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Dec 14, 2023 16:38:48   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
facts matter wrote:
No, actually, it's a civil trial, so trump isn't going to jail. Well, not for this, at least. And it's not like jay walking, it's like lying on a loan application to get better terms, such as lower interest. He cheated the banks out of money. He lied on applications, and signed false papers. And it may be nonsense, but it's fraud. Get over it..

You've said numerous times that Trump lied about the value of his property to get a lower interest rate. Well, where I come from that has NOTHING to do with getting a lower interest but your credit score certainly does. And as someone astutely pointed out earlier, you aren't loaned money based on what you THINK your property is worth but what it's APPRAISED at by the bank. The loan is approved based on your debt to income ratio, your credit score and what the property appraises for. This has happened on EVERY property loan I've ever applied for.

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Dec 14, 2023 19:44:45   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Parky60 wrote:
You've said numerous times that Trump lied about the value of his property to get a lower interest rate. Well, where I come from that has NOTHING to do with getting a lower interest but your credit score certainly does. And as someone astutely pointed out earlier, you aren't loaned money based on what you THINK your property is worth but what it's APPRAISED at by the bank. The loan is approved based on your debt to income ratio, your credit score and what the property appraises for. This has happened on EVERY property loan I've ever applied for.
You've said numerous times that Trump lied about t... (show quote)


This guy is just a typical Never-Trumper progressive (no matter what he/she calls his/her self), who will swallow ANY thing that sounds like it might convict Trump for something. The rule of law, and equality of justice means absolutely NOTHING to this person. Bureaucratic mentality. Right and wrong does not matter. Only following the detailed minutia of rules, whether they are applicable or not.

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Dec 14, 2023 20:09:06   #
facts matter
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Did I say that MAGAs were conservative? No, I did not. I am a Reagan conservative. I am not nor have I ever been a MAGA.
Because I believe in justice and legal fairness for Trump does not mean that I am a MAGA.
I said I do not believe that YOU are a conservative.
And Biden has been a PROVEN liar, plagiarist, flip-flopping politician(in the foulest meaning of the word) for DECADES before he ran for vice-President, and everyone knows it.
He is the perfect embodiment of the modern Democrat party.
Did I say that MAGAs were conservative? No, I did... (show quote)


I have no problem with Biden. My problem is with trump and maga and the trump Republican party. I don't care what you believe. And lf you believe that trump isn't being treated fairly, you haven't been paying attention, because there is more than ample evidence in every charge he has currently been charged with. And no one lies more than trump.

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Dec 14, 2023 20:29:25   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
facts matter wrote:
I have no problem with Biden. My problem is with trump and maga and the trump Republican party. I don't care what you believe. And lf you believe that trump isn't being treated fairly, you haven't been paying attention, because there is more than ample evidence in every charge he has currently been charged with. And no one lies more than trump.


Except Biden, of course. And you, apparently, are a VERY close contender.
You definitely need a different handle, because clearly facts DON'T matter to you.
This is the third time you have said you do not care what I believe. Will repetition make it true? Another sign you are a progressive.
But what YOU believe does not matter to ME, as long as you are not reinforcing it with lies. If you do, I will call you out on it every time I see it.
You are warned.

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Dec 15, 2023 02:54:23   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
facts matter wrote:
I have no problem with Biden. My problem is with Trump and maga and the Trump Republican party. I don't care what you believe. And if you believe that Trump isn't being treated fairly, you haven't been paying attention, because there is more than ample evidence in every charge he has currently been charged with. And no one lies more than Trump.


It is crystal clear you have not been paying attention.
You claim, "No problem with Biden."
The disaster being done to our country by his administration cannot be denied.

Donald Trump produced the one witness who just cleared his name
New York Attorney General Letitia James’ civil fraud trial against Donald Trump is a sham.
Expert witness testimony from a Professor of Accounting at New York University’s Stern School of Business, Eli Bartov, disemboweled the baseless claim James brought against Trump that he committed fraud by inflating the value of his assets.
One of the key points in James’ sham case was the allegation that Trump fraudulently tripled the value of Trump Tower to secure better loan terms.
Bartov dismissed that as nonsense.
“There is no evidence here of concealment,” Bartov testified. “It’s true this is an error. But it is not a fraud.”
Bartov said his analysis showed Trump’s net worth to be $3 billion and that his accountants didn’t violate one standard principle of the industry.
“My analysis shows the statements of financial condition for all the years were not materially misstated,” Bartov testified, before adding that he “couldn’t find a single provision that was violated. I couldn’t find one.”

Bartov debunked the entire premise of the case by questioning biased Democrat Judge Arthur Engoron.
“My main finding is that there is no evidence whatsoever for any accounting fraud,” Bartov declared. “On another end, my analysis shows that the statements of financial condition were not materially mistaken.”
Engoron attempted to salvage James’ case by grilling Bartov.
“So in your expert opinion, the AG’s claims have no merit?” Engoron wondered.
Bartov destroyed the premise of the lawsuit with one sentence.
“That is absolutely my opinion. Absolutely,” Bartov shot back.
“My analysis shows the statements of financial condition for all the years were not materially misstated,”
Bartov testified, before adding that he “couldn’t find a single provision that was violated.
I couldn’t find one.”
https://www.deplorabledaily.com/donald-trump-produced-the-one-witness-who-just-cleared-his-name/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dpd_9611&utm_term=&utm_content=

Journalist Imprisoned by Biden Regime for Committing “Speech Crimes” Speaks Out
Shroyer, having recently been released from prison after serving his 60-day sentence for frequently speaking out against the RIGGED 2020 election and standing outside of the Capitol on January 6th to warn Trump supporters NOT TO ENTER, sat with Tucker Carlson to expose how the weaponized DOJ came after him in a way that could happen to any regular American.
The reporter shared with Carlson that he believes someone high up at the DOJ sought to make an example out of him by throwing him in jail for speaking about the Biden regime’s dirty secrets.
“I’m afraid that my speech is going to wind me up in jail again,” Shroyer said. “I do remember that every presidential election that Democrats have lost in the 20th century, they’ve questioned and they’ve denied. So it’s odd that one side can do that, and the other cannot.
Owen went on to note that while he was in prison he was treated especially horrific and forced to live under inhumane conditions – the DOJ wanted to BREAK HIM!
https://www.patrioticviralnews.com/articles/journalist-imprisoned-by-biden-regime-for-committing-speech-crimes-speaks-out/

Hunter Biden got indicted, and you won’t believe what happened next.
Prosecutors filed a nine-count indictment – three felonies and six misdemeanors – against Hunter Biden over failure to pay taxes on money earned through foreign business schemes.
“At times relevant to this Indictment, the Defendant served on the board of a Ukrainian industrial conglomerate and a Chinese private equity fund. He negotiated and executed contracts and agreements for business and legal services that paid millions of dollars of compensation to him and/or his domestic corporations, Owasco, and PC and Owasco, LLC,” the indictment stated.
The Owasco, PC company stands out as House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer revealed this entity made monthly payments directly to Joe Biden.
https://247politics.net/hunter-biden-got-indicted-and-you-wont-believe-what-happened-next/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=247w_1997907106&utm_source=&utm_term=&utm_content=

Joe Biden’s power trip is out of control.
Biden’s now resorting to the worst kind of blackmail.
Republicans blocked Joe Biden’s $106 billion slush fund that included $61 billion more in taxpayer money for the war in Ukraine.
Congressional Republicans refused to support any new money for Ukraine unless Joe Biden agreed to accept legislation from conservatives that would seal the southern border.
8 million illegal aliens greater than the population of all but 12 states, entered the United States since Joe Biden took office, but Joe Biden’s number one priority remains securing the territorial integrity of Ukraine, a country with no strategic value to the United States.
“The Biden administration is openly threatening Americans over Ukraine. In a classified briefing in the House yesterday, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin informed members that if they don’t appropriate more money for Zelensky, “we’ll send your uncles, cousins, and sons to fight Russia.
” Pay the oligarchs or we’ll kill your kids,”
https://247politics.net/tucker-carlson-blew-the-whistle-on-this-scary-ultimatum-joe-biden-gave-republicans/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=247w_1997907106&utm_source=&utm_term=&utm_content=

You claim Trump lies, we can go into that as well.
It appears facts do not matter to you, enough of your BS.

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Dec 15, 2023 07:40:17   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Did I say that MAGAs were conservative? No, I did not. I am a Reagan conservative. I am not nor have I ever been a MAGA.
Because I believe in justice and legal fairness for Trump does not mean that I am a MAGA.
I said I do not believe that YOU are a conservative.
And Biden has been a PROVEN liar, plagiarist, flip-flopping politician(in the foulest meaning of the word) for DECADES before he ran for vice-President, and everyone knows it.
He is the perfect embodiment of the modern Democrat party.
Did I say that MAGAs were conservative? No, I did... (show quote)

That's a Bingo right there, he and Hillary belong in the same basket of deplorables.

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Dec 15, 2023 07:44:06   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
facts matter wrote:
I have no problem with Biden. My problem is with trump and maga and the trump Republican party. I don't care what you believe. And lf you believe that trump isn't being treated fairly, you haven't been paying attention, because there is more than ample evidence in every charge he has currently been charged with. And no one lies more than trump.


You keep saying that but You know who's lied to us for more then 50 yrs, the guy you don't have a problem with. I just want to say $+00p!d!!!!!! with a capital S.

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Dec 16, 2023 00:56:32   #
Proudconservative
 
facts matter wrote:
trump's fraud spans 10 years. This trial isn't a travesty, it's justice. But I guess you think he should get away with all his crimes. I still believe in the pre-trump Republican values of law and order, personal responsibility, national security, and fiscal restraint. Maga believes in trump, period.

What you're saying applies more to the Bidens than trump.


I have been reading what you and Randy have been discussing and I was going to stay out of it because there's nothing more that I could add that Randy hasn't already covered. But when you said that what Randy is saying applies more to the Bidens than Trump, with everything you've been saying that is the most comical, thanks for the laugh though.



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Dec 16, 2023 08:49:47   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Proudconservative wrote:
I have been reading what you and Randy have been discussing and I was going to stay out of it because there's nothing more that I could add that Randy hasn't already covered. But when you said that what Randy is saying applies more to the Bidens than Trump, with everything you've been saying that is the most comical, thanks for the laugh though.


Thanks, Proud. I think we are repeating ourselves, so perhaps it is time to call it a day, on this thread. Facts clearly do not matter to Facts Matter. To the left, the end ALWAYS justifies whatever means they chose to use....no matter how despicable and harmful to America, and no matter how horrible a legal precedent it creates.

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Dec 16, 2023 11:33:28   #
Proudconservative
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Thanks, Proud. I think we are repeating ourselves, so perhaps it is time to call it a day, on this thread. Facts clearly do not matter to Facts Matter. To the left, the end ALWAYS justifies whatever means they chose to use....no matter how despicable and harmful to America, and no matter how horrible a legal precedent it creates.


I subscribe to Epoch and there all about Truth over News, they have a lot interesting reports with things that are going on. Here's one of them below, but democrats who are so into blaming Trump for Jan 6th, and how nobody cheated in the 2020 election are so full of crap. There was cheating as told in the video below and had the CIA stayed out of it Trump would have won and therefore Jan 6 would have never happened. People wouldn't of had to die, get hurt, go to prison and Trump wouldn't be going through all these indictments of which he is clearly innocent. I wonder how much all the things the Dems have done and are doing to Trump would be happening if they had to use there own money instead of using our tax money to pay for it, probably 0.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/how-a-letter-from-cia-directors-and-intelligence-community-officials-changed-the-outcome-of-the-2020-election-truth-over-news-4374917

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Dec 16, 2023 17:37:09   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Proudconservative wrote:
I subscribe to Epoch and there all about Truth over News, they have a lot interesting reports with things that are going on. Here's one of them below, but democrats who are so into blaming Trump for Jan 6th, and how nobody cheated in the 2020 election are so full of crap. There was cheating as told in the video below and had the CIA stayed out of it Trump would have won and therefore Jan 6 would have never happened. People wouldn't of had to die, get hurt, go to prison and Trump wouldn't be going through all these indictments of which he is clearly innocent. I wonder how much all the things the Dems have done and are doing to Trump would be happening if they had to use there own money instead of using our tax money to pay for it, probably 0.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/how-a-letter-from-cia-directors-and-intelligence-community-officials-changed-the-outcome-of-the-2020-election-truth-over-news-4374917
I subscribe to Epoch and there all about Truth ove... (show quote)


You have a good point there. If they had to pay for all this out of their own pocket, I bet you they changed their tunes

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Dec 16, 2023 19:28:19   #
Gatsby
 
Proudconservative wrote:
I subscribe to Epoch and there all about Truth over News, they have a lot interesting reports with things that are going on. Here's one of them below, but democrats who are so into blaming Trump for Jan 6th, and how nobody cheated in the 2020 election are so full of crap. There was cheating as told in the video below and had the CIA stayed out of it Trump would have won and therefore Jan 6 would have never happened. People wouldn't of had to die, get hurt, go to prison and Trump wouldn't be going through all these indictments of which he is clearly innocent. I wonder how much all the things the Dems have done and are doing to Trump would be happening if they had to use there own money instead of using our tax money to pay for it, probably 0.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/how-a-letter-from-cia-directors-and-intelligence-community-officials-changed-the-outcome-of-the-2020-election-truth-over-news-4374917
I subscribe to Epoch and there all about Truth ove... (show quote)


Add to that the results of a recent poll, indicating that 20% of mail in ballots were cast fraudulently.

If those fraudulently cast ballots had been rejected, it could have changed the outcome in every swing state.

I reckon that the 2020 election was as crooked as any Russian election in history.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/one_in_five_mail_in_voters_admit_they_cheated_in_2020_election

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Dec 16, 2023 19:52:23   #
facts matter
 
America 1 wrote:
It is crystal clear you have not been paying attention.
You claim, "No problem with Biden."
The disaster being done to our country by his administration cannot be denied.

Donald Trump produced the one witness who just cleared his name
New York Attorney General Letitia James’ civil fraud trial against Donald Trump is a sham.
Expert witness testimony from a Professor of Accounting at New York University’s Stern School of Business, Eli Bartov, disemboweled the baseless claim James brought against Trump that he committed fraud by inflating the value of his assets.
One of the key points in James’ sham case was the allegation that Trump fraudulently tripled the value of Trump Tower to secure better loan terms.
Bartov dismissed that as nonsense.
“There is no evidence here of concealment,” Bartov testified. “It’s true this is an error. But it is not a fraud.”
Bartov said his analysis showed Trump’s net worth to be $3 billion and that his accountants didn’t violate one standard principle of the industry.
“My analysis shows the statements of financial condition for all the years were not materially misstated,” Bartov testified, before adding that he “couldn’t find a single provision that was violated. I couldn’t find one.”

Bartov debunked the entire premise of the case by questioning biased Democrat Judge Arthur Engoron.
“My main finding is that there is no evidence whatsoever for any accounting fraud,” Bartov declared. “On another end, my analysis shows that the statements of financial condition were not materially mistaken.”
Engoron attempted to salvage James’ case by grilling Bartov.
“So in your expert opinion, the AG’s claims have no merit?” Engoron wondered.
Bartov destroyed the premise of the lawsuit with one sentence.
“That is absolutely my opinion. Absolutely,” Bartov shot back.
“My analysis shows the statements of financial condition for all the years were not materially misstated,”
Bartov testified, before adding that he “couldn’t find a single provision that was violated.
I couldn’t find one.”
https://www.deplorabledaily.com/donald-trump-produced-the-one-witness-who-just-cleared-his-name/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dpd_9611&utm_term=&utm_content=

Journalist Imprisoned by Biden Regime for Committing “Speech Crimes” Speaks Out
Shroyer, having recently been released from prison after serving his 60-day sentence for frequently speaking out against the RIGGED 2020 election and standing outside of the Capitol on January 6th to warn Trump supporters NOT TO ENTER, sat with Tucker Carlson to expose how the weaponized DOJ came after him in a way that could happen to any regular American.
The reporter shared with Carlson that he believes someone high up at the DOJ sought to make an example out of him by throwing him in jail for speaking about the Biden regime’s dirty secrets.
“I’m afraid that my speech is going to wind me up in jail again,” Shroyer said. “I do remember that every presidential election that Democrats have lost in the 20th century, they’ve questioned and they’ve denied. So it’s odd that one side can do that, and the other cannot.
Owen went on to note that while he was in prison he was treated especially horrific and forced to live under inhumane conditions – the DOJ wanted to BREAK HIM!
https://www.patrioticviralnews.com/articles/journalist-imprisoned-by-biden-regime-for-committing-speech-crimes-speaks-out/

Hunter Biden got indicted, and you won’t believe what happened next.
Prosecutors filed a nine-count indictment – three felonies and six misdemeanors – against Hunter Biden over failure to pay taxes on money earned through foreign business schemes.
“At times relevant to this Indictment, the Defendant served on the board of a Ukrainian industrial conglomerate and a Chinese private equity fund. He negotiated and executed contracts and agreements for business and legal services that paid millions of dollars of compensation to him and/or his domestic corporations, Owasco, and PC and Owasco, LLC,” the indictment stated.
The Owasco, PC company stands out as House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer revealed this entity made monthly payments directly to Joe Biden.
https://247politics.net/hunter-biden-got-indicted-and-you-wont-believe-what-happened-next/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=247w_1997907106&utm_source=&utm_term=&utm_content=

Joe Biden’s power trip is out of control.
Biden’s now resorting to the worst kind of blackmail.
Republicans blocked Joe Biden’s $106 billion slush fund that included $61 billion more in taxpayer money for the war in Ukraine.
Congressional Republicans refused to support any new money for Ukraine unless Joe Biden agreed to accept legislation from conservatives that would seal the southern border.
8 million illegal aliens greater than the population of all but 12 states, entered the United States since Joe Biden took office, but Joe Biden’s number one priority remains securing the territorial integrity of Ukraine, a country with no strategic value to the United States.
“The Biden administration is openly threatening Americans over Ukraine. In a classified briefing in the House yesterday, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin informed members that if they don’t appropriate more money for Zelensky, “we’ll send your uncles, cousins, and sons to fight Russia.
” Pay the oligarchs or we’ll kill your kids,”
https://247politics.net/tucker-carlson-blew-the-whistle-on-this-scary-ultimatum-joe-biden-gave-republicans/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=247w_1997907106&utm_source=&utm_term=&utm_content=

You claim Trump lies, we can go into that as well.
It appears facts do not matter to you, enough of your BS.
It is crystal clear you have not been paying atten... (show quote)


So let me get this straight, you reference Fox, Tucker Carlson, and the "star witness". In other words the host that got fired for lying on the "news" network that lost a &750 million for lying and a witness that was paid $900,000.00.
How can anyone argue with that. You're pathetic.

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Dec 20, 2023 09:56:26   #
Haski123
 
America 1 wrote:
A 1994 document was introduced during the cross-examination of the former Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg.
This document, signed by Trump, confirms the penthouse's size to be just under 11,000 square feet.


With the actual footage at 3000 square feet, this clearly indicates to me that on this point Milosia’s factual statement is accurate and confirmed and that Trump knowingly inflated or approved the penthouse size as 11,000 sq feet.

Regarding the demeaning words launched at her ,they are not civil. Quota.com states that moral life is a way of life guided by ethical principles and values. Making decisions that are right and good based on honesty, fairness, compassion and respect for others.
The name calling responses to Milosia’s statement are by the definition above immoral.

I also see judgements here. That’s what the courts are for. My understanding is Trump has been deemed guilty of fraud by NY judges summary judgement and that the ongoing trial is for the judge to determine what level of fines or sanctions should assessed on Trump and his organization for the fraud.

Regardless of outcome an appeal is expected. I think the judge is using continued testimonies to dot his I’s and crossing his T’s to ensure his ruling is unheld.

Only time and the courts will tell.

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Dec 20, 2023 10:23:38   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Haski123 wrote:
With the actual footage at 3000 square feet, this clearly indicates to me that on this point Milosia’s factual statement is accurate and confirmed and that Trump knowingly inflated or approved the penthouse size as 11,000 sq feet.

Regarding the demeaning words launched at her ,they are not civil. Quota.com states that moral life is a way of life guided by ethical principles and values. Making decisions that are right and good based on honesty, fairness, compassion and respect for others.
The name calling responses to Milosia’s statement are by the definition above immoral.

I also see judgements here. That’s what the courts are for. My understanding is Trump has been deemed guilty of fraud by NY judges summary judgement and that the ongoing trial is for the judge to determine what level of fines or sanctions should assessed on Trump and his organization for the fraud.

Regardless of outcome an appeal is expected. I think the judge is using continued testimonies to dot his I’s and crossing his T’s to ensure his ruling is unheld.

Only time and the courts will tell.
With the actual footage at 3000 square feet, this ... (show quote)


Spoken like a true bureaucratic.
Clearly you put your faith in rules rather than right and wrong, rather than justice.
When the petty meticulous minutia of law is used as a political weapon, then the only defense is to NEVER be noticed by the government. The only security is in sheep-like anonymity. And THAT is authoritarianism. But you are apparently all for it, as long as it is pursuing things YOU approve of. What will you say, I wonder, when it no longer does so? Oh, never mind......at that point you will not be allowed to say ANYthing.

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