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Feb 19, 2024 15:05:29   #
biffisbuff
 
I feel like pointing something out to everyone...but first I have a neutral stance on a******n...I understand that it's a passionate subject for many and it doesn't matter which side you you support.i would like to see a change with the term.."prolife" unless you are truly prolife and that would mean you are anti war...anti capitol punishment... anything that causes death other than natural ways ... otherwise it makes more sense to claim you are pro baby...now I am not degrading anyone... however I have observed an abundance of religious folks over many decades that claim the prolife stance for a******n...but also the front of the line with eye for eye and death penalty for many that have k**led...

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Feb 19, 2024 15:09:58   #
martsiva
 
biffisbuff wrote:
I feel like pointing something out to everyone...but first I have a neutral stance on a******n...I understand that it's a passionate subject for many and it doesn't matter which side you you support.i would like to see a change with the term.."prolife" unless you are truly prolife and that would mean you are anti war...anti capitol punishment... anything that causes death other than natural ways ... otherwise it makes more sense to claim you are pro baby...now I am not degrading anyone... however I have observed an abundance of religious folks over many decades that claim the prolife stance for a******n...but also the front of the line with eye for eye and death penalty for many that have k**led...
I feel like pointing something out to everyone...b... (show quote)


Have the many that have k**led been defenseless babies??

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Feb 19, 2024 15:19:10   #
American Vet
 
biffisbuff wrote:
I feel like pointing something out to everyone...but first I have a neutral stance on a******n...I understand that it's a passionate subject for many and it doesn't matter which side you you support.i would like to see a change with the term.."prolife" unless you are truly prolife and that would mean you are anti war...anti capitol punishment... anything that causes death other than natural ways ... otherwise it makes more sense to claim you are pro baby...now I am not degrading anyone... however I have observed an abundance of religious folks over many decades that claim the prolife stance for a******n...but also the front of the line with eye for eye and death penalty for many that have k**led...
I feel like pointing something out to everyone...b... (show quote)



Do you see any difference between the lawful execution of someone who has committed a heinous crime of some sort, and an innocent unborn child?

The term 'pro-life' typically applies to a person opposed to a******n. The attempt to apply that murderers, etc. is apples and oranges.

As a side note, many 'pro-life' people are opposed to capital punishment.

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Feb 19, 2024 15:39:54   #
biffisbuff
 
martsiva wrote:
Have the many that have k**led been defenseless babies??


That is something I don't know...but I do think that if the powers that be can find a balance with the a******n laws and regulations in a way that everyone gets some of what they want then that may be the better way to move on.... a******n should not be used for simply birth control....and also it's not even fair nor should it be expected for a female to have been assaulted or forced to have intercourse and become pregnant...no one anywhere has the right to make her carry that baby if she doesn't want to... don't tell me about adopting either because there is that 8-9 month of before viable or close.....a female with a child conceived by assault also is not some plan from God so no need to cross that bridge

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Feb 19, 2024 22:01:00   #
biffisbuff
 
American Vet wrote:
Do you see any difference between the lawful execution of someone who has committed a heinous crime of some sort, and an innocent unborn child?

The term 'pro-life' typically applies to a person opposed to a******n. The attempt to apply that murderers, etc. is apples and oranges.

As a side note, many 'pro-life' people are opposed to capital punishment.

I certainly do Mr.A.V.and I'm not trying to be persnickety as I also am a veteran....I consider myself to be neutral but then I find myself at odds with the no exemption crowd...it's just wrong for anyone to force a rape victom or incest to carry a baby if she doesn't want to...and absolutely no male should be allowed to dictate the rules...if only for the fact that before some male can dictate... first the male has to be pregnant and went through all the motions to have any day...and yes I'm aware of my statement...which means the congressional males should maybe sit this one out....

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Feb 19, 2024 22:02:45   #
David L Loc: Central Wisconsin
 
American Vet wrote:
By that logic (which completely eludes a thinking impaired person such as you), then it is OK to murder any child (or even an adult) who cannot care for themselves.

You must be a l*****t.......


Bad Bob should definitely be aborted. It's never too late.

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Feb 19, 2024 22:20:27   #
American Vet
 
biffisbuff wrote:
I certainly do


Then explain the difference. Tell me why an innocent unborn child needs to be k**led.

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Feb 20, 2024 00:12:05   #
coelacanth Loc: Michigan swamp
 
American Vet wrote:
Then explain the difference. Tell me why an innocent unborn child needs to be k**led.


They won't just say the word "convenience".

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Feb 20, 2024 08:28:44   #
American Vet
 
coelacanth wrote:
They won't just say the word "convenience".



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Feb 20, 2024 08:36:33   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
biffisbuff wrote:
I certainly do Mr.A.V.and I'm not trying to be persnickety as I also am a veteran....I consider myself to be neutral but then I find myself at odds with the no exemption crowd...it's just wrong for anyone to force a rape victom or incest to carry a baby if she doesn't want to...and absolutely no male should be allowed to dictate the rules...if only for the fact that before some male can dictate... first the male has to be pregnant and went through all the motions to have any day...and yes I'm aware of my statement...which means the congressional males should maybe sit this one out....
I certainly do Mr.A.V.and I'm not trying to be per... (show quote)


Shallow and destructive thinking. A wife can have an a******n without consulting with her husband or getting his permission. Throw the nuclear family into the sewer along with the redefinition of marriage.

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Feb 20, 2024 12:51:15   #
martsiva
 
biffisbuff wrote:
That is something I don't know...but I do think that if the powers that be can find a balance with the a******n laws and regulations in a way that everyone gets some of what they want then that may be the better way to move on.... a******n should not be used for simply birth control....and also it's not even fair nor should it be expected for a female to have been assaulted or forced to have intercourse and become pregnant...no one anywhere has the right to make her carry that baby if she doesn't want to... don't tell me about adopting either because there is that 8-9 month of before viable or close.....a female with a child conceived by assault also is not some plan from God so no need to cross that bridge
That is something I don't know...but I do think th... (show quote)


Ok - let me rephrase my question - were the defenseless aborted babies themselves, k**lers?? Name the states that deny a******n to rape victims! Adoption is a HUGE OPTION and many people gladly wait for the 9 month period for a child to be born!! Many people who want to adopt a baby have to go overseas to adopt because a******n limits them in this country! I know that first hand since this happened in my own family!! I never said a child conceived by sexual assault was God`s plan! I do know that many who get pregnant this way never get a******ns and love the child unconditionally! I`ve read their stories!

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Feb 20, 2024 14:49:54   #
Ronald 1947
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
Yes, they are coming for our freedom of choice and ability to make personal healthcare decisions. As a result of the Supreme Court ruling overturning Roe V. Wade, one in three women of reproductive age, plus t***s and nonbinary people, are blocked from a******n care in their home state.

Please read this statement and let it sit with you for a moment: More than 64000 women and girls have been forced to give birth because they were raped in states that implemented a******n bans after Roe v. Wade was overruled.¹

Not surprisingly, this week, the New York Times confirmed that if elected President- Donald Trump would pave the way for a national a******n ban.² I believe that it won't stop there; MAGA extremists will then push to prevent all forms of birth control.

"Trump is a liar. This confirms Trump can & will ban a******n nationwide, even without the support of Congress, if he is elected. A second Trump term would be devastating, and we cannot allow that to happen. Not now, and not ever." - Mini Timmaraju, Reproductive Freedom for All

"It's no secret: Donald Trump overturned Roe v. Wade, bragged about it, and is pushing for a nationwide a******n ban. No one is safe from the extreme MAGA agenda." - Senator Elizabeth Warren

Another related issue is that deaths in childbirth also increased significantly in those states prohibiting a******n. I do not recall the exact percentage at present, but it is real and significant. So far as I’m concerned, trump is causing the deaths of thousands of women who did not need to die. I blame much or most of those deaths on religions which support halting a******ns. Perhaps these are unintended consequences, but those women are dying unnecessarily as a result of religions and the GOP. It is way past time to stop the church from interfering with medical care of women. Religions are, IMO, only doing this to make available more children to brainwash into believing their s**m is reality. No evidence or proof exists that any gods have ever existed. Not one fact or verifiable piece of evidence.
Yes, they are coming for our freedom of choice and... (show quote)

One thing that is fact is that the constitution gives us the freedom of life, it does not give us the freedom of k*****g children.

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Feb 20, 2024 18:11:01   #
Big dog
 
Ronald 1947 wrote:
One thing that is fact is that the constitution gives us the freedom of life, it does not give us the freedom of k*****g children.


Amen

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Feb 20, 2024 19:35:53   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
padremike wrote:
What sort of immature thinking says it's too late to accept responsibility? No wonder you're a dunce. What sort of evil bastards believe murdering a child is preferable to poverty? Where is it written that accepting responsibility and raising an unexpected child must lead to poverty. Remember Bobby what happens when you assume. You make an ass out of yourself. For all either of us know we both may have been conceived at an inconvient time. My parents accepted responsibilities. Do you know who your father is?
What sort of immature thinking says it's too late ... (show quote)


Accepting responsibilities, do you include contraception?

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Feb 20, 2024 21:43:44   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Accepting responsibilities, do you include contraception?


Let me see if I understand your question. Basically, you wanted to know if I was prepared to care for children who the mothers intended to abort. I declined because the responsibility falls on the parents not society and not me, you either. If we choose to accept responsibility that's a different issue.

So Bobby, how is it my responsibility to include contraception as part of the responsibility for people engaging in coitus?

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