More facts for the MAGAs (Page 6): Same issue, responsibility. Isn't contraception to prevent unwanted babies being responsible?

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

padremike wrote:

Let me see if I understand your question. Basically, you wanted to know if I was prepared to care for children who the mothers intended to abort. I declined because the responsibility falls on the parents not society and not me, you either. If we choose to accept responsibility that's a different issue.

So Bobby, how is it my responsibility to include contraception as part of the responsibility for people engaging in coitus?

Same issue, responsibility. Isn't contraception to prevent unwanted babies being responsible?

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

padremike wrote:

Let me see if I understand your question. Basically, you wanted to know if I was prepared to care for children who the mothers intended to abort. I declined because the responsibility falls on the parents not society and not me, you either. If we choose to accept responsibility that's a different issue.

So Bobby, how is it my responsibility to include contraception as part of the responsibility for people engaging in coitus?

Do you have a problem with contraceptives to prevent abortions?

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Bad Bob wrote:

Do you have a problem with contraceptives to prevent abortions?

What would Jesus say? Why is it that with all the contraceptives available in the past 50 years there still have been 1.5 billion abortions? Are we continue to address responsibility or have you drifted away into never never land trying to justify something unknown?

How did the human race survive when they didn't have rubbers? Rubbers. I haven't heard that term in a long time. Reminds me of a joke. A brute is a man that puts a rubber on with a tire iron.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

padremike wrote:

What would Jesus say? Why is it that with all the contraceptives available in the past 50 years there still have been 1.5 billion abortions? Are we continue to address responsibility or have you drifted away into never never land trying to justify something unknown?

How did the human race survive when they didn't have rubbers? Rubbers. I haven't heard that term in a long time. Reminds me of a joke. A brute is a man that puts a rubber on with a tire iron.

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Do you have a problem with contraceptives to prevent abortions?

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

padremike wrote:

What would Jesus say? Why is it that with all the contraceptives available in the past 50 years there still have been 1.5 billion abortions? Are we continue to address responsibility or have you drifted away into never never land trying to justify something unknown?

How did the human race survive when they didn't have rubbers? Rubbers. I haven't heard that term in a long time. Reminds me of a joke. A brute is a man that puts a rubber on with a tire iron.

Again

Do you have a problem with contraceptives to prevent abortions?

EmilyD

Bad Bob wrote:

Again

Do you have a problem with contraceptives to prevent abortions?

Do you NOT understand padremike's words?

Here they are again....read them slowly so you understand what it is that he has a problem with contraceptives....Ready?

"....Why is it that with all the contraceptives available in the past 50 years there still have been 1.5 billion abortions? ...."

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Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

EmilyD wrote:

Do you NOT understand padremike's words?

Here they are again....read them slowly so you understand what it is that he has a problem with contraceptives....Ready?

"....Why is it that with all the contraceptives available in the past 50 years there still have been 1.5 billion abortions? ...."

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That is a QUESTION not an answer.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Bad Bob wrote:

That is a QUESTION not an answer.

As I understand your question, you believe in both abortion and contraception. What the bloody hell is your point? To my further understanding, responsibility is merely a 14 letter word you twist like Leftists always do to Truth.

EmilyD

Bad Bob wrote:

That is a QUESTION not an answer.

Do you understand it better when it is not a question?

Okay, since you don't seem to understand the concept as a question, I will put it into non-question format for you:

"With all the contraceptives available in the past 50 years, there still have been 1.5 billion abortions."

Do you understand the concept now?

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manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

EmilyD wrote:

Do you understand it better when it is not a question?

Okay, since you don't seem to understand the concept as a question, I will put it into non-question format for you:

"With all the contraceptives available in the past 50 years, there still have been 1.5 billion abortions."

Do you understand the concept now?

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The first thing is there should be no unmarried sex. That is the Lord's prescription.
The second thing is there should be no abortions. None!
Thirdly, if you are violating the first prescription, you are assuming the responsibility for the life you breed if it happens. If neither partner can assume this responsibility for the child together, or individually, they will be so judged by God.
God has prescribed that man should not spill his seed on the ground, which implies not into a rubber either. And so, a female that accepts a contraceptive is by analogy throwing her partner's seed on the ground. They will be judged for this.
Thus, to satisfy the lust for sex without first having marriage and by using contraceptives, is to reject the prescriptions of God. Thus, you are acting in a non-Christian religious manner, which is your right of free determination, of course. Comes judgement time, you will face God. Let us hope He is a very understanding and charitable God. We are all sinners, of course, of one or more kinds of sin, and Jesus went to the cross to give us forgiveness for all time. Many believe that is the key to free sex, automatically deducted from the list of your sins. The Bible, however, says go forth and sin no more. Jesus said confess your sins and you will be forgiven. Your choice! All too many choose free sex, atheists and agnostics in the lead, I suppose.

A further note: An embryo and a fetus contain all the information for the creation of a living person, and thus are proto-persons due all that persons are due. So, there are no times at which an abortion is ok, with the one exception of demise or deadly configuration to life of the baby in Situ, or for death of the mother for natural reasons.

EmilyD

manning5me wrote:

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This is my opinion (and my belief):

First of all there is abstention. That works above all else in preventing pregnancy. Then there is natural family planning as a contraceptive (we called it the rhythm method) all the way to abortion. In between those two is a pretty large selection of preventing pregnancies.

People who claim that "no" form of contraceptive is acceptable because it goes against God are deluding themselves. If that were the case, abstention and natural family planning would be unacceptable, and that would be very destructive for humanity! We are to "go forth and multiply"! 🙂

The methods that are frowned upon by religious groups are the ones where a pregnancy begins, but it is terminated unnaturally because of reasons relating to inconvenience...such as most abortions. (There are exceptions to these, of course, but those exceptions usually revolve around emergencies related to the death of the mother.) If conception is not fulfilled when a man and woman have sex, then a life will not need to be terminated, which is what is paramount in a Christian's belief that God created life, and it is only God who can take it away.

It's a pretty simple concept. I believe it has been the Roman Catholic church which has been the "strictest" among all the religions regarding contraception. I'm not sure if it accepts it now, and if so, which type is "accepted", but I would be surprised if they don't accept some form of contraception, considering what their current Pope is advocating...

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Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

padremike wrote:

As I understand your question, you believe in both abortion and contraception. What the bloody hell is your point? To my further understanding, responsibility is merely a 14 letter word you twist like Leftists always do to Truth.

Just a simple question, Do you have a problem with contraceptives to prevent abortions? Yes or no.

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

EmilyD wrote:

Well...first of all there is abstention. That work... (show quote)

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In my view, Christians thar reject sex for religious reasons are not delusional, and one's that reject contraception are not delusional, they are obeying God. They do not necessarily view others that believe in contraception as sinning, for it has a number of contrasting views in Christian religious orthodoxy, and even within a given church and Minister.
The rest of the world is heading towards overpopulation, and many serious problems that result, making contraception a more desirable alternative, so some theologians are finding justification for it.
Pick your poison! It is a matter of commitment to a belief.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

manning5me wrote:

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Add that unrepented sin cannot enter into heaven. Sin establishes a barrier between man & God. To sin and seek forgiveness is to be human. To sin and not seek forgiveness is to be of the demons.

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

padremike wrote:

Add that unrepented sin cannot enter into heaven. Sin establishes a barrier between man & God. To sin and seek forgiveness is to be human. To sin and not seek forgiveness is to be of the demons.

Agreed!