Religion Debate (Page 18): ================= Lol..., now Lucifer is talking! :sm25: :sm25: :sm25: :sm25:...

Radiance3

1 hollywood. wrote:

Ha! Sorry to burst your bubble but billy Graham was an annunaki!!! Helping with the mind control system.

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Lol..., now Lucifer is talking!

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Radiance3 wrote:

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Lol..., now Lucifer is talking!

Okay this debate just went over the cliff from reason to insanity, I agree with Blade Runner

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

1 hollywood wrote:

Now why do u people have to talk like that? Just who the flock do u think u are. If I saw both of u face to face I'd slap u into eternity. Come on mthfckrs brain dead zombies.

BIRDMAN wrote:

Challenge accepted

All we need to know is to whom we send the card and flowers.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Ranger7374 wrote:

Spot on Blade, let me add that Baal, Ishtar, had other names....but thier human name was

Nimrod for Baal

And Semiramis, who was Ishtar, and she was Nimrods mother and wife. Still looking for the origin of Molech though.

Moloch
As with many details in ancient history, the exact origin of Moloch/Molech/Molek worship is unclear. The term Moloch is believed to have originated with the Phoenician mlk, which referred to a type of sacrifice made to confirm or acquit a vow. Melekh is the Hebrew word for “king.” It was common for the Israelites to combine the name of pagan gods with the vowels in the Hebrew word for shame: bosheth. This is how the goddess of fertility and war, Astarte, became Ashtoreth. The combination of mlk, melekh, and bosheth results in “Moloch,” which could be interpreted as “the personified ruler of shameful sacrifice.” It has also been spelled Milcom, Milkim, and Malik. Ashtoreth was his consort, and ritual prostitution was considered an important form of worship.

The Phoenicians were a loosely gathered group of people who inhabited Canaan (modern-day Lebanon, Syria, and Israel) between 1550 BC and 300 BC. In addition to sexual rituals, Moloch worship included child sacrifice, or “passing children through the fire.” It is believed that idols of Moloch were giant metal statues of a man with a bull’s head. Each image had a hole in the abdomen and possibly outstretched forearms that made a kind of ramp to the hole. A fire was lit in or around the statue. Babies were placed in the statue’s arms or in the hole. When a couple sacrificed their firstborn, they believed that Moloch would ensure financial prosperity for the family and future children.

Moloch/Molech worship wasn’t limited to Canaan. Monoliths in North Africa bear the engraving “mlk”—often written “mlk’mr” and “mlk’dm,” which may mean “sacrifice of lamb” and “sacrifice of man.” In North Africa, Moloch was renamed “Kronos.” Kronos migrated to Carthage in Greece, and his mythology grew to include his becoming a Titan and the father of Zeus. Moloch is affiliated with and sometimes equated to Ba’al, although the word ba’al was also used to designate any god or ruler.

In Genesis 12 Abraham followed God’s call to move to Canaan. Although human sacrifice was not common in Abraham’s native Ur, it was well-established in his new land. God later asked Abraham to offer Isaac as a sacrifice (Genesis 22:2). But then God distinguished Himself from gods like Moloch. Unlike the native Canaanite gods, Abraham’s God abhorred human sacrifice. God commanded Isaac to be spared, and He provided a ram to take Isaac’s place (Genesis 22:13). God used this event as an illustration of how He would later provide His own Son to take our place.

Over five hundred years after Abraham, Joshua led the Israelites out of the desert to inherit the Promised Land. God knew that the Israelites were immature in their faith and easily distracted from worshiping the one true God (Exodus 32). Before the Israelites had even entered Canaan, God warned them not to participate in Moloch worship (Leviticus 18:21) and repeatedly told them to destroy those cultures that worshiped Moloch. The Israelites didn’t heed God’s warnings. Instead, they incorporated Moloch worship into their own traditions. Even Solomon, the wisest king, was swayed by this cult and built places of worship for Moloch and other gods (1 Kings 11:1–8). Moloch worship occurred in the “high places” (1 Kings 12:31) as well as a narrow ravine outside Jerusalem called the Valley of Hinnom (2 Kings 23:10).

Despite occasional efforts by godly kings, worship of Moloch wasn’t abolished until the Israelites’ captivity in Babylon. (Although the Babylonian religion was pantheistic and characterized by astrology and divination, it did not include human sacrifice.) Somehow, the dispersion of the Israelites into a large pagan civilization succeeded in finally purging them of their false gods. When the Jews returned to their land, they rededicated themselves to God, and the Valley of Hinnom was turned into a place for burning garbage and the bodies of executed criminals. Jesus used the imagery of this place—an eternally burning fire, consuming countless human victims—to describe hell (Matthew 10:28).

son of witless

Blade_Runner wrote:

You are crazier than a monkey on amphetamines.
There is no worthwhile response to a fictional word salad.

Regarding your paranoia, see a shrink.

Did Susan change her name ?

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Blade_Runner wrote:

Moloch
As with many details in ancient history, the exact origin of Moloch/Molech/Molek worship is unclear. The term Moloch is believed to have originated with the Phoenician mlk, which referred to a type of sacrifice made to confirm or acquit a vow. Melekh is the Hebrew word for “king.” It was common for the Israelites to combine the name of pagan gods with the vowels in the Hebrew word for shame: bosheth. This is how the goddess of fertility and war, Astarte, became Ashtoreth. The combination of mlk, melekh, and bosheth results in “Moloch,” which could be interpreted as “the personified ruler of shameful sacrifice.” It has also been spelled Milcom, Milkim, and Malik. Ashtoreth was his consort, and ritual prostitution was considered an important form of worship.

The Phoenicians were a loosely gathered group of people who inhabited Canaan (modern-day Lebanon, Syria, and Israel) between 1550 BC and 300 BC. In addition to sexual rituals, Moloch worship included child sacrifice, or “passing children through the fire.” It is believed that idols of Moloch were giant metal statues of a man with a bull’s head. Each image had a hole in the abdomen and possibly outstretched forearms that made a kind of ramp to the hole. A fire was lit in or around the statue. Babies were placed in the statue’s arms or in the hole. When a couple sacrificed their firstborn, they believed that Moloch would ensure financial prosperity for the family and future children.

Moloch/Molech worship wasn’t limited to Canaan. Monoliths in North Africa bear the engraving “mlk”—often written “mlk’mr” and “mlk’dm,” which may mean “sacrifice of lamb” and “sacrifice of man.” In North Africa, Moloch was renamed “Kronos.” Kronos migrated to Carthage in Greece, and his mythology grew to include his becoming a Titan and the father of Zeus. Moloch is affiliated with and sometimes equated to Ba’al, although the word ba’al was also used to designate any god or ruler.

In Genesis 12 Abraham followed God’s call to move to Canaan. Although human sacrifice was not common in Abraham’s native Ur, it was well-established in his new land. God later asked Abraham to offer Isaac as a sacrifice (Genesis 22:2). But then God distinguished Himself from gods like Moloch. Unlike the native Canaanite gods, Abraham’s God abhorred human sacrifice. God commanded Isaac to be spared, and He provided a ram to take Isaac’s place (Genesis 22:13). God used this event as an illustration of how He would later provide His own Son to take our place.

Over five hundred years after Abraham, Joshua led the Israelites out of the desert to inherit the Promised Land. God knew that the Israelites were immature in their faith and easily distracted from worshiping the one true God (Exodus 32). Before the Israelites had even entered Canaan, God warned them not to participate in Moloch worship (Leviticus 18:21) and repeatedly told them to destroy those cultures that worshiped Moloch. The Israelites didn’t heed God’s warnings. Instead, they incorporated Moloch worship into their own traditions. Even Solomon, the wisest king, was swayed by this cult and built places of worship for Moloch and other gods (1 Kings 11:1–8). Moloch worship occurred in the “high places” (1 Kings 12:31) as well as a narrow ravine outside Jerusalem called the Valley of Hinnom (2 Kings 23:10).

Despite occasional efforts by godly kings, worship of Moloch wasn’t abolished until the Israelites’ captivity in Babylon. (Although the Babylonian religion was pantheistic and characterized by astrology and divination, it did not include human sacrifice.) Somehow, the dispersion of the Israelites into a large pagan civilization succeeded in finally purging them of their false gods. When the Jews returned to their land, they rededicated themselves to God, and the Valley of Hinnom was turned into a place for burning garbage and the bodies of executed criminals. Jesus used the imagery of this place—an eternally burning fire, consuming countless human victims—to describe hell (Matthew 10:28).

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That is interesting, that Moleoch and Cronus was one and the same.....thank you Blade, thank you.

Oldsalt

This entire string is not something that I will comment on. It's just too filled with hate on both sides.

claudio1940

Religion, the opium of the people, as Marks said, never been truer...

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

claudio1940 wrote:

Religion, the opium of the people, as Marks said, never been truer...

So, you're a Marxist.

Karl Marx said,

"My mission in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism."

"The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope."

"A heavy or progressive or graduated income tax is necessary for the proper development of Communism."

"Owners of capital will stimulate working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks which will have to be nationalized and State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism."

"Taxes are the source of life for the bureaucracy, the army and the court, in short, for the whole apparatus of the executive power. Strong government and heavy taxes are identical."

"Communism begins where atheism begins."

"The democratic concept of man is false, because it is Christian. The democratic concept holds that . . . each man is a sovereign being. This is the illusion, dream, and postulate of Christianity."

"The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property."

"Communism... is the genuine resolution of the antagonism between man and nature and between man and man; it is the true resolution of the conflict between existence and essence, objectification and self-affirmation, freedom and necessity, individual and species. It is the riddle of history solved and knows itself as the solution."

"The Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things... They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions."

"Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole."

"Keep people from their history, and they are easily controlled."

"The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care,
shall be in state institutions."

"There is no greater stupidity than for people...to marry and so surrender themselves to the small miseries of domestic and private life."

"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you.
When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror."

"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, , etc., that are common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience."

"Anyone who knows anything of history knows that great social changes are impossible without feminine upheaval. Social progress can be measured exactly by the social position of the fair sex, the ugly ones included."

"The existence of the state is inseparable from the existence of slavery."

"Every provisional political set-up following a revolution requires a dictatorship,
and an energetic dictatorship at that."

claudio1940

What a silly conclusion!!
As all human beings, Marx made a lot of both correct and incorrect statements.
The fact that I agree with some of them, it doesn't mean that I agree with his entire economic theory.
As a matter of fact, I mostly disagree with it.
However, we must recognize when he's right.
The world is not black and white, it's nuanced.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

claudio1940 wrote:

What a silly conclusion!!
As all human beings, Marx made a lot of both correct and incorrect statements.
The fact that I agree with some of them, it doesn't mean that I agree with his entire economic theory.
As a matter of fact, I mostly disagree with it.
However, we must recognize when he's right.
The world is not black and white, it's nuanced.

Yeah, it is, and 85% of the world population (6.8 billion people) are religious.

claudio1940

Generally speaking, the believe of the majority, it doesn't guarantee the truth of the believe itself.
Case in point, Galileo challenged the general believe that the sun
was circling the earth, stating the opposite...
I think you need a better argument.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

claudio1940 wrote:

What a silly conclusion!!
As all human beings, Marx made a lot of both correct and incorrect statements.
The fact that I agree with some of them, it doesn't mean that I agree with his entire economic theory.
As a matter of fact, I mostly disagree with it.
However, we must recognize when he's right.
The world is not black and white, it's nuanced.

I'd be curious to read your comments as to which parts of Marx's manifesto you agree. That you find Blade's comments on Marxism silly immediately places your fidelity to the Republic doubtful.

We can presume your hostility to religion.

Moral relativism says Truth is "nuanced" and their Bible is "50 shades of gray."

Do you support Marx's redistribution of income -“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”

I await your responses.

claudio1940

I never was a supporter of Marx, because I believe that his Manifesto is a bit naive.
However, some of the good parts of it, are now in our own social fabric, think Social Security.
As I mentioned in my previous writing, we need to be careful, before rejecting, totally,
other people ideas. Even if, they are mostly questionable, they may still contain a kernel of truth.
Just be open to different viewpoints, don't be afraid of them, analyze them.

p.s. About the redistribution of income, the US Tax Code is a pretty good example of it...

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

claudio1940 wrote:

I never was a supporter of Marx, because I believe... (show quote)

Social Security is failing and has provided a cash cow for government.

Truth, real objective Truth, is bigger than a mere kernel. The truths of moral relativism are extremely subjective and very small. The only absolute truth moral relativist acknowledge is that there are no absolute truths.

Yes indeed our taxes support things no man possessing traditional American morals, values, faith, family and love of country could, in good conscience, ever abide. Tyranny?