A response to the misinformation being spread by MAGA liars
Dec 22, 2023 12:05:25 #
Nick Nicholson
Loc: Florida, USA
This post is a mix of my own thoughts and understandings of facts vs. lies with those of another intelligent individual who previously posted the basis in response to a boatload of known prevarications posted by a MAGA hat i***t spewing more lies. Yes, Biden is a lousy president, but nowhere near as bad as trump, a thrice convicted con artist, fraudster, and sexual predator. Found guilty of these in three different courts of law including by a jury. And still under 91 indictments. So, here is another dose of t***h, justice, and the American way – or what it was before trump was president. And anyone paying attention to trump promising to destroy democracy and violate the constitution really needs to think about what they are doing to this nation. And they need to cease believing anything on FOX, CNN, or MSNBC. And try to recall what America was like when we were a great nation with a great economy. And then get a valid education on exactly what brought us down, who did it, and why v****g for the GOP and/or trump is a v**e to continue destroying America’s greatness and our economy. Quotes below are from the previous author. Please note that anyone disagreeing with the messages below has exactly no proof of any of their claims to disagree, as the facts are not with them.
“a collapsing stock market,.” ‘Hogwash. The last time the market fell significantly, Trump was president. It cost me over $2,000 before I got out. And the market is coming up again now. And before that, Bush virtually destroyed the market, causing the “Great Recession.’ And the Great Depression was the direct result of GOP president Coolidge cutting taxes for the rich, eventually resulting in a huge balloon in the stock market values, and then the market crashed because of the balloon created by the wealthy having even more money to spend and nothing to spend it on that they needed money for. And THAT began the Great Depression.
“▪ government overreach and expansion,” ‘That is strictly a matter of opinion. I define overreach and expansion as the GOP pushing anti-a******n measures which violate the constitutional principle of separation of church and state.’ And I agree. A******n is no one’s business but the persons directly involved and their doctor(s).
“▪ out of control national debt and increased government spending.” ‘ Trump set the standard for that when he cut taxes on the rich, causing the largest increase in the deficit in many years.’
“▪ politically weaponized DOJ, FBI and CIA.” ‘Nothing here but opinion and horse manure.’
“▪ the diluting of our educational standards and educational system,” ‘More BS. The education system has been being dumbed down for over 50 years, largely by the conservatives…’ and the churches refusing to increase pay for teachers or teaching science rather than religion, resulting in the best and brightest getting non-teaching jobs. Not to mention the spate of book banning going on, led by the GOP and the i***t governor of my state of residence, Florida.
“▪ crippling the American energy industry,” ‘More total BS. No t***h in this, what so ever.’ Our energy industry is more profitable than ever, and we actually export crude oil. We have no need to import oil. America is totally oil independent. And the i***t Trump opened up our strategic reserves that were being held back for military purposes just so he could get lower prices – I ask at what cost?
“▪ stifling small businesses and business in general.” ‘The BS never stops with you, does it? Total hog wash. Small businesses are only hurt when the GOP passes laws designed to help major corporations, which is what they have been doing for the last 50 years. Give me an example of where they helped small businesses. I’ve never heard of one worth a dang.’ I’ll wait for your answer. Try finding one that contains at least some t***h. You won’t, because your statement was nothing but one more lie.
“▪ increasing prices of goods and essentials outpacing wage increases for the middle class,” ‘No surprise here.’ The GOP has been doing this for over 53 years, ultimately resulting in today’s situation of workers gaining around 10 percent in wages over that 50+ year period while the corporate level and wealthy gained 300 to over 1,200 percent. Thus resulting in the current wide disparity in incomes in the US. Another fact is that in that 50+ year period, the top paid 1 percent have increased their ownership of all of America’s wealth from about 35 percent to about 50 percent. Fact is, approximately 40 percent of wage earners today are paid at or below the official poverty value. Facts show the Dems contributed to this as well, v****g for such things as free trade with China, “Right to Work acts,” and immigration regulations allowing up to 140,000 foreigners a year to be hired by US companies and relocated to the US, taking good paying jobs from Americans. And this is exactly what trump is pushing as great economics. He has stated he wants more of the same for us (but says it will “Make America Great Again.” His support of corporations and the rich is exactly what destroyed our greatness over the last 50 years, and you have to be really stupid to believe his claims. They are just more lies.
“▪ continued tax increases across the board,” ‘About time! Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy hurt our economy by hugely increasing the deficit. Want to solve the deficit increases? Tax the wealthy fairly and get rid of the tax loop holes the rich like Trump use to pay no taxes, further increasing the deficit. You cannot have it both ways. ‘ And this is absolute t***h!!!
“▪ the ongoing fight to limit or deny our Constitutional rights.” That’s the biggest lie so far. Trump is responsible for inciting an i**********n for the purpose of ending democracy,’ lied like a snake about v****g fraud, violating his oath of office,” and stated on the record that as president, he is not obligated to “support the constitution.” And now, that ultimate s**mmer actually stated on camera that after he wins e******n in 2024, in 2028, he will simply negotiate his return to office, in violation of the constitution, which he believes does not apply to him. In addition to supporting the efforts of evangelicals to ban a******ns, an obvious violation of separation of church and state another denial of our constitutional rights to be free of religion if we so chose. And the SCOTUS approved k*****g the Roe V. Wade law because the GOP appointed the majority and financially bribes a couple of the Supreme Court judges as well, after refusing to let the democrats replace a member while Obama was in power. Just more scumbag political acts of the GOP in violation of everything America once stood for, and doing everything they can to support the corporate interests and the wealthy in their efforts to continue holding wages down and shove more in their own pockets. “And all the GOP has in this category is the democrat’s efforts to pass some rational controls on buying and selling guns to reduce the slaughter of innocents by i***ts and criminals.”
“▪ increased crime and reduced penalties for said crimes.” ‘Don’t think I understand this one. Crime increased under trump due to increasing poverty. I’d like to see your evidence for increasing crime under Biden. I looked it up on the FBI website for trump’s record on this. And as I recall, most of the criminals recently released early were serving time for marijuana violations.’ Whoopie Do. That’s legal now in a lot of states, and more is coming. Just more hogwash from the liars at the GOP.
“▪ a nation without borders,” More hogwash. I’m waiting to listen to the republicans whine about the rising cost of harvesting fruit in the US. Historically, back in the 40’s, according to the INS, we had approximately 11 million people here from south of our border. Nobody from the poor immigrants group is taking jobs from Americans. They are doing jobs Americans will not do, such as picking strawberries and oranges here in Florida. I drive by strawberry fields and orange groves almost daily in season, and it is pretty obvious that w***e A******ns are not there. This whole thing has the stench of r****m about it. Living in Florida, I regularly see exactly who picks our fruit. And it is primarily Spanish speaking people, male and female.
“▪ government (Ds and Rs) ignoring and violating their oath of office to protect our citizens and this nation.” ‘Was that the result of Trump kissing up to Kim Yung Un, or asking Li Jinn Ping and Vladimir Putin to help him win the presidency?’ I watched his lips move when he asked for that help on public TV. “Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about.”
“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support wars that are not in our national interest.” ‘Seems like a majority of Americans support that effort and support Israel’s right to exist. And I do believe Hamas struck first. And your statement is absolutely a matter of opinion. Not a fact.’
“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support enemy nations.” ‘Which enemy nations? Name them. And I will bet they are counted. Which of our enemies are you claiming we are sending money to? I suspect this is another case of a matter of opinion, not a fact. But since you failed to name names, you did not provide much to go on. Are you suggesting Canada is our enemy?? Put up or shut up. Facts matter. Unsupported allegations do not.’
“▪ officials violating their oath of office by aiding and abetting our self professed enemies by handing them billions of dollars of hi-tech weapons and military equipment making them one of the top fighting forces in the world.” ‘Nice to see you know what trump did. But exactly which “self-professed” enemies are you talking about? It is difficult to address statements that actually say nothing because the information provided means nothing except to the person writing it.’ and they failed to identify which enemies, meaning that, actually, there were none. So, cease the lies. We know you are lying. Who is paying you to lie for trump?
“▪ providing favors and information to long term national enemies in turn for self riches.” ‘Last I read of the transcripts involved in the attempt to impeach Biden, there is no valid evidence this occurred. Valid evidence is that which can be confirmed by facts. So far, the transcripts show only supposition and assumptions. No valid evidence.’ And there is still no such verified evidence. Nothing but accusations.
“▪ a weakening and unprepared military, and…” ‘That, again, would be a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact. If you cannot do better than splatter out a slew of opinions without facts and try to claim they are true, you really should not try to get people to believe your posts.’ People with thinking minds are not convinced of anything without verified evidence and the entire story. So, basically, your entire post is nothing but lies and bovine feces. How stupid do you have to be to think that educated, intelligent people will believe the horse manure?
“▪ government attacking, demonizing and penalizing American citizens for exercising their freedom of speech.” ‘Is that akin to trump declaring that when re-elected, he will jail or otherwise get even with those who did not support him? I read the transcript that said almost exactly that. That sounds exactly like what the GOP has stayed busy doing, such as representatives Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert? And frankly, it is my opinion that all political statements should be at least 90 percent true.’ But all we get is lies from both sides. I want term limits!
The t***h is that both sides are crooked. As previously stated, I am neither a democrat nor a republican. I v**e for the person and his or her morals, intelligence, and honesty. You really need to cease watching Fox news and its lies. I refuse to watch FOX, CNN or MSNBC and their lies. The lies were proven by the PEW Research Group. Back around 2016 or 2017. Their conclusion after approximately one year of study was that the percentages of each source of outright lies, half t***hs, some t***h, or spin were as follows: FOX: 96%, CNN: 94%, MSNBC: 92%. I suggest you not waste your time watching any of these known sources of political falsehoods.
“a collapsing stock market,.” ‘Hogwash. The last time the market fell significantly, Trump was president. It cost me over $2,000 before I got out. And the market is coming up again now. And before that, Bush virtually destroyed the market, causing the “Great Recession.’ And the Great Depression was the direct result of GOP president Coolidge cutting taxes for the rich, eventually resulting in a huge balloon in the stock market values, and then the market crashed because of the balloon created by the wealthy having even more money to spend and nothing to spend it on that they needed money for. And THAT began the Great Depression.
“▪ government overreach and expansion,” ‘That is strictly a matter of opinion. I define overreach and expansion as the GOP pushing anti-a******n measures which violate the constitutional principle of separation of church and state.’ And I agree. A******n is no one’s business but the persons directly involved and their doctor(s).
“▪ out of control national debt and increased government spending.” ‘ Trump set the standard for that when he cut taxes on the rich, causing the largest increase in the deficit in many years.’
“▪ politically weaponized DOJ, FBI and CIA.” ‘Nothing here but opinion and horse manure.’
“▪ the diluting of our educational standards and educational system,” ‘More BS. The education system has been being dumbed down for over 50 years, largely by the conservatives…’ and the churches refusing to increase pay for teachers or teaching science rather than religion, resulting in the best and brightest getting non-teaching jobs. Not to mention the spate of book banning going on, led by the GOP and the i***t governor of my state of residence, Florida.
“▪ crippling the American energy industry,” ‘More total BS. No t***h in this, what so ever.’ Our energy industry is more profitable than ever, and we actually export crude oil. We have no need to import oil. America is totally oil independent. And the i***t Trump opened up our strategic reserves that were being held back for military purposes just so he could get lower prices – I ask at what cost?
“▪ stifling small businesses and business in general.” ‘The BS never stops with you, does it? Total hog wash. Small businesses are only hurt when the GOP passes laws designed to help major corporations, which is what they have been doing for the last 50 years. Give me an example of where they helped small businesses. I’ve never heard of one worth a dang.’ I’ll wait for your answer. Try finding one that contains at least some t***h. You won’t, because your statement was nothing but one more lie.
“▪ increasing prices of goods and essentials outpacing wage increases for the middle class,” ‘No surprise here.’ The GOP has been doing this for over 53 years, ultimately resulting in today’s situation of workers gaining around 10 percent in wages over that 50+ year period while the corporate level and wealthy gained 300 to over 1,200 percent. Thus resulting in the current wide disparity in incomes in the US. Another fact is that in that 50+ year period, the top paid 1 percent have increased their ownership of all of America’s wealth from about 35 percent to about 50 percent. Fact is, approximately 40 percent of wage earners today are paid at or below the official poverty value. Facts show the Dems contributed to this as well, v****g for such things as free trade with China, “Right to Work acts,” and immigration regulations allowing up to 140,000 foreigners a year to be hired by US companies and relocated to the US, taking good paying jobs from Americans. And this is exactly what trump is pushing as great economics. He has stated he wants more of the same for us (but says it will “Make America Great Again.” His support of corporations and the rich is exactly what destroyed our greatness over the last 50 years, and you have to be really stupid to believe his claims. They are just more lies.
“▪ continued tax increases across the board,” ‘About time! Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy hurt our economy by hugely increasing the deficit. Want to solve the deficit increases? Tax the wealthy fairly and get rid of the tax loop holes the rich like Trump use to pay no taxes, further increasing the deficit. You cannot have it both ways. ‘ And this is absolute t***h!!!
“▪ the ongoing fight to limit or deny our Constitutional rights.” That’s the biggest lie so far. Trump is responsible for inciting an i**********n for the purpose of ending democracy,’ lied like a snake about v****g fraud, violating his oath of office,” and stated on the record that as president, he is not obligated to “support the constitution.” And now, that ultimate s**mmer actually stated on camera that after he wins e******n in 2024, in 2028, he will simply negotiate his return to office, in violation of the constitution, which he believes does not apply to him. In addition to supporting the efforts of evangelicals to ban a******ns, an obvious violation of separation of church and state another denial of our constitutional rights to be free of religion if we so chose. And the SCOTUS approved k*****g the Roe V. Wade law because the GOP appointed the majority and financially bribes a couple of the Supreme Court judges as well, after refusing to let the democrats replace a member while Obama was in power. Just more scumbag political acts of the GOP in violation of everything America once stood for, and doing everything they can to support the corporate interests and the wealthy in their efforts to continue holding wages down and shove more in their own pockets. “And all the GOP has in this category is the democrat’s efforts to pass some rational controls on buying and selling guns to reduce the slaughter of innocents by i***ts and criminals.”
“▪ increased crime and reduced penalties for said crimes.” ‘Don’t think I understand this one. Crime increased under trump due to increasing poverty. I’d like to see your evidence for increasing crime under Biden. I looked it up on the FBI website for trump’s record on this. And as I recall, most of the criminals recently released early were serving time for marijuana violations.’ Whoopie Do. That’s legal now in a lot of states, and more is coming. Just more hogwash from the liars at the GOP.
“▪ a nation without borders,” More hogwash. I’m waiting to listen to the republicans whine about the rising cost of harvesting fruit in the US. Historically, back in the 40’s, according to the INS, we had approximately 11 million people here from south of our border. Nobody from the poor immigrants group is taking jobs from Americans. They are doing jobs Americans will not do, such as picking strawberries and oranges here in Florida. I drive by strawberry fields and orange groves almost daily in season, and it is pretty obvious that w***e A******ns are not there. This whole thing has the stench of r****m about it. Living in Florida, I regularly see exactly who picks our fruit. And it is primarily Spanish speaking people, male and female.
“▪ government (Ds and Rs) ignoring and violating their oath of office to protect our citizens and this nation.” ‘Was that the result of Trump kissing up to Kim Yung Un, or asking Li Jinn Ping and Vladimir Putin to help him win the presidency?’ I watched his lips move when he asked for that help on public TV. “Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about.”
“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support wars that are not in our national interest.” ‘Seems like a majority of Americans support that effort and support Israel’s right to exist. And I do believe Hamas struck first. And your statement is absolutely a matter of opinion. Not a fact.’
“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support enemy nations.” ‘Which enemy nations? Name them. And I will bet they are counted. Which of our enemies are you claiming we are sending money to? I suspect this is another case of a matter of opinion, not a fact. But since you failed to name names, you did not provide much to go on. Are you suggesting Canada is our enemy?? Put up or shut up. Facts matter. Unsupported allegations do not.’
“▪ officials violating their oath of office by aiding and abetting our self professed enemies by handing them billions of dollars of hi-tech weapons and military equipment making them one of the top fighting forces in the world.” ‘Nice to see you know what trump did. But exactly which “self-professed” enemies are you talking about? It is difficult to address statements that actually say nothing because the information provided means nothing except to the person writing it.’ and they failed to identify which enemies, meaning that, actually, there were none. So, cease the lies. We know you are lying. Who is paying you to lie for trump?
“▪ providing favors and information to long term national enemies in turn for self riches.” ‘Last I read of the transcripts involved in the attempt to impeach Biden, there is no valid evidence this occurred. Valid evidence is that which can be confirmed by facts. So far, the transcripts show only supposition and assumptions. No valid evidence.’ And there is still no such verified evidence. Nothing but accusations.
“▪ a weakening and unprepared military, and…” ‘That, again, would be a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact. If you cannot do better than splatter out a slew of opinions without facts and try to claim they are true, you really should not try to get people to believe your posts.’ People with thinking minds are not convinced of anything without verified evidence and the entire story. So, basically, your entire post is nothing but lies and bovine feces. How stupid do you have to be to think that educated, intelligent people will believe the horse manure?
“▪ government attacking, demonizing and penalizing American citizens for exercising their freedom of speech.” ‘Is that akin to trump declaring that when re-elected, he will jail or otherwise get even with those who did not support him? I read the transcript that said almost exactly that. That sounds exactly like what the GOP has stayed busy doing, such as representatives Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert? And frankly, it is my opinion that all political statements should be at least 90 percent true.’ But all we get is lies from both sides. I want term limits!
The t***h is that both sides are crooked. As previously stated, I am neither a democrat nor a republican. I v**e for the person and his or her morals, intelligence, and honesty. You really need to cease watching Fox news and its lies. I refuse to watch FOX, CNN or MSNBC and their lies. The lies were proven by the PEW Research Group. Back around 2016 or 2017. Their conclusion after approximately one year of study was that the percentages of each source of outright lies, half t***hs, some t***h, or spin were as follows: FOX: 96%, CNN: 94%, MSNBC: 92%. I suggest you not waste your time watching any of these known sources of political falsehoods.
Dec 22, 2023 12:19:26 #
Nick Nicholson wrote:
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You could have put all that into one sentence: "I don't like the GOP and I don't like Trump". That would have covered all those empty words.
You are the most biased Democrat I have ever read on any forum. You can deny that you are, but everything you post is anti-GOP, anti-Trump, anti-Trump supporters and anti-anything else related to the Republican party you can think of.
Call yourself wh**ever you can come up with to make it look like you are the "Mr. Wonderful" that you think you are. What you show yourself to be is an obsessive left-wing flaming liberal grouser, who thinks the Sun, Moon and Universe revolves around you - and only you.
At least the other Democrats and left-wing posters on here know what they are and admit it!
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Dec 22, 2023 12:20:36 #
Nick Nicholson wrote:
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What a windbag.
Dec 22, 2023 12:23:51 #
proud republican
Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
EmilyD wrote:
You could have put all that into one sentence: &qu... (show quote)
Couldn't of said better myself!!
Dec 22, 2023 12:26:40 #
Nick Nicholson wrote:
This post is a mix of my own thoughts and understa... (show quote)
To borrow from an old quote your words are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Dec 22, 2023 12:30:01 #
proud republican wrote:
Couldn't of said better myself!! img src="https:/... (show quote)
Thanks! I get s**k of these "I'm neither Democrat nor Republican, but here's what I think: I h**e Trump, I h**e the GOP, I h**e Conservatives,I h**e Trump, I h**e the GOP, I h**e Conservatives, I h**e Trump, I h**e the GOP........etc., etc. etc...."
Dec 22, 2023 12:38:23 #
Dec 22, 2023 12:51:36 #
Nick Nicholson
Loc: Florida, USA
EmilyD wrote:
You could have put all that into one sentence: &qu... (show quote)
And you remain the purveyor of false inormation you have proven yourself to be, time and again, as you malign me by calling me names that mean nothing and are false. The t***h is, I call out the lies of the republicans, democrats, and MAGA i***ts, which it seems includes you. You don't even have a decent comand of the English language and fail to even understand the names you call me. All you do is spread one lie after another and call facts and t***h lies, with no basis in t***h at all. I try to help my country by getting the t***h out to v**ers, and you make up all kinds of stupid garbage about my intent. You really should learn facts and t***h for a change. I really do not give a hoot that you think of me or my reasons for printing and writing facts and t***h, as I know what you are. A woman without enough sense to even look for t***h and facts. You just accept every lie that is fed to you by the MAGA liars. You really should try learning facts for a change. But you will not, because your mind is made up and you refuse to even consider t***h or facts. So, you call me silly names like a child, thinking you have an effect on me. You do not, because I do not care what anyone thinks of me. Especially liars and fools.
Dec 22, 2023 12:58:01 #
Nick Nicholson
Loc: Florida, USA
Gatsby wrote:
What a windbag.
And another fool comments with no understanding of the facts and t***h. And you cannot disprove anything I wrote because it is the t***h. I guess I will count you in with those people who do not want to be confused with facts and t***h. Let you continue your belief in lies, falsehoods, and a court judged, convicted criminal as a good p**********l candidate.
Dec 22, 2023 13:08:00 #
Nick Nicholson wrote:
And another fool comments with no understanding of the facts and t***h. And you cannot disprove anything I wrote because it is the t***h. I guess I will count you in with those people who do not want to be confused with facts and t***h. Let you continue your belief in lies, falsehoods, and a court judged, convicted criminal as a good p**********l candidate.
Your going to have a big meal soon. Lots and lots of words you will be eating
Dec 22, 2023 13:16:30 #
Nick Nicholson wrote:
And you remain the purveyor of false inormation yo... (show quote)
You make my point almost better than I did!!
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Dec 22, 2023 13:21:52 #
Gatsby wrote:
What a windbag.
Can’t say we didn’t get a steaming pile for Christmas.
Dec 22, 2023 13:38:31 #
EmilyD wrote:
You could have put all that into one sentence: &qu... (show quote)
I especially like the lament..."try to recall when we were a great nation with a great economy". Gee for those who were paying attention THAT was when Trump was president. It is actually astounding just how bad it got as soon as Gestapo Joe "took" office and immediately reversed all of President Trump's policies...then it only got worse as Gestapo Joe implemented his policies. Gestapo Joe gave us the worst inflation in over 40 years. Gestapo Joe is now in a position to pay-off all his influence peddling debts. Americans watched in disgust as Gestapo Joe allowed C*******t China to float a spy balloon across the entire United States BEFORE taking it down...and of course there's Gestapo Joe's $112 BILLION American tax-payer dollar pay-off to Zelensky, er Ukraine. And now that Congress is making noise about cutting off funding to Ukraine...Gestapo Joe is promising Zelensky the $200 million left in already approved funding. It would appear that Gestapo Joe is unconcerned about the will of the American people...is even willing/eager to facilitate World War lll.
Dec 22, 2023 13:46:59 #
Nick Nicholson wrote:
This post is a mix of my own thoughts and understandings of facts vs. lies with those of another intelligent individual who previously posted the basis in response to a boatload of known prevarications posted by a MAGA hat i***t spewing more lies..
Dec 22, 2023 13:51:18 #
Nick Nicholson wrote:
And another fool comments with no understanding of the facts and t***h. And you cannot disprove anything I wrote because it is the t***h. I guess I will count you in with those people who do not want to be confused with facts and t***h. Let you continue your belief in lies, falsehoods, and a court judged, convicted criminal as a good p**********l candidate.
You do not know the difference between facts and opinions, Former President Trump is not a "convicted criminal",
but You are a self "Proven Liar", and Fool enough to think that you can BS intelligent v**ers.
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