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Jan 8, 2024 12:33:33   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Justice101 wrote:
You apparently have "Pelosi logic" as explained in the following:

Yesterday on "ABC This Week" with George Stephanopoulos had Nancy Pelosi on his show where she said that states can overrule the U.S. Constitution and ban Trump from the presidential ballot. Yes, really.

Pelosi appeared on "This Week" to discuss Trump’s appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court to keep his name on the Colorado ballot.

Stephanopoulos appeared stunned by Pelosi's suggestion.

If you believe he engaged in insurrection under the plain meaning of the 14th Amendment, you believe he's ineligible to be president?

Pelosi, barely understandable, mumbled:
[Unitelligible] up to the states. They have different laws from state to state. I don't think he should ever have been president. But nonetheless, [unintelligible] there's a view of the Constitution — Article 14, Section 3 — that says he should not be able to run for president, but that's not the point.

The point now is, again ... different states have different laws. We don't think in California that it applies, um, in our state. ... But anyway ... that's very intricate. What is very clear is that the American people want us to honor our oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

So, to protect and defend the Constitution, Pelosi believes [Democrat] states should "overrule" it and ban Donald Trump from running for president in those states. Perfect "logic" — "Pelosi logic," that is.

While Pelosi was short on specifics and long on conjecture — all the while barely coherent — it was clear that she was employing an age-old Democrat strategy, this time concerning the U.S. Constitution, which is to pick and choose between parts of one of America's founding documents.

The parts you don't like? Ignore them. And the parts you like? Embrace them — or in Pelosi's case, bend and shape them to interpret them to suit your needs. In this case, nothing short of banning Donald Trump from the 2024 presidential election. That is profound — even for Nancy Pelosi.

-Mike Miller
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Jan 8, 2024 12:58:46   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Do you vote? Is not America an example of democracy in action? Would you prefer a dictatorship? A democratic government is one where the people choose. If this is not the case then America is not a democracy.

But actually, you are right. America is no longer a democracy. It has become, to coin a phrase, a corpocracy. People no longer choose. Corporations choose and as George Carlin said, ‘our owners’ choose.


We have always been a Constitutional Republic.
Government type
constitutional federal republic
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/united-states/
Know Your
Voting Rights
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Jan 8, 2024 13:52:35   #
martsiva
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I believe you support Trump. You do not give a dam about democracy.


Say what?? So the communist supporting traitor in the White House now, that YOU support, gives a damn about democracy?? The communist supporting traitor in the White House now you said this country would be better with him in charge?? The communist traitor in the White House now who supports the censorship of our right to free speech - a right you have attacked more than once!! You don`t like our country - you don`t like our Constitution - you don`t like our freedoms and haven`t got the guts to admit what you are - a communist supporter!!

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Jan 8, 2024 13:55:29   #
pegw
 
JFlorio wrote:
I recently posted a question on one of the threads.
Should a Secretary of State be able to take Biden off the ballot in their state because they believe he is cognitively impaired? Every time, on this site, I post a question about Biden, not Trump, I get no response from the left. Are they admitting they have no answers or they just can't debate?


I think this is impossible. The XXV amendment covers disability and succession. Section 4 covers how the president can be removed. There has to be a majority of the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body body as Congress may by law provide. the amendment goes on, and the president pro tempore of the Senate and the speaker of the house, their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue.
Notice not anywhere does it say anything about a state official doing anything.
The XXV amendment is readily available on the internet. You should read the whole amendment

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Jan 8, 2024 14:00:28   #
martsiva
 
Kevyn wrote:
There are three requirements to hold the office, natural born citizen, thirty five years of age and not supporting or partaking in insurrection. Biden meets all three Trump doesn’t.


We all keep waiting for you to show us how Trump participated in any insurrection!! We keep waiting for your proof that Trump supported an insurrection!! We keep waiting for you to show where Trump was charged with insurrection!!

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Jan 8, 2024 14:03:05   #
martsiva
 
tomhoff24 wrote:
Yes,every state has the ability to take anyone off the ballot- democrat,republican,independent


No they do not!! The 14th amendment says only Congress can do that!! What an ignorant comment!!

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Jan 8, 2024 14:06:38   #
martsiva
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Well you don’t support Biden so you must think Trump is the best for your country. Must be a Putin lover like Donny.


A Putin lover like Donny?? And your proof of this is what and where?? Biden has already proven he is a communist Xi lover!! That is why you support him!!

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Jan 8, 2024 14:09:45   #
martsiva
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Do you vote? Is not America an example of democracy in action. Would you prefer a dictatorship. A democratic government is one where the people choose. If this is not the case then America is not a democracy.

But actually you are right. American is no longer a democracy. It has become, to coin a phrase, a corpocracy. People no longer choose. Corporations choose and as George Carlin said, ‘our owners’ choose.


Tell us how unelected Democrat judges who have NO authority to dictate who people cannot vote for are promoting democracy!

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Jan 8, 2024 14:10:04   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
pegw wrote:
I think this is impossible. The XXV amendment covers disability and succession. Section 4 covers how the president can be removed. There has to be a majority of the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body body as Congress may by law provide. the amendment goes on, and the president pro tempore of the Senate and the speaker of the house, their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue.
Notice not anywhere does it say anything about a state official doing anything.
The XXV amendment is readily available on the internet. You should read the whole amendment
I think this is impossible. The XXV amendment cove... (show quote)


I know that. You just proved my point. A court of Law has to determine Trump was an insurrectionist before the 14th Amendment could even be considered. However; you and your ilk think it's O.K. to strike an opponent off the ballot who has not even been charged with said offense. Do you not see your hypocrisy here?
So, you are O.K. with tyrant Biden trying to have his opponent thrown off the ballot; you know. like they do in third world countries?

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Jan 8, 2024 14:13:11   #
martsiva
 
Kevyn wrote:
He doesn’t need to be convicted, read the text of the amendment it is clear.


He WASN`T CHARGED with insurrection and you just keep on making a fool of yourself!!

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Jan 8, 2024 14:14:07   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
martsiva wrote:
He WASN`T CHARGED with insurrection and you just keep on making a fool of yourself!!


He's not making, he is.

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Jan 8, 2024 14:30:14   #
martsiva
 
JFlorio wrote:
He's not making, he is.


All the time!!

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Jan 8, 2024 15:47:38   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
RascalRiley wrote:
The broader question is, should a SoS be allowed to take any candidate off the primary ballot in their state.

Those that believe in states rights might argue yes. If a SoS deemed a candidate a threat to democracy in their state it could be argued that it is their duty to protect the citizens they have sworn an oath to protect.

On the other hand, in this instance it has federal significance and may be beyond the mandate of a state SoS.

States rights is a trick issue and SCOTUS will be dammed by some either way.
The broader question is, should a SoS be allowed t... (show quote)


It should be voted on by the PEOPLE in each state .One person I don't care who or what position they hold should have the ability or right to take a whole states right to choose who they want for president away from them

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Jan 8, 2024 15:52:41   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Knightlady wrote:
Well, to be a devils advocate, the same can be said regarding Trump. That's it on that part. I wish the Democrats would actually have people running on the ticket besides Biden so their poor party would have a choice. No wonder they're so mad at everyone ( with exceptions of course )

I also wish other candidates would get more assertive. But, you can't hear them because of all the Biden/Trump grudge match stuff.


Very true this is building up to be a game of KING OF THE HILL. They need to cut to the important stuff and grow up on both sides. Apparently the right decided they needed to play the lefts game both need a swift kick in the A**

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Jan 8, 2024 16:04:39   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
JFlorio wrote:
I recently posted a question on one of the threads.
Should a Secretary of State be able to take Biden off the ballot in their state because they believe he is cognitively impaired? Every time, on this site, I post a question about Biden, not Trump, I get no response from the left. Are they admitting they have no answers or they just can't debate?


I think you've trapped them, Jim. They cannot use the the saying, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" because either way they lose. 😂

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