BIRDMAN

Everything’s fine. Just listen to your leader

albertk

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Congrats, Frosty, for taking Fullspinzero's advice to tell the truth, again

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

good evening Al... such a wonderful day to be a liberal....

So you want to trump the thread?... OK..

follow the link, a lot more in this short story.. Have a nice night,, wake up early and we can do more back and forth...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/16/2223707/-Trump-whines-and-cries-as-he-s-spanked-on-Border-Security?detail=emaildkbow&pm_source=DKRE&pm_medium=email

Trump whines and cries as he's spanked on Border Security
Frank Vyan Walton, author
by Frank Vyan Walton

The Lincoln Project has put up a devastating ad blasting Trump for undermining border security and putting our nation at risk.

Trump wants our economy to fail and the border to be in chaos, all for his own political gain. The GOP is willing to assist him, at the cost of our national security.

The Republican Party has shown you their hand time and time again. Stop shaking it.

This has prompted the great Orange snake to spit forth even more fresh venom.

(at this point trump ranted on about facts he could not slither out of,, follow the link if you wish)

The simple fact is, nearly all of this response is a lie.

Trump claims '“They didn’t happen to mention anything about the 18,000,000 Illegal Aliens that will have invaded our Country” — but they do mention them. They accuse Trump of helping those migrants by blocking the bi-partisan border deal from the Senate which would allow the border to be closed if too many migrants arrive.

Trump claims “Nor did they talk about the drugs pouring into the USA in amounts so large that no one,” but in the ad they accuse Trump of being on the same side as the drug traffickers and the “Coyotes” who implement human trafficking.

So he didn’t watch the ad. He has no idea what’s actually in it.

Drugs and fentanyl are a serious problem, but in point of fact, migrants aren’t responsible for that problem.

In 2021, U.S. citizens were 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers—ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense.

The rate of immigrants who commit crimes is dramatically less than the rate of crime by U.S. Citizens.

In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐​born Americans. The illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 45 percent below that of native‐​born Americans in Texas. The general pattern of native‐​born Americans having the highest criminal conviction rates followed by illegal immigrants and then with legal immigrants having the lowest holds for all of other specific types of crimes such as violent crimes, property crimes, homicide, and sex crimes.

And terrorism is a legitimate threat, but there has never been a terrorist attack attempted by someone who crossed the Southern Border.

there have been zero terrorist attacks on U.S. soil by illegal immigrants or asylum seekers who crossed that border.

So even though these issues involving migrants has been heavily hyped, they’re not a real problem.

Even Trump’s calling these migrants “Illegal Aliens” is wrong because “8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien” is not a criminal offense.

Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—

(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or

(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection

Crossing the border to seek asylum is a completely legal process under 8 U.S. Code § 1158.

Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

Entering the U.S. for asylum is legal. Improper entry is a CIVIL offense, it’s not criminal. It’s not a crime, It’s not illegal. It doesn’t become criminal unless someone re-enters after they’ve been deported.

Calling these people “Illegal Aliens” makes no sense because nothing here is illegal.

Even those who enter and don’t seek asylum, but are merely assigned a court date for their deportation hearing — have not broken the law. They’ve merely committed an infraction. The penalty is merely a fine.

Most importantly it’s a blatant lie that the border is “Open” because it is simply not. Most of the migrants encountered by Border Patrol are being expelled and blocked from entry. The Border Patrol’s own statistics prove this

For FY23 they have 1.505,581 Arrested under Title 8 and 550,278 Expelled under Title 42. [From Lower right corner of the chart]

That totals to 2,055,089 people for just that year.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Nice to hear... I work so hard to make spin feel better and join in the dialog.. rather then just send PMs to me... I often forget his insults by the time I find my way back to the Forum...

this was/is a good thread,,, sorry to have missed so much. But I read fast and then forget most of it.. that way it is a nice exchange of opinions.. Heatwave coming to this northland sandwiching one big storm . looking at maybe as much as 2, not 1 but 2 inches of that white stuff we once were so familiar with..

Semper Fi... have a nice evening and come back tomorrow....

I was trying to tag our Canadian in China but got nothing back yet..

BIRDMAN

Yep Trump’s fault

fullspinzoo

Spot on, and I hope Trump has ways in place to handle it. I mean you know it's coming. Not sure what precautionary measures you can take.

bylm1-Bernie

Very typical leftist response - Blaming Trump for what they have done and lying through their teeth. Of course crime isn't a problem due to the border. How could anyone think that letting millions of unvetted illegals into the Country and giving them phones and credit cards would be dangerous? This many murders and robberies and shootings committed by illegals across the Country must be just in the imagination of the conservatives.

TruePatriot49 Loc: The Democratic People's Republic Rhode Island

"women of child bearing years would have their periods monitored"? You have gone off your meds AGAIN. Please seek help before you get so agitated that you harm yourself. Something is wrong with your brain. Roe vs Wade only sent the abortion issue back to the states for them to decide.

fullspinzoo

Perm is a disgrace to this country.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

TruePatriot49 Loc: The Democratic People's Republic Rhode Island

BIRDMAN, is that a picture of Bad Bob?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Good morning Bernie...



Is crime increasing in the US 2023?
U.S. Crime Rate Fell in 2023 - The New York Times
The spike that started in 2020 now looks more like a blip, and the murder rate is lower than it was during the 1970s, '80s and '90s. The recent data also suggests that the violent-crime rate in 2023 was near its lowest level in more than 50 years, as Jeff Asher, a crime analyst, wrote for his newsletter.Jan 11, 2024

U.S. Crime Rate Fell in 2023 - The New York Times can not copy the article unless you pay.. but this is the part we are disgusting...

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WEBCO

Whatever you say, boss. You know it all.

Proud American Patriot

If I remember correctly, they will ballot harvest too. It was also said that the GOP is hiring attorneys to ballot watch. So maybe the strategy is to beat them at their own game. That he did say in an interview, just not specifically what. So if they do the same and ballot harvest, and both sides has more people vote than is registered, what will the Dems do then? Recount? Lol. They are already trying to figure a way to not certify the election if Trump wins. Very legal, huh?