is not only sufficient - but needs to be done more. Letting the government decide what is "disinformation" is akin to what tyrants have done throughout history.

Intervention in Ukraine: there is nothing debatable here, unless you are a Russian agent. Are you a Russion agent?
Yes, it is debatable. Are you a bloody war monger? There are ways to defeat Putin - and some do not require killing. Unfortunately, that is not profitable nor does it make "good press" for the biden cabal.
The border "crisis": here's a few links ... (show quote)


If you have a bloodless method of defeating Putin I would love to hear it.

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Mar 19, 2024 18:03:20   #
American Vet
 
publican wrote:
If you have a bloodless method of defeating Putin I would love to hear it.


Essentially, the same way Reagan defeated the Soviet Union - money.

There is a way to stop Putin’s Ukrainian adventure that has nothing to do with military intervention. That is to go after his money.
https://time.com/6143645/how-to-stop-putin-invastion-ukraine/

A second way for Ukraine to win would be through a diplomatic agreement.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/08/18/how-to-end-ukraine-war-00111752

How to deploy economic tools against Putin’s aggression
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/how-to-deploy-economic-tools-against-putins-aggression/

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Mar 19, 2024 18:48:21   #
WEBCO
 
publican wrote:
I could, but it would be pearls before swine, so I won't.


Bless your heart

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Mar 19, 2024 18:58:44   #
Salvatore
 
Isn't it miraculous that officials of one party who brake the law continuously never get charged for the dirty deeds that they do, yet the other party constantly gets prosecuted! Hmmmmmmm!

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Mar 19, 2024 20:46:17   #
Knightlady
 
publican wrote:
You must be new around here. My interlocutors have been screaming at me "Prove it!" over and over. I am just this once tossing back a little of it.


You'd better check out how long dt has been here

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Mar 19, 2024 21:14:08   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Great post, I like Victor too, he speaks the truth.
Obammy definitely was the ring leader.

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Mar 20, 2024 00:30:09   #
LindaK
 
dTucker: Thank you for pointing out where there’s been no Justice at all while the left gets excused no matter how unjustly they’ve acted.

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Mar 20, 2024 00:36:15   #
LindaK
 
martsiva wrote:
Let`s see here - you have an article from the NYC government as thousands protest IN NYC against Biden`s border policies that are hurting Americans there!! There have been work visas for immigrants to work in this country for decades!! Tell us how the $150 BILLION it has cost this country EVERY YEAR since Biden took office has benefitted this country!! Tell us how letting in 5000 of these people in EVERYDAY and having to pay for them is benefitting this country!! Tell us how allowing in millions of UNVETTED illegals in benefits this country!! You insult the intelligence of Americans who do actual research to see if they are reading misinformation or not!! This 'new world' does not trump our first amendment right to free speech!! Intervention into Ukraine is VERY debatable since we have already sent them billions in money and resources that we no longer have!! You are nothing but an America last person who thinks foreigners should come before the needs of this country and you must be a Ukrainian agent since you think they should come first before our own people!! The other things I mentioned are truths that you deny!
Let`s see here - you have an article from the NYC ... (show quote)





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Mar 20, 2024 00:41:33   #
LindaK
 
Salvatore wrote:
Isn't it miraculous that officials of one party who brake the law continuously never get charged for the dirty deeds that they do, yet the other party constantly gets prosecuted! Hmmmmmmm!
. True. All honest Americans have seen the lefts double standards, which bidens also been extending using their lawlessness.

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Mar 20, 2024 00:52:43   #
LindaK
 
American Vet wrote:
LOL

Just because you "state" something doesn't mean it is a "fact". That seems to be a common issue amongst ELWNJs.
So, no, you have not stated a "fact".
.


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