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Dec 24, 2023 17:40:18   #
Ricktloml
 
EmilyD wrote:
I don't disagree with you at all! I would fall under the category of "Maga" I suppose, although that is a newly made up word by the left. It still stands for "Make America Great Again", though.

And I wholeheartedly AM anti-Biden! He is ruining this country and rubbing it in our faces! And yes, it is your party that "installed" this man who is doing that to us. So if you want to label me "anti-Democrat" then go right ahead. I am what I am.
I don't disagree with you at all! I would fall und... (show quote)


Odd how Gestapo Joe supporters don't mind his influence peddling...to our enemies. Wonder why Communist China was allowed to float their spy balloon over the entire country before it was shot down...Gestapo Joe has influence peddling debts to pay, and now that he is in a position to pay-off those debts with treason, it seems to be just fine/dandy with the Democrat-Communist Party/American Left as long as they can hold onto power. Remember it is the American-Left/Democrat-communist Party that wants to "fundamentally transform" this country from a free society based on individual liberty/freedom of speech into just another Left-Wing power grab that has failed-every-time-it's-tried. How stupid do you have to be to fall for the same lies/empty promises that have been proven wrong EACH/EVERY time they are tried. Not only that, think of the millions who have been murdered by these Left-Wing, power hungry tyrants...who now want to silence/kill freedom loving Americans. If you support Left-Wing/socialist/communist policies for this country...you are anti-American/anti individual freedom/anti-free speech. As the saying goes...you go girl...and more power to you

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Dec 24, 2023 17:54:35   #
EmilyD
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Odd how Gestapo Joe supporters don't mind his influence peddling...to our enemies. Wonder why Communist China was allowed to float their spy balloon over the entire country before it was shot down...Gestapo Joe has influence peddling debts to pay, and now that he is in a position to pay-off those debts with treason, it seems to be just fine/dandy with the Democrat-Communist Party/American Left as long as they can hold onto power. Remember it is the American-Left/Democrat-communist Party that wants to "fundamentally transform" this country from a free society based on individual liberty/freedom of speech into just another Left-Wing power grab that has failed-every-time-it's-tried. How stupid do you have to be to fall for the same lies/empty promises that have been proven wrong EACH/EVERY time they are tried. Not only that, think of the millions who have been murdered by these Left-Wing, power hungry tyrants...who now want to silence/kill freedom loving Americans. If you support Left-Wing/socialist/communist policies for this country...you are anti-American/anti individual freedom/anti-free speech. As the saying goes...you go girl...and more power to you
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Yup....Biden (or his handlers) and Obama are definitely "fundamentally transforming" America -- into a cesspool!

If we let the left continue to drag down this country and us with it, we will regret it for the rest of our days! We MUST put Trump back in office!! He's the only one who has the ability to stop the destruction....hopefully! It may be that by next year, this administration will have completed their goal to the point where it cannot be reversed.

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Dec 24, 2023 18:21:14   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
Oh yes, and by the way, here is a study demonstrating that religious people are NOT more moral than the rest of us. I'll dig up a few more results for you in addition to the one below. So, kindly stop claiming religious morality is better than non-religious morality in building America to the greatst nation in the world with the greatst economy. It did not and you are outright lying. Say, isn't that a violation of the morals you are supposed to conform to? In short, ALL legitimate studies prove that it was, indeed, the economy. Not some lies about religious people being more moral. That had nothing to do with it. Never has anywhere. Decent paychecks did, and those no longer exist, so the economy went down hill, along wiht our greatness as a nation. Religions do nothing but coninue to try to control government and force their beliefs on others. This world will be a far better place to live when the last religion is dead and gone. I'm also amazed that you somehow slept through the 50s nd 60s while the rest of us changed America into the greatest nation on earth, makking racism a bad thing, working for equality for all, and buildinig the greatest economy and quality of life in the world. And the fact is, if you do not have a great economy, you cannot have a great quality of life if you are not in the 1% that is wealhy. Try coming up with something other than more religious lies, please.

https://news.yahoo.com/religious-people-more-moral-170716231.html#:~:text=This%20finding%20has%20now%20been,likely%20believe)%20that%20they%20do.
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The other day you told us that your wife was sick. I gravitated back to one of your obnoxious earlier comments bragging how you both were atheist and that you did not believe man has a soul and then continued to pile on more of your anti-God crap. I thought to myself at the time that this clown (you) was probably influential in guiding his wife to embrace atheism. If so, you're a real bastard. So, what is she to you other than a piece of flesh you're fond of, a room mate? She can't be a soul mate since you willingly denied you have souls. It's impossible to experience sincere, genuine love apart from its only source, God. Godly love is found, albeit in lesser degrees, in all major religions as well as other Truths.. You've reduced your selves to a couple of animals where two can never become one; Instinctual mating like any other lesser animal. Sincere and genuine love cares for, cherishes and protects the soul of a beloved. It's an obligation married couples willingly give to one another. Finally, when either one of you become seriously ill you're reduced to whimpering slugs, you've got no help other than which some physician is limited to. How pathetic. No hope, a submission to nothingness, completely impotent. You can't even pray because you don't know how and you have no one to pray to for help? And you think yourself wise.

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Dec 24, 2023 18:28:33   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
To me, to be acceptably human, you do what you can to preserve democracy, speak the truth as you know it, call out proven lies, try to show others facts when they make false statements, treat all races as equals, support separation of church and state, and support the constitution. Defend the rights of people to live their life without being forced to comply with religious beliefs. Truth, justice, and the American way. Period. I understand false information is being thrust upon people daily, and this is flat wrong and needs corrected and called out when repeated. That's me. Believe it. I'm no god, as no gods exist. I am simply a 79 year old retired engineer who believes in American democracy and who tries to call out lies when they show up.
To me, to be acceptably human, you do what you can... (show quote)
"acceptably human"?
You could have said simply you have no clue what it means to be human.

You are not by any stretch the arbiter of truth and the master of facts in an extremely complex geopolitical world,
a world in which 85% of the people living in it are religious. As were the founders of our nation.

"Science takes things apart to see how they work;
Religion puts thing together to see what they mean."

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Dec 24, 2023 18:36:20   #
American Vet
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
Looks like his stated intent to violate the constitution by negotiating a third presidential term, his attempted insurrection and attempt to overthrow the will of the voters and have illegal electors declare him president wasn't clear enough for you? And his public statement that he was not required by oath to support the constitution ? And his recent Hitler style comments about the immigrants destroying American blood? Shall I continue? Add these to my prior remarks and tell me again how he is a truthful man who will uphold democracy and will not violate the constitution or destroy democracy with his refusal to follow the constitution and our election process? I'll wait. I guess you trust a guy who refuses to follow our constitution, violates our laws in an attempt to overturn a legitimate election, and who is an obvious racist in his own words. Not to mention the several other nazi-like actions he has undertaken.
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So you are not able to produce any evidence that Trump said he would ‘destroy democracy’.

You join the ranks of other lying leftists.

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Dec 24, 2023 18:37:19   #
American Vet
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
To me, to be acceptably human, you do what you can to preserve democracy, speak the truth as you know it, call out proven lies, try to show others facts when they make false statements, treat all races as equals, support separation of church and state, and support the constitution. Defend the rights of people to live their life without being forced to comply with religious beliefs. Truth, justice, and the American way. Period. I understand false information is being thrust upon people daily, and this is flat wrong and needs corrected and called out when repeated. That's me. Believe it. I'm no god, as no gods exist. I am simply a 79 year old retired engineer who believes in American democracy and who tries to call out lies when they show up.
To me, to be acceptably human, you do what you can... (show quote)


You are also a liar.

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Dec 24, 2023 18:43:04   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
To me, to be acceptably human, you do what you can to preserve democracy, speak the truth as you know it, call out proven lies, try to show others facts when they make false statements, treat all races as equals, support separation of church and state, and support the constitution. Defend the rights of people to live their life without being forced to comply with religious beliefs. Truth, justice, and the American way. Period. I understand false information is being thrust upon people daily, and this is flat wrong and needs corrected and called out when repeated. That's me. Believe it. I'm no god, as no gods exist. I am simply a 79 year old retired engineer who believes in American democracy and who tries to call out lies when they show up.
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And your comment proves that you're also a common moral relativist. A moral relativist stands squarely between an atheist and a nihilist. You've got a lot going against you.

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Dec 24, 2023 19:29:11   #
valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
This post is a mix of my own thoughts and understandings of facts vs. lies with those of another intelligent individual who previously posted the basis in response to a boatload of known prevarications posted by a MAGA hat idiot spewing more lies. Yes, Biden is a lousy president, but nowhere near as bad as trump, a thrice convicted con artist, fraudster, and sexual predator. Found guilty of these in three different courts of law including by a jury. And still under 91 indictments. So, here is another dose of truth, justice, and the American way – or what it was before trump was president. And anyone paying attention to trump promising to destroy democracy and violate the constitution really needs to think about what they are doing to this nation. And they need to cease believing anything on FOX, CNN, or MSNBC. And try to recall what America was like when we were a great nation with a great economy. And then get a valid education on exactly what brought us down, who did it, and why voting for the GOP and/or trump is a vote to continue destroying America’s greatness and our economy. Quotes below are from the previous author. Please note that anyone disagreeing with the messages below has exactly no proof of any of their claims to disagree, as the facts are not with them.

“a collapsing stock market,.” ‘Hogwash. The last time the market fell significantly, Trump was president. It cost me over $2,000 before I got out. And the market is coming up again now. And before that, Bush virtually destroyed the market, causing the “Great Recession.’ And the Great Depression was the direct result of GOP president Coolidge cutting taxes for the rich, eventually resulting in a huge balloon in the stock market values, and then the market crashed because of the balloon created by the wealthy having even more money to spend and nothing to spend it on that they needed money for. And THAT began the Great Depression.

“▪ government overreach and expansion,” ‘That is strictly a matter of opinion. I define overreach and expansion as the GOP pushing anti-abortion measures which violate the constitutional principle of separation of church and state.’ And I agree. Abortion is no one’s business but the persons directly involved and their doctor(s).

“▪ out of control national debt and increased government spending.” ‘ Trump set the standard for that when he cut taxes on the rich, causing the largest increase in the deficit in many years.’

“▪ politically weaponized DOJ, FBI and CIA.” ‘Nothing here but opinion and horse manure.’

“▪ the diluting of our educational standards and educational system,” ‘More BS. The education system has been being dumbed down for over 50 years, largely by the conservatives…’ and the churches refusing to increase pay for teachers or teaching science rather than religion, resulting in the best and brightest getting non-teaching jobs. Not to mention the spate of book banning going on, led by the GOP and the idiot governor of my state of residence, Florida.

“▪ crippling the American energy industry,” ‘More total BS. No truth in this, what so ever.’ Our energy industry is more profitable than ever, and we actually export crude oil. We have no need to import oil. America is totally oil independent. And the idiot Trump opened up our strategic reserves that were being held back for military purposes just so he could get lower prices – I ask at what cost?

“▪ stifling small businesses and business in general.” ‘The BS never stops with you, does it? Total hog wash. Small businesses are only hurt when the GOP passes laws designed to help major corporations, which is what they have been doing for the last 50 years. Give me an example of where they helped small businesses. I’ve never heard of one worth a dang.’ I’ll wait for your answer. Try finding one that contains at least some truth. You won’t, because your statement was nothing but one more lie.

“▪ increasing prices of goods and essentials outpacing wage increases for the middle class,” ‘No surprise here.’ The GOP has been doing this for over 53 years, ultimately resulting in today’s situation of workers gaining around 10 percent in wages over that 50+ year period while the corporate level and wealthy gained 300 to over 1,200 percent. Thus resulting in the current wide disparity in incomes in the US. Another fact is that in that 50+ year period, the top paid 1 percent have increased their ownership of all of America’s wealth from about 35 percent to about 50 percent. Fact is, approximately 40 percent of wage earners today are paid at or below the official poverty value. Facts show the Dems contributed to this as well, voting for such things as free trade with China, “Right to Work acts,” and immigration regulations allowing up to 140,000 foreigners a year to be hired by US companies and relocated to the US, taking good paying jobs from Americans. And this is exactly what trump is pushing as great economics. He has stated he wants more of the same for us (but says it will “Make America Great Again.” His support of corporations and the rich is exactly what destroyed our greatness over the last 50 years, and you have to be really stupid to believe his claims. They are just more lies.


“▪ continued tax increases across the board,” ‘About time! Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy hurt our economy by hugely increasing the deficit. Want to solve the deficit increases? Tax the wealthy fairly and get rid of the tax loop holes the rich like Trump use to pay no taxes, further increasing the deficit. You cannot have it both ways. ‘ And this is absolute truth!!!


“▪ the ongoing fight to limit or deny our Constitutional rights.” That’s the biggest lie so far. Trump is responsible for inciting an insurrection for the purpose of ending democracy,’ lied like a snake about voting fraud, violating his oath of office,” and stated on the record that as president, he is not obligated to “support the constitution.” And now, that ultimate scammer actually stated on camera that after he wins election in 2024, in 2028, he will simply negotiate his return to office, in violation of the constitution, which he believes does not apply to him. In addition to supporting the efforts of evangelicals to ban abortions, an obvious violation of separation of church and state another denial of our constitutional rights to be free of religion if we so chose. And the SCOTUS approved killing the Roe V. Wade law because the GOP appointed the majority and financially bribes a couple of the Supreme Court judges as well, after refusing to let the democrats replace a member while Obama was in power. Just more scumbag political acts of the GOP in violation of everything America once stood for, and doing everything they can to support the corporate interests and the wealthy in their efforts to continue holding wages down and shove more in their own pockets. “And all the GOP has in this category is the democrat’s efforts to pass some rational controls on buying and selling guns to reduce the slaughter of innocents by idiots and criminals.”


“▪ increased crime and reduced penalties for said crimes.” ‘Don’t think I understand this one. Crime increased under trump due to increasing poverty. I’d like to see your evidence for increasing crime under Biden. I looked it up on the FBI website for trump’s record on this. And as I recall, most of the criminals recently released early were serving time for marijuana violations.’ Whoopie Do. That’s legal now in a lot of states, and more is coming. Just more hogwash from the liars at the GOP.


“▪ a nation without borders,” More hogwash. I’m waiting to listen to the republicans whine about the rising cost of harvesting fruit in the US. Historically, back in the 40’s, according to the INS, we had approximately 11 million people here from south of our border. Nobody from the poor immigrants group is taking jobs from Americans. They are doing jobs Americans will not do, such as picking strawberries and oranges here in Florida. I drive by strawberry fields and orange groves almost daily in season, and it is pretty obvious that white Americans are not there. This whole thing has the stench of racism about it. Living in Florida, I regularly see exactly who picks our fruit. And it is primarily Spanish speaking people, male and female.


“▪ government (Ds and Rs) ignoring and violating their oath of office to protect our citizens and this nation.” ‘Was that the result of Trump kissing up to Kim Yung Un, or asking Li Jinn Ping and Vladimir Putin to help him win the presidency?’ I watched his lips move when he asked for that help on public TV. “Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about.”


“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support wars that are not in our national interest.” ‘Seems like a majority of Americans support that effort and support Israel’s right to exist. And I do believe Hamas struck first. And your statement is absolutely a matter of opinion. Not a fact.’


“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support enemy nations.” ‘Which enemy nations? Name them. And I will bet they are counted. Which of our enemies are you claiming we are sending money to? I suspect this is another case of a matter of opinion, not a fact. But since you failed to name names, you did not provide much to go on. Are you suggesting Canada is our enemy?? Put up or shut up. Facts matter. Unsupported allegations do not.’


“▪ officials violating their oath of office by aiding and abetting our self professed enemies by handing them billions of dollars of hi-tech weapons and military equipment making them one of the top fighting forces in the world.” ‘Nice to see you know what trump did. But exactly which “self-professed” enemies are you talking about? It is difficult to address statements that actually say nothing because the information provided means nothing except to the person writing it.’ and they failed to identify which enemies, meaning that, actually, there were none. So, cease the lies. We know you are lying. Who is paying you to lie for trump?


“▪ providing favors and information to long term national enemies in turn for self riches.” ‘Last I read of the transcripts involved in the attempt to impeach Biden, there is no valid evidence this occurred. Valid evidence is that which can be confirmed by facts. So far, the transcripts show only supposition and assumptions. No valid evidence.’ And there is still no such verified evidence. Nothing but accusations.

“▪ a weakening and unprepared military, and…” ‘That, again, would be a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact. If you cannot do better than splatter out a slew of opinions without facts and try to claim they are true, you really should not try to get people to believe your posts.’ People with thinking minds are not convinced of anything without verified evidence and the entire story. So, basically, your entire post is nothing but lies and bovine feces. How stupid do you have to be to think that educated, intelligent people will believe the horse manure?

“▪ government attacking, demonizing and penalizing American citizens for exercising their freedom of speech.” ‘Is that akin to trump declaring that when re-elected, he will jail or otherwise get even with those who did not support him? I read the transcript that said almost exactly that. That sounds exactly like what the GOP has stayed busy doing, such as representatives Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert? And frankly, it is my opinion that all political statements should be at least 90 percent true.’ But all we get is lies from both sides. I want term limits!

The truth is that both sides are crooked. As previously stated, I am neither a democrat nor a republican. I vote for the person and his or her morals, intelligence, and honesty. You really need to cease watching Fox news and its lies. I refuse to watch FOX, CNN or MSNBC and their lies. The lies were proven by the PEW Research Group. Back around 2016 or 2017. Their conclusion after approximately one year of study was that the percentages of each source of outright lies, half truths, some truth, or spin were as follows: FOX: 96%, CNN: 94%, MSNBC: 92%. I suggest you not waste your time watching any of these known sources of political falsehoods.
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HOGWASH you stupid slut. You have a super duper case of TDS. ROFLMAO

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Dec 24, 2023 19:31:43   #
Nick Nicholson Loc: Florida, USA
 
microphor wrote:
A lot of us believe there was fruad, hell even some dead people voted, how's that not fruad. Does that make us liars or believe something other then you do. Please don't repeat the "most secure election bullshit".


Regardless of what you may have been told by your sources, not one single lawsuit ever turned up a significant number of falsified democratic votes. They did find some fraudulent republican votes. I don't recall which state. In every case, the number of fraudulent democratic votes, if any, were far too few to affect the outcome. Fact is, not one legal challenge was ever judged to be valid. All were denied or thrown out of court for lack of evidence. And don't insult my intelligence by claiming all those judges were lying democrats. People believing trump's absurd lies about voter fraud have exactly nothing on which to hang their hat. Recorded proof exists of trump attempting to get a Georgia election official to falsify the vote count so he could claim he won the state. A trial is coming up for that attempt at defrauding the voters. Please note that if your source of information is Fox news, a PEW Research group year long study found that 96 percent of every political story Fox news aired was either an outright lie, half truth, some truth, or spin. CNN and MSNBC were not much better. I recommend you personally verify the veracity of the articles supporting anything to do with trump. Most are less than true.

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Dec 24, 2023 19:32:58   #
American Vet
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
Regardless of what you may have been told by your sources, not one single lawsuit ever turned up a significant number of falsified democratic votes. They did find some fraudulent republican votes. I don't recall which state. In every case, the number of fraudulent democratic votes, if any, were far too few to affect the outcome. Fact is, not one legal challenge was ever judged to be valid. All were denied or thrown out of court for lack of evidence. And don't insult my intelligence by claiming all those judges were lying democrats. People believing trump's absurd lies about voter fraud have exactly nothing on which to hang their hat. Recorded proof exists of trump attempting to get a Georgia election official to falsify the vote count so he could claim hevwkn the state. A trial is coming up for that attempt at defrauding the voters. Please note that if your source of information is Fox news, a PEW Research group year long study found that 96 percent of every political story they aired was either an outright lie, half truth, some truth, or spin. CNN and MSNBC were not much better. I recommend you personally verify the veracity of the articles supporting anything to do with trump. Most are less than true.
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What about your absurd lie?

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Dec 24, 2023 19:46:59   #
Nick Nicholson Loc: Florida, USA
 
American Vet wrote:
What about your absurd lie?


What lie? Say it and provide evidence or cease lying.

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Dec 24, 2023 19:51:49   #
American Vet
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
What lie? Say it and provide evidence or cease lying.


You made the claim that Trump said he would ‘destroy democracy’. You have failed to produce any evidence he said that.

You lied.

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Dec 24, 2023 19:57:04   #
Nick Nicholson Loc: Florida, USA
 
valkyrierider wrote:
HOGWASH you stupid slut. You have a super duper case of TDS. ROFLMAO


Ahhh.. Another person with no clue chimes in and calls me names. Obviously, he or she has no valid argument with my assertions, claims, or statements or he/she would have offered proof or evidence. Neither is present because I'm not lying. Here is your chance. Provide your facts proving I'm lying or crawl back into your sewer where you learned profanity.

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Dec 24, 2023 20:04:16   #
Nick Nicholson Loc: Florida, USA
 
American Vet wrote:
You made the claim that Trump said he would ‘destroy democracy’. You have failed to produce any evidence he said that.

You lied.


Wrong as usual. He has said that in many different ways that I have already written you. You do not have to use those exact words when you make it clear that is your goal with your actual attempt to overthrow the government and install yourself as an unelected president. That is clear enough for any thinking thing. I guess facts don't sway your thinking.

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Dec 24, 2023 20:06:22   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
Wrong as usual. He has said that in many different ways that I have already written you. You do not have to use those exact words when you make it clear that is your goal with your actual attempt to overthrow the government and install yourself as an unelected president. That is clear enough for any thinking thing. I guess facts don't sway your thinking.


Biden is doing that right now! His Admin is trying to jail his opponent less than a year before General election!!!

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