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Dec 23, 2023 09:50:25   #
maureenthannon
 
Gatsby, Why are you insulting wind-bags?

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Dec 23, 2023 10:00:13   #
Gatsby
 
maureenthannon wrote:
Gatsby, Why are you insulting wind-bags?


You're right Maureen, mere wind-bags didn't deserve that.

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Dec 23, 2023 10:03:56   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
This post is a mix of my own thoughts and understandings of facts vs. lies with those of another intelligent individual who previously posted the basis in response to a boatload of known prevarications posted by a MAGA hat idiot spewing more lies. Yes, Biden is a lousy president, but nowhere near as bad as trump, a thrice convicted con artist, fraudster, and sexual predator. Found guilty of these in three different courts of law including by a jury. And still under 91 indictments. So, here is another dose of truth, justice, and the American way – or what it was before trump was president. And anyone paying attention to trump promising to destroy democracy and violate the constitution really needs to think about what they are doing to this nation. And they need to cease believing anything on FOX, CNN, or MSNBC. And try to recall what America was like when we were a great nation with a great economy. And then get a valid education on exactly what brought us down, who did it, and why voting for the GOP and/or trump is a vote to continue destroying America’s greatness and our economy. Quotes below are from the previous author. Please note that anyone disagreeing with the messages below has exactly no proof of any of their claims to disagree, as the facts are not with them.

“a collapsing stock market,.” ‘Hogwash. The last time the market fell significantly, Trump was president. It cost me over $2,000 before I got out. And the market is coming up again now. And before that, Bush virtually destroyed the market, causing the “Great Recession.’ And the Great Depression was the direct result of GOP president Coolidge cutting taxes for the rich, eventually resulting in a huge balloon in the stock market values, and then the market crashed because of the balloon created by the wealthy having even more money to spend and nothing to spend it on that they needed money for. And THAT began the Great Depression.

“▪ government overreach and expansion,” ‘That is strictly a matter of opinion. I define overreach and expansion as the GOP pushing anti-abortion measures which violate the constitutional principle of separation of church and state.’ And I agree. Abortion is no one’s business but the persons directly involved and their doctor(s).

“▪ out of control national debt and increased government spending.” ‘ Trump set the standard for that when he cut taxes on the rich, causing the largest increase in the deficit in many years.’

“▪ politically weaponized DOJ, FBI and CIA.” ‘Nothing here but opinion and horse manure.’

“▪ the diluting of our educational standards and educational system,” ‘More BS. The education system has been being dumbed down for over 50 years, largely by the conservatives…’ and the churches refusing to increase pay for teachers or teaching science rather than religion, resulting in the best and brightest getting non-teaching jobs. Not to mention the spate of book banning going on, led by the GOP and the idiot governor of my state of residence, Florida.

“▪ crippling the American energy industry,” ‘More total BS. No truth in this, what so ever.’ Our energy industry is more profitable than ever, and we actually export crude oil. We have no need to import oil. America is totally oil independent. And the idiot Trump opened up our strategic reserves that were being held back for military purposes just so he could get lower prices – I ask at what cost?

“▪ stifling small businesses and business in general.” ‘The BS never stops with you, does it? Total hog wash. Small businesses are only hurt when the GOP passes laws designed to help major corporations, which is what they have been doing for the last 50 years. Give me an example of where they helped small businesses. I’ve never heard of one worth a dang.’ I’ll wait for your answer. Try finding one that contains at least some truth. You won’t, because your statement was nothing but one more lie.

“▪ increasing prices of goods and essentials outpacing wage increases for the middle class,” ‘No surprise here.’ The GOP has been doing this for over 53 years, ultimately resulting in today’s situation of workers gaining around 10 percent in wages over that 50+ year period while the corporate level and wealthy gained 300 to over 1,200 percent. Thus resulting in the current wide disparity in incomes in the US. Another fact is that in that 50+ year period, the top paid 1 percent have increased their ownership of all of America’s wealth from about 35 percent to about 50 percent. Fact is, approximately 40 percent of wage earners today are paid at or below the official poverty value. Facts show the Dems contributed to this as well, voting for such things as free trade with China, “Right to Work acts,” and immigration regulations allowing up to 140,000 foreigners a year to be hired by US companies and relocated to the US, taking good paying jobs from Americans. And this is exactly what trump is pushing as great economics. He has stated he wants more of the same for us (but says it will “Make America Great Again.” His support of corporations and the rich is exactly what destroyed our greatness over the last 50 years, and you have to be really stupid to believe his claims. They are just more lies.


“▪ continued tax increases across the board,” ‘About time! Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy hurt our economy by hugely increasing the deficit. Want to solve the deficit increases? Tax the wealthy fairly and get rid of the tax loop holes the rich like Trump use to pay no taxes, further increasing the deficit. You cannot have it both ways. ‘ And this is absolute truth!!!


“▪ the ongoing fight to limit or deny our Constitutional rights.” That’s the biggest lie so far. Trump is responsible for inciting an insurrection for the purpose of ending democracy,’ lied like a snake about voting fraud, violating his oath of office,” and stated on the record that as president, he is not obligated to “support the constitution.” And now, that ultimate scammer actually stated on camera that after he wins election in 2024, in 2028, he will simply negotiate his return to office, in violation of the constitution, which he believes does not apply to him. In addition to supporting the efforts of evangelicals to ban abortions, an obvious violation of separation of church and state another denial of our constitutional rights to be free of religion if we so chose. And the SCOTUS approved killing the Roe V. Wade law because the GOP appointed the majority and financially bribes a couple of the Supreme Court judges as well, after refusing to let the democrats replace a member while Obama was in power. Just more scumbag political acts of the GOP in violation of everything America once stood for, and doing everything they can to support the corporate interests and the wealthy in their efforts to continue holding wages down and shove more in their own pockets. “And all the GOP has in this category is the democrat’s efforts to pass some rational controls on buying and selling guns to reduce the slaughter of innocents by idiots and criminals.”


“▪ increased crime and reduced penalties for said crimes.” ‘Don’t think I understand this one. Crime increased under trump due to increasing poverty. I’d like to see your evidence for increasing crime under Biden. I looked it up on the FBI website for trump’s record on this. And as I recall, most of the criminals recently released early were serving time for marijuana violations.’ Whoopie Do. That’s legal now in a lot of states, and more is coming. Just more hogwash from the liars at the GOP.


“▪ a nation without borders,” More hogwash. I’m waiting to listen to the republicans whine about the rising cost of harvesting fruit in the US. Historically, back in the 40’s, according to the INS, we had approximately 11 million people here from south of our border. Nobody from the poor immigrants group is taking jobs from Americans. They are doing jobs Americans will not do, such as picking strawberries and oranges here in Florida. I drive by strawberry fields and orange groves almost daily in season, and it is pretty obvious that white Americans are not there. This whole thing has the stench of racism about it. Living in Florida, I regularly see exactly who picks our fruit. And it is primarily Spanish speaking people, male and female.


“▪ government (Ds and Rs) ignoring and violating their oath of office to protect our citizens and this nation.” ‘Was that the result of Trump kissing up to Kim Yung Un, or asking Li Jinn Ping and Vladimir Putin to help him win the presidency?’ I watched his lips move when he asked for that help on public TV. “Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about.”


“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support wars that are not in our national interest.” ‘Seems like a majority of Americans support that effort and support Israel’s right to exist. And I do believe Hamas struck first. And your statement is absolutely a matter of opinion. Not a fact.’


“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support enemy nations.” ‘Which enemy nations? Name them. And I will bet they are counted. Which of our enemies are you claiming we are sending money to? I suspect this is another case of a matter of opinion, not a fact. But since you failed to name names, you did not provide much to go on. Are you suggesting Canada is our enemy?? Put up or shut up. Facts matter. Unsupported allegations do not.’


“▪ officials violating their oath of office by aiding and abetting our self professed enemies by handing them billions of dollars of hi-tech weapons and military equipment making them one of the top fighting forces in the world.” ‘Nice to see you know what trump did. But exactly which “self-professed” enemies are you talking about? It is difficult to address statements that actually say nothing because the information provided means nothing except to the person writing it.’ and they failed to identify which enemies, meaning that, actually, there were none. So, cease the lies. We know you are lying. Who is paying you to lie for trump?


“▪ providing favors and information to long term national enemies in turn for self riches.” ‘Last I read of the transcripts involved in the attempt to impeach Biden, there is no valid evidence this occurred. Valid evidence is that which can be confirmed by facts. So far, the transcripts show only supposition and assumptions. No valid evidence.’ And there is still no such verified evidence. Nothing but accusations.

“▪ a weakening and unprepared military, and…” ‘That, again, would be a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact. If you cannot do better than splatter out a slew of opinions without facts and try to claim they are true, you really should not try to get people to believe your posts.’ People with thinking minds are not convinced of anything without verified evidence and the entire story. So, basically, your entire post is nothing but lies and bovine feces. How stupid do you have to be to think that educated, intelligent people will believe the horse manure?

“▪ government attacking, demonizing and penalizing American citizens for exercising their freedom of speech.” ‘Is that akin to trump declaring that when re-elected, he will jail or otherwise get even with those who did not support him? I read the transcript that said almost exactly that. That sounds exactly like what the GOP has stayed busy doing, such as representatives Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert? And frankly, it is my opinion that all political statements should be at least 90 percent true.’ But all we get is lies from both sides. I want term limits!

The truth is that both sides are crooked. As previously stated, I am neither a democrat nor a republican. I vote for the person and his or her morals, intelligence, and honesty. You really need to cease watching Fox news and its lies. I refuse to watch FOX, CNN or MSNBC and their lies. The lies were proven by the PEW Research Group. Back around 2016 or 2017. Their conclusion after approximately one year of study was that the percentages of each source of outright lies, half truths, some truth, or spin were as follows: FOX: 96%, CNN: 94%, MSNBC: 92%. I suggest you not waste your time watching any of these known sources of political falsehoods.
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Their just isn't enough time to respond to sooo much BS!
Sooo
Have a nice Christmas anyway!

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Dec 23, 2023 10:04:02   #
Snoopy
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
This post is a mix of my own thoughts and understandings of facts vs. lies with those of another intelligent individual who previously posted the basis in response to a boatload of known prevarications posted by a MAGA hat idiot spewing more lies. Yes, Biden is a lousy president, but nowhere near as bad as trump, a thrice convicted con artist, fraudster, and sexual predator. Found guilty of these in three different courts of law including by a jury. And still under 91 indictments. So, here is another dose of truth, justice, and the American way – or what it was before trump was president. And anyone paying attention to trump promising to destroy democracy and violate the constitution really needs to think about what they are doing to this nation. And they need to cease believing anything on FOX, CNN, or MSNBC. And try to recall what America was like when we were a great nation with a great economy. And then get a valid education on exactly what brought us down, who did it, and why voting for the GOP and/or trump is a vote to continue destroying America’s greatness and our economy. Quotes below are from the previous author. Please note that anyone disagreeing with the messages below has exactly no proof of any of their claims to disagree, as the facts are not with them.

“a collapsing stock market,.” ‘Hogwash. The last time the market fell significantly, Trump was president. It cost me over $2,000 before I got out. And the market is coming up again now. And before that, Bush virtually destroyed the market, causing the “Great

Recession.’ And the Great and Depression was the direct result of GOP president Coolidge cutting taxes for the rich, eventually resulting in a huge balloon in the stock market values, and then the market crashed because of the balloon created by the wealthy having even more money to spend and nothing to spend it on that they needed money for. And THAT began the Great Depression.

“▪ government overreach and expansion,” ‘That is strictly a matter of opinion. I define overreach and expansion as the GOP pushing anti-abortion measures which violate the constitutional principle of separation of church and state.’ And I agree. Abortion is no one’s business but the persons directly involved and their doctor(s).

“▪ out of control national debt and increased government spending.” ‘ Trump set the standard for that when he cut taxes on the rich, causing the largest increase in the deficit in many years.’

“▪ politically weaponized DOJ, FBI and CIA.” ‘Nothing here but opinion and horse manure.’

“▪ the diluting of our educational standards and educational system,” ‘More BS. The education system has been being dumbed down for over 50 years, largely by the conservatives…’ and the churches refusing to increase pay for teachers or teaching science rather than religion, resulting in the best and brightest getting non-teaching jobs. Not to mention the spate of book banning going on, led by the GOP and the idiot governor of my state of residence, Florida.

“▪ crippling the American energy industry,” ‘More total BS. No truth in this, what so ever.’ Our energy industry is more profitable than ever, and we actually export crude oil. We have no need to import oil. America is totally oil independent. And the idiot Trump opened up our strategic reserves that were being held back for military purposes just so he could get lower prices – I ask at what cost?

“▪ stifling small businesses and business in general.” ‘The BS never stops with you, does it? Total hog wash. Small businesses are only hurt when the GOP passes laws designed to help major corporations, which is what they have been doing for the last 50 years. Give me an example of where they helped small businesses. I’ve never heard of one worth a dang.’ I’ll wait for your answer. Try finding one that contains at least some truth. You won’t, because your statement was nothing but one more lie.

“▪ increasing prices of goods and essentials outpacing wage increases for the middle class,” ‘No surprise here.’ The GOP has been doing this for over 53 years, ultimately resulting in today’s situation of workers gaining around 10 percent in wages over that 50+ year period while the corporate level and wealthy gained 300 to over 1,200 percent. Thus resulting in the current wide disparity in incomes in the US. Another fact is that in that 50+ year period, the top paid 1 percent have increased their ownership of all of America’s wealth from about 35 percent to about 50 percent. Fact is, approximately 40 percent of wage earners today are paid at or below the official poverty value. Facts show the Dems contributed to this as well, voting for such things as free trade with China, “Right to Work acts,” and immigration regulations allowing up to 140,000 foreigners a year to be hired by US companies and relocated to the US, taking good paying jobs from Americans. And this is exactly what trump is pushing as great economics. He has stated he wants more of the same for us (but says it will “Make America Great Again.” His support of corporations and the rich is exactly what destroyed our greatness over the last 50 years, and you have to be really stupid to believe his claims. They are just more lies.


“▪ continued tax increases across the board,” ‘About time! Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy hurt our economy by hugely increasing the deficit. Want to solve the deficit increases? Tax the wealthy fairly and get rid of the tax loop holes the rich like Trump use to pay no taxes, further increasing the deficit. You cannot have it both ways. ‘ And this is absolute truth!!!


“▪ the ongoing fight to limit or deny our Constitutional rights.” That’s the biggest lie so far. Trump is responsible for inciting an insurrection for the purpose of ending democracy,’ lied like a snake about voting fraud, violating his oath of office,” and stated on the record that as president, he is not obligated to “support the constitution.” And now, that ultimate scammer actually stated on camera that after he wins election in 2024, in 2028, he will simply negotiate his return to office, in violation of the constitution, which he believes does not apply to him. In addition to supporting the efforts of evangelicals to ban abortions, an obvious violation of separation of church and state another denial of our constitutional rights to be free of religion if we so chose. And the SCOTUS approved killing the Roe V. Wade law because the GOP appointed the majority and financially bribes a couple of the Supreme Court judges as well, after refusing to let the democrats replace a member while Obama was in power. Just more scumbag political acts of the GOP in violation of everything America once stood for, and doing everything they can to support the corporate interests and the wealthy in their efforts to continue holding wages down and shove more in their own pockets. “And all the GOP has in this category is the democrat’s efforts to pass some rational controls on buying and selling guns to reduce the slaughter of innocents by idiots and criminals.”


“▪ increased crime and reduced penalties for said crimes.” ‘Don’t think I understand this one. Crime increased under trump due to increasing poverty. I’d like to see your evidence for increasing crime under Biden. I looked it up on the FBI website for trump’s record on this. And as I recall, most of the criminals recently released early were serving time for marijuana violations.’ Whoopie Do. That’s legal now in a lot of states, and more is coming. Just more hogwash from the liars at the GOP.


“▪ a nation without borders,” More hogwash. I’m waiting to listen to the republicans whine about the rising cost of harvesting fruit in the US. Historically, back in the 40’s, according to the INS, we had approximately 11 million people here from south of our border. Nobody from the poor immigrants group is taking jobs from Americans. They are doing jobs Americans will not do, such as picking strawberries and oranges here in Florida. I drive by strawberry fields and orange groves almost daily in season, and it is pretty obvious that white Americans are not there. This whole thing has the stench of racism about it. Living in Florida, I regularly see exactly who picks our fruit. And it is primarily Spanish speaking people, male and female.


“▪ government (Ds and Rs) ignoring and violating their oath of office to protect our citizens and this nation.” ‘Was that the result of Trump kissing up to Kim Yung Un, or asking Li Jinn Ping and Vladimir Putin to help him win the presidency?’ I watched his lips move when he asked for that help on public TV. “Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about.”


“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support wars that are not in our national interest.” ‘Seems like a majority of Americans support that effort and support Israel’s right to exist. And I do believe Hamas struck first. And your statement is absolutely a matter of opinion. Not a fact.’


“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support enemy nations.” ‘Which enemy nations? Name them. And I will bet they are counted. Which of our enemies are you claiming we are sending money to? I suspect this is another case of a matter of opinion, not a fact. But since you failed to name names, you did not provide much to go on. Are you suggesting Canada is our enemy?? Put up or shut up. Facts matter. Unsupported allegations do not.’


“▪ officials violating their oath of office by aiding and abetting our self professed enemies by handing them billions of dollars of hi-tech weapons and military equipment making them one of the top fighting forces in the world.” ‘Nice to see you know what trump did. But exactly which “self-professed” enemies are you talking about? It is difficult to address statements that actually say nothing because the information provided means nothing except to the person writing it.’ and they failed to identify which enemies, meaning that, actually, there were none. So, cease the lies. We know you are lying. Who is paying you to lie for trump?


“▪ providing favors and information to long term national enemies in turn for self riches.” ‘Last I read of the transcripts involved in the attempt to impeach Biden, there is no valid evidence this occurred. Valid evidence is that which can be confirmed by facts. So far, the transcripts show only supposition and assumptions. No valid evidence.’ And there is still no such verified evidence. Nothing but accusations.

“▪ a weakening and unprepared military, and…” ‘That, again, would be a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact. If you cannot do better than splatter out a slew of opinions without facts and try to claim they are true, you really should not try to get people to believe your posts.’ People with thinking minds are not convinced of anything without verified evidence and the entire story. So, basically, your entire post is nothing but lies and bovine feces. How stupid do you have to be to think that educated, intelligent people will believe the horse manure?

“▪ government attacking, demonizing and penalizing American citizens for exercising their freedom of speech.” ‘Is that akin to trump declaring that when re-elected, he will jail or otherwise get even with those who did not support him? I read the transcript that said almost exactly that. That sounds exactly like what the GOP has stayed busy doing, such as representatives Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert? And frankly, it is my opinion that all political statements should be at least 90 percent true.’ But all we get is lies from both sides. I want term limits!

The truth is that both sides are crooked. As previously stated, I am neither a democrat nor a republican. I vote for the person and his or her morals, intelligence, and honesty. You really need to cease watching Fox news and its lies. I refuse to watch FOX, CNN or MSNBC and their lies. The lies were proven by the PEW Research Group. Back around 2016 or 2017. Their conclusion after approximately one year of study was that the percentages of each source of outright lies, half truths, some truth, or spin were as follows: FOX: 96%, CNN: 94%, MSNBC: 92%. I suggest you not waste your time watching any of these known sources of political falsehoods.
This post is a mix of my own thoughts and understa... (show quote)


Nick:

In a few words: YOU have too much time on your hands! Got a job! Every one of your points can be refuted by something you know little or NOTHING about . . . FACTS! And a view from the disappearing Middle Class: Inflation resulting from printing BILLIONS in Fiat Money!

Snoopy

Snoopy

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Dec 23, 2023 10:06:07   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
God sure knows where to apply real beauty.
He sure doesn't waste it in Demoncrats.

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Dec 23, 2023 10:10:49   #
pescado rojo
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
This post is a mix of my own thoughts and understandings of facts vs. lies with those of another intelligent individual who previously posted the basis in response to a boatload of known prevarications posted by a MAGA hat idiot spewing more lies. Yes, Biden is a lousy president, but nowhere near as bad as trump, a thrice convicted con artist, fraudster, and sexual predator. Found guilty of these in three different courts of law including by a jury. And still under 91 indictments. So, here is another dose of truth, justice, and the American way – or what it was before trump was president. And anyone paying attention to trump promising to destroy democracy and violate the constitution really needs to think about what they are doing to this nation. And they need to cease believing anything on FOX, CNN, or MSNBC. And try to recall what America was like when we were a great nation with a great economy. And then get a valid education on exactly what brought us down, who did it, and why voting for the GOP and/or trump is a vote to continue destroying America’s greatness and our economy. Quotes below are from the previous author. Please note that anyone disagreeing with the messages below has exactly no proof of any of their claims to disagree, as the facts are not with them.

“a collapsing stock market,.” ‘Hogwash. The last time the market fell significantly, Trump was president. It cost me over $2,000 before I got out. And the market is coming up again now. And before that, Bush virtually destroyed the market, causing the “Great Recession.’ And the Great Depression was the direct result of GOP president Coolidge cutting taxes for the rich, eventually resulting in a huge balloon in the stock market values, and then the market crashed because of the balloon created by the wealthy having even more money to spend and nothing to spend it on that they needed money for. And THAT began the Great Depression.

“▪ government overreach and expansion,” ‘That is strictly a matter of opinion. I define overreach and expansion as the GOP pushing anti-abortion measures which violate the constitutional principle of separation of church and state.’ And I agree. Abortion is no one’s business but the persons directly involved and their doctor(s).

“▪ out of control national debt and increased government spending.” ‘ Trump set the standard for that when he cut taxes on the rich, causing the largest increase in the deficit in many years.’

“▪ politically weaponized DOJ, FBI and CIA.” ‘Nothing here but opinion and horse manure.’

“▪ the diluting of our educational standards and educational system,” ‘More BS. The education system has been being dumbed down for over 50 years, largely by the conservatives…’ and the churches refusing to increase pay for teachers or teaching science rather than religion, resulting in the best and brightest getting non-teaching jobs. Not to mention the spate of book banning going on, led by the GOP and the idiot governor of my state of residence, Florida.

“▪ crippling the American energy industry,” ‘More total BS. No truth in this, what so ever.’ Our energy industry is more profitable than ever, and we actually export crude oil. We have no need to import oil. America is totally oil independent. And the idiot Trump opened up our strategic reserves that were being held back for military purposes just so he could get lower prices – I ask at what cost?

“▪ stifling small businesses and business in general.” ‘The BS never stops with you, does it? Total hog wash. Small businesses are only hurt when the GOP passes laws designed to help major corporations, which is what they have been doing for the last 50 years. Give me an example of where they helped small businesses. I’ve never heard of one worth a dang.’ I’ll wait for your answer. Try finding one that contains at least some truth. You won’t, because your statement was nothing but one more lie.

“▪ increasing prices of goods and essentials outpacing wage increases for the middle class,” ‘No surprise here.’ The GOP has been doing this for over 53 years, ultimately resulting in today’s situation of workers gaining around 10 percent in wages over that 50+ year period while the corporate level and wealthy gained 300 to over 1,200 percent. Thus resulting in the current wide disparity in incomes in the US. Another fact is that in that 50+ year period, the top paid 1 percent have increased their ownership of all of America’s wealth from about 35 percent to about 50 percent. Fact is, approximately 40 percent of wage earners today are paid at or below the official poverty value. Facts show the Dems contributed to this as well, voting for such things as free trade with China, “Right to Work acts,” and immigration regulations allowing up to 140,000 foreigners a year to be hired by US companies and relocated to the US, taking good paying jobs from Americans. And this is exactly what trump is pushing as great economics. He has stated he wants more of the same for us (but says it will “Make America Great Again.” His support of corporations and the rich is exactly what destroyed our greatness over the last 50 years, and you have to be really stupid to believe his claims. They are just more lies.


“▪ continued tax increases across the board,” ‘About time! Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy hurt our economy by hugely increasing the deficit. Want to solve the deficit increases? Tax the wealthy fairly and get rid of the tax loop holes the rich like Trump use to pay no taxes, further increasing the deficit. You cannot have it both ways. ‘ And this is absolute truth!!!


“▪ the ongoing fight to limit or deny our Constitutional rights.” That’s the biggest lie so far. Trump is responsible for inciting an insurrection for the purpose of ending democracy,’ lied like a snake about voting fraud, violating his oath of office,” and stated on the record that as president, he is not obligated to “support the constitution.” And now, that ultimate scammer actually stated on camera that after he wins election in 2024, in 2028, he will simply negotiate his return to office, in violation of the constitution, which he believes does not apply to him. In addition to supporting the efforts of evangelicals to ban abortions, an obvious violation of separation of church and state another denial of our constitutional rights to be free of religion if we so chose. And the SCOTUS approved killing the Roe V. Wade law because the GOP appointed the majority and financially bribes a couple of the Supreme Court judges as well, after refusing to let the democrats replace a member while Obama was in power. Just more scumbag political acts of the GOP in violation of everything America once stood for, and doing everything they can to support the corporate interests and the wealthy in their efforts to continue holding wages down and shove more in their own pockets. “And all the GOP has in this category is the democrat’s efforts to pass some rational controls on buying and selling guns to reduce the slaughter of innocents by idiots and criminals.”


“▪ increased crime and reduced penalties for said crimes.” ‘Don’t think I understand this one. Crime increased under trump due to increasing poverty. I’d like to see your evidence for increasing crime under Biden. I looked it up on the FBI website for trump’s record on this. And as I recall, most of the criminals recently released early were serving time for marijuana violations.’ Whoopie Do. That’s legal now in a lot of states, and more is coming. Just more hogwash from the liars at the GOP.


“▪ a nation without borders,” More hogwash. I’m waiting to listen to the republicans whine about the rising cost of harvesting fruit in the US. Historically, back in the 40’s, according to the INS, we had approximately 11 million people here from south of our border. Nobody from the poor immigrants group is taking jobs from Americans. They are doing jobs Americans will not do, such as picking strawberries and oranges here in Florida. I drive by strawberry fields and orange groves almost daily in season, and it is pretty obvious that white Americans are not there. This whole thing has the stench of racism about it. Living in Florida, I regularly see exactly who picks our fruit. And it is primarily Spanish speaking people, male and female.


“▪ government (Ds and Rs) ignoring and violating their oath of office to protect our citizens and this nation.” ‘Was that the result of Trump kissing up to Kim Yung Un, or asking Li Jinn Ping and Vladimir Putin to help him win the presidency?’ I watched his lips move when he asked for that help on public TV. “Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about.”


“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support wars that are not in our national interest.” ‘Seems like a majority of Americans support that effort and support Israel’s right to exist. And I do believe Hamas struck first. And your statement is absolutely a matter of opinion. Not a fact.’


“▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support enemy nations.” ‘Which enemy nations? Name them. And I will bet they are counted. Which of our enemies are you claiming we are sending money to? I suspect this is another case of a matter of opinion, not a fact. But since you failed to name names, you did not provide much to go on. Are you suggesting Canada is our enemy?? Put up or shut up. Facts matter. Unsupported allegations do not.’


“▪ officials violating their oath of office by aiding and abetting our self professed enemies by handing them billions of dollars of hi-tech weapons and military equipment making them one of the top fighting forces in the world.” ‘Nice to see you know what trump did. But exactly which “self-professed” enemies are you talking about? It is difficult to address statements that actually say nothing because the information provided means nothing except to the person writing it.’ and they failed to identify which enemies, meaning that, actually, there were none. So, cease the lies. We know you are lying. Who is paying you to lie for trump?


“▪ providing favors and information to long term national enemies in turn for self riches.” ‘Last I read of the transcripts involved in the attempt to impeach Biden, there is no valid evidence this occurred. Valid evidence is that which can be confirmed by facts. So far, the transcripts show only supposition and assumptions. No valid evidence.’ And there is still no such verified evidence. Nothing but accusations.

“▪ a weakening and unprepared military, and…” ‘That, again, would be a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact. If you cannot do better than splatter out a slew of opinions without facts and try to claim they are true, you really should not try to get people to believe your posts.’ People with thinking minds are not convinced of anything without verified evidence and the entire story. So, basically, your entire post is nothing but lies and bovine feces. How stupid do you have to be to think that educated, intelligent people will believe the horse manure?

“▪ government attacking, demonizing and penalizing American citizens for exercising their freedom of speech.” ‘Is that akin to trump declaring that when re-elected, he will jail or otherwise get even with those who did not support him? I read the transcript that said almost exactly that. That sounds exactly like what the GOP has stayed busy doing, such as representatives Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert? And frankly, it is my opinion that all political statements should be at least 90 percent true.’ But all we get is lies from both sides. I want term limits!

The truth is that both sides are crooked. As previously stated, I am neither a democrat nor a republican. I vote for the person and his or her morals, intelligence, and honesty. You really need to cease watching Fox news and its lies. I refuse to watch FOX, CNN or MSNBC and their lies. The lies were proven by the PEW Research Group. Back around 2016 or 2017. Their conclusion after approximately one year of study was that the percentages of each source of outright lies, half truths, some truth, or spin were as follows: FOX: 96%, CNN: 94%, MSNBC: 92%. I suggest you not waste your time watching any of these known sources of political falsehoods.
This post is a mix of my own thoughts and understa... (show quote)


So many lies, so little space.
Let's start with your lie about the stock market. You see, unlike you, I provide sources other than my own inept management of my portfolio. That's really what your bitch is about, isn't it? Some of us with a bit more gray matter made money. Too bad about you.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-stock-market-s-performance-under-biden-remains-worse-than-under-obama-or-trump-even-with-recent-gains/ar-AA1lJW

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-the-stock-markets-performance-under-biden-is-worse-than-under-obama-and-trump-in-one-chart-65f73fb3

Government overreach. Your entire claim is based on the SCOTUS deciding to return the question to the states rather than the Federal government. Your specious statement that this somehow "violates" the "Constitutional separation of Church and State" does nothing more than illustrate your tenuous grasp of reality.

Your typical Progressive rallying cry of "Trump cut taxes for the rich" is more bullshit. The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Inflation under Trump was less than 2%, and has averaged over 7% under your boy Biden, or more accurately whoever is pulling his string.

Crime fell under Biden. More bullshit. No wonder you never provide a source.

https://www.bbc.com/news/57581270

A nation without borders. What would you call a nation that has over 3 million asylum seekers running around loose in this country with court dates an average of five years in the future? Considering less than ten percent actually show up for those dates and the rest are lost. More illegals enter this country nearly every month of Biden's presidency than in the entire last year of Trump's. Illegals cost this country several times as much as they contribute. By the way, your claim of 11 million illegals in this country in the forties is more crap. In the eighties there were barely three million, and there is a huge difference between people who come here and pick crops and go home and those who stay. About five percent or less of illegals are actually employed in agriculture.

As for foreign aid, I notice you demand accountability while providing zero yourself.
https://www.foreignassistance.gov/

I appear to have run out of space. More later. Who'da thunk your tripe would require so much refutal?

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Dec 23, 2023 10:13:15   #
pescado rojo
 
EmilyD wrote:
You could have put all that into one sentence: "I don't like the GOP and I don't like Trump". That would have covered all those empty words.

You are the most biased Democrat I have ever read on any forum. You can deny that you are, but everything you post is anti-GOP, anti-Trump, anti-Trump supporters and anti-anything else related to the Republican party you can think of.

Call yourself whatever you can come up with to make it look like you are the "Mr. Wonderful" that you think you are. What you show yourself to be is an obsessive left-wing flaming liberal grouser, who thinks the Sun, Moon and Universe revolves around you - and only you.


At least the other Democrats and left-wing posters on here know what they are and admit it!

...
You could have put all that into one sentence: &qu... (show quote)


Have you noticed this bloviating, self-righteous refugee from a fertilizer factory was careful to include ZERO sources or cites while posting his drivel as fact?

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Dec 23, 2023 10:13:51   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
pescado rojo wrote:
So many lies, so little space.
Let's start with your lie about the stock market. You see, unlike you, I provide sources other than my own inept management of my portfolio. That's really what your bitch is about, isn't it? Some of us with a bit more gray matter made money. Too bad about you.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-stock-market-s-performance-under-biden-remains-worse-than-under-obama-or-trump-even-with-recent-gains/ar-AA1lJW

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-the-stock-markets-performance-under-biden-is-worse-than-under-obama-and-trump-in-one-chart-65f73fb3

Government overreach. Your entire claim is based on the SCOTUS deciding to return the question to the states rather than the Federal government. Your specious statement that this somehow "violates" the "Constitutional separation of Church and State" does nothing more than illustrate your tenuous grasp of reality.

Your typical Progressive rallying cry of "Trump cut taxes for the rich" is more bullshit. The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Inflation under Trump was less than 2%, and has averaged over 7% under your boy Biden, or more accurately whoever is pulling his string.

Crime fell under Biden. More bullshit. No wonder you never provide a source.

https://www.bbc.com/news/57581270

A nation without borders. What would you call a nation that has over 3 million asylum seekers running around loose in this country with court dates an average of five years in the future? Considering less than ten percent actually show up for those dates and the rest are lost. More illegals enter this country nearly every month of Biden's presidency than in the entire last year of Trump's. Illegals cost this country several times as much as they contribute. By the way, your claim of 11 million illegals in this country in the forties is more crap. In the eighties there were barely three million, and there is a huge difference between people who come here and pick crops and go home and those who stay. About five percent or less of illegals are actually employed in agriculture.

As for foreign aid, I notice you demand accountability while providing zero yourself.
https://www.foreignassistance.gov/

I appear to have run out of space. More later. Who'da thunk your tripe would require so much refutal?
So many lies, so little space. br Let's start wit... (show quote)


Blindness takes time to remedy.

https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2023/12/22/496028-maga_babe.jpg

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Dec 23, 2023 11:48:35   #
Ricktloml
 
tomhoff24 wrote:
One thing you and I as conservatives have to believe and remember. Trump is about Trump.He is not about the Republican Party


Having allegiance to a political party isn't that much of a bonus. Trump could have gone home to Mara Lago, lived a very good life as a billionaire...and most likely the American Left/Democrat-Communist Party/RINO-Never Trumpers would have left him alone...as long as Trump was no longer a political threat. And until the Republican Party moves towards conservatism instead of being spineless/self-serving opportunists that go-along-to-get-along...Never Trumpers will find something to criticize him over. I like the fact that Trump stands for the founding principles of the country/American people rather than having allegiance to a political party. And Trump has sacrificed millions of dollars of his own wealth defending himself from spurious charges...you remember when the American-Left/Democrat-Communists/Obama/Hillary spent close to $25 million tax-payer dollars trying to FRAME a sitting president with manufactured evidence from the Hillary campaign/OVERTURN the results of the 2016 election/UNSEAT a duly elected president...along with lying to the FISA Court/American people...gee all that sounds a lot like insurrection/sedition. And Trump being willing to take the kind of under-handed lies/garbage the American-Left/Democrat-Communist Party...and of course the RINO/Never Trumpers constantly throw at him shows that Trump is about a lot more than himself.

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Dec 23, 2023 11:59:55   #
EmilyD
 
Ricktloml wrote:
I will have to disagree. Trump could have gone home to Mara Lago, lived a very good life as a billionaire...and most likely the American Left/Democrat-Communist Party would have left him alone. As long as Trump was no longer a political threat. And until the Republican Party moves towards conservatism instead of being spineless/self-serving opportunists that go-along-to-get-along...never Trumpers will find something to criticize him over. I like the fact that Trump stands for the founding principles of the country/American people rather than having allegiance to a political party. And Trump has sacrificed millions of dollars of his own wealth defending himself from spurious charges...you remember when the American-Left/Democrat-Communists/Obama/Hillary spent close to $25 million tax-payer dollars trying to FRAME a sitting president with manufactured evidence from the Hillary campaign/OVERTURN the results of the 2016 election/UNSEAT a duly elected president...gee all that sounds a lot like insurrection. And Trump being willing to take the kind of under-handed lies/garbage the American-Left/Democrat-Communist Party...and of course the RINO/Never Trumpers constantly throw at him shows that Trump is about a lot more than himself.
I will have to disagree. Trump could have gone hom... (show quote)


Well said!!!

Trump is about AMERICA!!!!!

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Dec 23, 2023 12:04:02   #
Ricktloml
 
son of witless wrote:
Sorry, I did not see your post before sending mine.


Great minds

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Dec 23, 2023 12:21:11   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
[quote=Nick Nicholson]This post is a mix of my thoughts and understandings of facts vs lies with those of another intelligent individual who previously posted the basis in response to a boatload of known prevarications posted by a MAGA hat idiot spewing more lies.

Joe Biden
In January 2023, the nation hit the $31.4 trillion debt limit Congress passed in 2021.5 Republican lawmakers in control of the House of Representatives said they won’t raise the debt limit unless Democrats, who control the Senate, agree to budget cuts.

On Oct. 1, 2021, at the end of fiscal year 2021, the national debt was $28.4 trillion. Between the end of fiscal year 2020 and the end of fiscal year 2021, the national debt grew $1.5 trillion, a 5.6% increase year over year. For fiscal year 2022, President Joe Biden's budget included a deficit of $1.84 trillion, and by August 2022, the national debt had grown to $30.8 trillion.

When Biden took office, the economy and household finances were still reeling from the pandemic, and Biden continued his predecessor’s policy of spending heavily to keep households afloat. In March 2021, Biden signed the American Rescue Plan, which showered taxpayers with pandemic relief cash in the form of stimulus checks and extra unemployment payments and temporarily expanded child tax credits, plus other help. It all came with a cost to future budgets: The bill would add $1.9 trillion to the national debt by 2031, the Congressional Budget Office estimated.

The bipartisan infrastructure bill, signed by Biden in November 2021, provided new funding for highways, railways, broadband Internet expansion, and other projects. It added to the debt too, with estimates on its 10-year impact ranging from $374 billion to $400 billion, depending on how it’s calculated.

Some of Biden’s actions cut the other way. In August 2022, Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act, an anti-climate change bill that spent money on new green energy programs and tax credits as well as to make drugs cheaper for patients and paid for it by raising taxes on corporations and the ultra-wealthy. The bill should reduce the national debt by $102 billion by 2031, the CBO estimated.

Biden followed up this bill with an executive action that forgave up to $10,000 of federal student loan debt per borrower, and $20,000 for those who received Pell Grants. He also proposed a new, cheaper income-driven student loan repayment program for future borrowers. However, he also announced that student loan interest and required payments, both of which had been frozen since the pandemic hit, would resume in 2023. As of April 2023, repayments have not yet resumed.

In August 2022, the government did not have an official estimate of how these measures would impact the national debt. One piece of it—forgiving $10,000 of debt per student loan borrower—would cost $329.7 billion over 10 years, according to an estimate by the Wharton School of Business.
Penn Wharton. "Forgiving Student Loans: Budgetary Costs and Distributional Impact."

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Dec 23, 2023 12:34:42   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Having allegiance to a political party isn't that much of a bonus. Trump could have gone home to Mara Lago, lived a very good life as a billionaire...and most likely the American Left/Democrat-Communist Party/RINO-Never Trumpers would have left him alone...as long as Trump was no longer a political threat. And until the Republican Party moves towards conservatism instead of being spineless/self-serving opportunists that go-along-to-get-along...Never Trumpers will find something to criticize him over. I like the fact that Trump stands for the founding principles of the country/American people rather than having allegiance to a political party. And Trump has sacrificed millions of dollars of his own wealth defending himself from spurious charges...you remember when the American-Left/Democrat-Communists/Obama/Hillary spent close to $25 million tax-payer dollars trying to FRAME a sitting president with manufactured evidence from the Hillary campaign/OVERTURN the results of the 2016 election/UNSEAT a duly elected president...along with lying to the FISA Court/American people...gee all that sounds a lot like insurrection/sedition. And Trump being willing to take the kind of under-handed lies/garbage the American-Left/Democrat-Communist Party...and of course the RINO/Never Trumpers constantly throw at him shows that Trump is about a lot more than himself.
Having allegiance to a political party isn't that ... (show quote)


You've earned yourself some bonus points. 👍

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Dec 23, 2023 12:36:21   #
EmilyD
 
pescado rojo wrote:
Have you noticed this bloviating, self-righteous refugee from a fertilizer factory was careful to include ZERO sources or cites while posting his drivel as fact?


People with big egos think they are so perfect that no one would ever dare question them. This clown thinks he should not have to bother to post links to back up his statements when everyone should KNOW that he is the authority on everything ... everywhere. 🙄😏

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Dec 23, 2023 12:50:06   #
Hydro
 
[quote=America 1]
Nick Nicholson wrote:
This post is a mix of my thoughts and understandings of facts vs lies with those of another intelligent individual who previously posted the basis in response to a boatload of known prevarications posted by a MAGA hat idiot spewing more lies.

Joe Biden
In January 2023, the nation hit the $31.4 trillion debt limit Congress passed in 2021.5 Republican lawmakers in control of the House of Representatives said they won’t raise the debt limit unless Democrats, who control the Senate, agree to budget cuts.

On Oct. 1, 2021, at the end of fiscal year 2021, the national debt was $28.4 trillion. Between the end of fiscal year 2020 and the end of fiscal year 2021, the national debt grew $1.5 trillion, a 5.6% increase year over year. For fiscal year 2022, President Joe Biden's budget included a deficit of $1.84 trillion, and by August 2022, the national debt had grown to $30.8 trillion.

When Biden took office, the economy and household finances were still reeling from the pandemic, and Biden continued his predecessor’s policy of spending heavily to keep households afloat. In March 2021, Biden signed the American Rescue Plan, which showered taxpayers with pandemic relief cash in the form of stimulus checks and extra unemployment payments and temporarily expanded child tax credits, plus other help. It all came with a cost to future budgets: The bill would add $1.9 trillion to the national debt by 2031, the Congressional Budget Office estimated.

The bipartisan infrastructure bill, signed by Biden in November 2021, provided new funding for highways, railways, broadband Internet expansion, and other projects. It added to the debt too, with estimates on its 10-year impact ranging from $374 billion to $400 billion, depending on how it’s calculated.

Some of Biden’s actions cut the other way. In August 2022, Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act, an anti-climate change bill that spent money on new green energy programs and tax credits as well as to make drugs cheaper for patients and paid for it by raising taxes on corporations and the ultra-wealthy. The bill should reduce the national debt by $102 billion by 2031, the CBO estimated.

Biden followed up this bill with an executive action that forgave up to $10,000 of federal student loan debt per borrower, and $20,000 for those who received Pell Grants. He also proposed a new, cheaper income-driven student loan repayment program for future borrowers. However, he also announced that student loan interest and required payments, both of which had been frozen since the pandemic hit, would resume in 2023. As of April 2023, repayments have not yet resumed.

In August 2022, the government did not have an official estimate of how these measures would impact the national debt. One piece of it—forgiving $10,000 of debt per student loan borrower—would cost $329.7 billion over 10 years, according to an estimate by the Wharton School of Business.
Penn Wharton. "Forgiving Student Loans: Budgetary Costs and Distributional Impact."
This post is a mix of my thoughts and understandin... (show quote)


Let’s not forget the billions of dollars wasted on green new deal projects like Ford whose CEO has just publically stated it wasn’t working and cut the project or the EV cars to be shoved down our throats like em or not or the fact if we all owned EV’s we would have to wait in line to charge them - I have worked as a Nuclear Field Engineer just retired for 45 years our grid system is in dire shap and would take years to correct for such an influx - California just had to go back to the NRC asking that the NRC extend the last large nuclear generating plant for a longer period of time as taking it off line in 2024 would cause blackouts - just last year Newsome stated no more gas cars after 2035 - then Two weeks later asked the EV owners in Cal not to charge their vehicles between peak usage of the grid - and Biden’s inflation is still in place - bread at 5 to 7 dollars a loaf gas in cal. Still at over 7 dollars preach all you want bridens policies have cost American families approx. 11,000 dollars more this year than last year as put out by the government budget office - meat for many middle
Class families is to the point they can’t afford it has become a luxury - now Biden in going to increase our taxes to pay for the illegal immigration he caused with his policies - how about the school system being overrun with children that can’t speak English or the medical care recieved etc. all on the backs of taxpayers - take your facts and eat them see if they fill the stomachs of your families - you tear Trump down because of Democratic judges that were vocally biased even throwing out jury verdict to inject their own personal opinionated verdict - everyone reading this has things they have done that they would be ashamed if they had to face them - Trump is a human being and ran because he believed he could bring a better life to all - and he did - he took no money as he donated his salary to charity - show me the Democrates that have done the same - my family is deeply Democrat but will vote for Trump this time

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