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This is wrong!!!.. If a woman's life is in danger, Supreme Court should not let a man to decide if and when she should have an abortion..l
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Dec 13, 2023 11:00:35   #
son of witless
 
DASHY wrote:
Ms. Cox and her doctors say that continuing her pregnancy is putting her health at risk. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Supreme Court judges, who are not at all qualified to make medical decisions, say Ms. Cox has failed to demonstrate her pregnancy places her "at risk of death". Medical decisions about reproductive rights should be made solely by the pregnant woman and her medical advisors. Enacting laws to stop abortions do more harm than good. They do not save lives, they ruin lives.
Ms. Cox and her doctors say that continuing her pr... (show quote)


I do not agree with you on abortion in the general sense because I believe the unborn are human beings. In this extreme case I am forced to reluctantly agree with you because the unborn life has been judged non viable and the health risks to the mother are apparent.

This type of case plays into your politics and you should be grateful. I fail to see why the court and the Attorney General would push this so far, because it is such an obvious political night mare for the pro life cause.

Again this is an extreme case where fighting it makes no sense.

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Dec 13, 2023 11:30:48   #
DASHY
 
son of witless wrote:
I do not agree with you on abortion in the general sense because I believe the unborn are human beings. In this extreme case I am forced to reluctantly agree with you because the unborn life has been judged non viable and the health risks to the mother are apparent.

This type of case plays into your politics and you should be grateful. I fail to see why the court and the Attorney General would push this so far, because it is such an obvious political night mare for the pro life cause.

Again this is an extreme case where fighting it makes no sense.
I do not agree with you on abortion in the general... (show quote)


Almost all abortions in the US occur within the first 15 weeks of pregnancy. Laws against abortion make no sense. Some lawmakers believe that "killing" the "baby" within the first 15 weeks would be an acceptable compromise to the abortion laws. Actually, it is after 15 weeks when pregnancy complications are diagnosed and the unborn life has been judged non-viable and health risks to the mother are apparent that legal abortion is needed the most.

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Dec 13, 2023 14:22:23   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
DASHY wrote:
... Enacting laws to stop abortions do more harm than good. They do not save lives, they ruin lives.

Never nothing about the baby's life "being ruined," eh DASHY? Woman's has a <0.01% chance of losing her life in this situation. That's one hundredth of one percent percent slick.

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Dec 13, 2023 14:55:36   #
son of witless
 
DASHY wrote:
Almost all abortions in the US occur within the first 15 weeks of pregnancy. Laws against abortion make no sense. Some lawmakers believe that "killing" the "baby" within the first 15 weeks would be an acceptable compromise to the abortion laws. Actually, it is after 15 weeks when pregnancy complications are diagnosed and the unborn life has been judged non-viable and health risks to the mother are apparent that legal abortion is needed the most.


Again, this case is tailor made for your ideology, But most abortions are NOT performed for medical reasons as this case will be. I am sure that some way this woman will get her pregnancy terminated once your side gets all of the political mileage it can out of it. I would expect no less. I think those on my side have played this very stupidly. I hate stupid.

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Dec 13, 2023 16:04:01   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Knightlady wrote:
Oh for Gods sake. They do not. Some do but that is not the biggest reason. How about letting the father have custody since he was 1/2 responsible.



https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/01/11/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/

Among those ages 15 to 44, there were 24.4 abortions per 1,000 non-Hispanic Black women; 11.4 abortions per 1,000 Hispanic women; 6.2 abortions per 1,000 non-Hispanic White women; and 12.7 abortions per 1,000 women of other races or ethnicities in that age range, the CDC reported from those same 29 states and the District of Columbia.

Most U.S. abortions in 2020 were for women who had previously given birth. 39% of women who had abortions in 2020 had no previous live births at the time they had an abortion, 25% had one previous live birth, 20% had two previous live births, 10% had three, and 6% had four or more previous live births.

For 58% of U.S. women who had induced abortions in 2020, it was the first time they had ever had one, according to the CDC. For nearly a quarter (24%), it was their second abortion. For 10% of women, it was their third, and for 8% it was their fourth or higher. These CDC figures include data from 41 states and New York City (but not the rest of New York).

Nearly four-in-ten women who had abortions in 2020 (39%) had no previous live births at the time they had an abortion, according to the CDC. A quarter of women who had abortions in 2020 had one previous live birth, 20% had two previous live births, 10% had three, and 6% had four or more previous live births. These CDC figures include data from 42 states and New York City (but not the rest of New York).

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Those are just some of the facts surrounding abortion! A total of 58% of abortions were women’s first one, 42% included one or more abortions! Anyone with a lick of sense would understand that the second, third, forth, or higher number of abortions that a woman chose in order to kill her baby because having it was not planned and would be an inconvenience to her for whatever reason 👿…………….And would indicate the last ditch effort at BIRTH CONTROL! Very few abortions are performed for the Mother’s or baby’s health or for rape and incest! Your inability to accept this fact doesn’t help your case!

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Dec 13, 2023 16:56:55   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
DASHY wrote:
Ms. Cox and her doctors say that continuing her pregnancy is putting her health at risk. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Supreme Court judges, who are not at all qualified to make medical decisions, say Ms. Cox has failed to demonstrate her pregnancy places her "at risk of death". Medical decisions about reproductive rights should be made solely by the pregnant woman and her medical advisors. Enacting laws to stop abortions do more harm than good. They do not save lives, they ruin lives.
Ms. Cox and her doctors say that continuing her pr... (show quote)


They certainly ruined the life of the unborn child

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Dec 14, 2023 10:51:38   #
DASHY
 
TexaCan wrote:
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/01/11/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/

Among those ages 15 to 44, there were 24.4 abortions per 1,000 non-Hispanic Black women; 11.4 abortions per 1,000 Hispanic women; 6.2 abortions per 1,000 non-Hispanic White women; and 12.7 abortions per 1,000 women of other races or ethnicities in that age range, the CDC reported from those same 29 states and the District of Columbia.

Most U.S. abortions in 2020 were for women who had previously given birth. 39% of women who had abortions in 2020 had no previous live births at the time they had an abortion, 25% had one previous live birth, 20% had two previous live births, 10% had three, and 6% had four or more previous live births.

For 58% of U.S. women who had induced abortions in 2020, it was the first time they had ever had one, according to the CDC. For nearly a quarter (24%), it was their second abortion. For 10% of women, it was their third, and for 8% it was their fourth or higher. These CDC figures include data from 41 states and New York City (but not the rest of New York).

Nearly four-in-ten women who had abortions in 2020 (39%) had no previous live births at the time they had an abortion, according to the CDC. A quarter of women who had abortions in 2020 had one previous live birth, 20% had two previous live births, 10% had three, and 6% had four or more previous live births. These CDC figures include data from 42 states and New York City (but not the rest of New York).

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Those are just some of the facts surrounding abortion! A total of 58% of abortions were women’s first one, 42% included one or more abortions! Anyone with a lick of sense would understand that the second, third, forth, or higher number of abortions that a woman chose in order to kill her baby because having it was not planned and would be an inconvenience to her for whatever reason 👿…………….And would indicate the last ditch effort at BIRTH CONTROL! Very few abortions are performed for the Mother’s or baby’s health or for rape and incest! Your inability to accept this fact doesn’t help your case!
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/01/11... (show quote)


Abortion laws make no sense. Year 2020 marked the first time that a majority of legal (reported) abortions in the U.S. involved pills. 86% of women who had abortions were unmarried. Most abortion laws allow these sexy single women to have free access to abortion pills that will "kill the baby" in the first few weeks of pregnancy. When the pregnancy reaches the stage where the unborn life of the baby has been judged non-viable and health risks to the mother are apparent, abortion laws step in and try to prevent the mother from receiving life-saving treatment.

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Dec 14, 2023 12:46:12   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
DASHY wrote:
Abortion laws make no sense. Year 2020 marked the first time that a majority of legal (reported) abortions in the U.S. involved pills. 86% of women who had abortions were unmarried. Most abortion laws allow these sexy single women to have free access to abortion pills that will "kill the baby" in the first few weeks of pregnancy. When the pregnancy reaches the stage where the unborn life of the baby has been judged non-viable and health risks to the mother are apparent, abortion laws step in and try to prevent the mother from receiving life-saving treatment.
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Abortion is always at the cost of life! Always!

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Dec 14, 2023 13:05:21   #
DASHY
 
microphor wrote:
Abortion is always at the cost of life! Always!


Americans are not ready to accept abortion laws that reflect that opinion.

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Dec 14, 2023 14:00:58   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
DASHY wrote:
Americans are not ready to accept abortion laws that reflect that opinion.

Abortion is always at the cost of life! Always!

That is not an opinion slick... It's a fact!

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Dec 14, 2023 14:16:30   #
DASHY
 
Parky60 wrote:
Abortion is always at the cost of life! Always!

That is not an opinion slick... It's a fact!


I don't challenge your beliefs. I have my own beliefs. Creating laws about abortion requires compromise. An abortion law that allows "killing the baby" for a few weeks makes no sense to me.

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Dec 14, 2023 15:53:57   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
DASHY wrote:
I don't challenge your beliefs. I have my own beliefs. Creating laws about abortion requires compromise. An abortion law that allows "killing the baby" for a few weeks makes no sense to me.

So killing someone is my "belief"? Tell me slick, how does one "kill the baby" for a few weeks?

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Dec 14, 2023 16:10:56   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
proud republican wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/08/us/texas-abortion-ruling-attorney-general-petition/index.html
Yeah, to hell with the men, if mom wants to kill their baby, dad has no right to save the life of his son or daughter.



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Dec 14, 2023 16:54:34   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Read the TRUE story behind this case.

EXCELLENT NEWS: The Texas Pro-Abortion Crowd Just Got Some Really Disappointing News

The Texas pro-abortion crowd received some very disappointing news on Wednesday.

According to the New York Times, Texas's abortion laws sent the number of abortions performed in the state spiraling downward from thousands and thousands to just over 30 and they are not happy about it:

Texas has publicly reported only 34 abortions so far this year, down from more than 50,000 in 2020, before the first of the severe restrictions went into effect.

That steep decline has occurred even though there have not yet been any prosecutions under the state bans, nor any significant lawsuits against doctors or hospitals. The mere threat of ruinous civil litigation or a lifetime in prison has been enough.

“Essentially, what we have is that no one will take responsibility,” said Molly Duane, a lawyer with the Center for Reproductive Rights who represented Ms. Cox and her doctor. “The court isn’t taking responsibility. The medical board isn’t taking responsibility. And in the meantime, doctors are more afraid than ever, and real patients’ lives hang in the balance.”


That last line from abortion lawyer Molly Duane about lives hanging in the balance is a bit of an exaggeration. Her client, Kate Cox, is currently being used as an example by the pro-abortion industry as to how cruel the Texas abortion laws supposedly are.

As was reported on Tuesday, Cox was forced to journey across state lines to get an abortion performed on her unborn baby after it was diagnosed with Trisomy 18, a chromosomal disorder that has a low rate of survivability. Because Texas laws allow for abortions to occur if the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother, and Trisomy 18 only threatens the baby, the Texas Supreme Court denied her the abortion.

As reported, while Trisomy 18 does have a high death rate, it is not guaranteed to be fatal, and more is being done to help these children thanks to the family of former Senator Rick Santorum:

Trisonomy 18 (or Edwards Syndrome) is not always a fatal diagnosis. It's a troubling one that can result in pregnancy complications, birth defects, and a stillborn birth. But trying to paint it solely as destructive to the child and the mother is wrong. How do we know? Because families have chosen to ignore a diagnosis or a warning and have allowed their child to go to full term. Santorum and his wife Karen made this choice in 2008. While in utero, their daughter Isabella (Bella) was diagnosed with Trisomy 18, and the odds were laid out to them: Only 10 percent of babies diagnosed with Trisomy 18 survive past birth, and of those who do, only 10 percent live to see their first birthday. The surviving babies tend to have heart and lung defects and severe intellectual limitations. The Santorums are devout Catholics (they have eight children) and chose life despite the diagnosis. Bella just celebrated her 15th birthday, and the Santorums help other families who have received this diagnosis but choose life to manage this condition emotionally and, more importantly, medically.

The first lie that the New York Times told in this story is that patients' lives hang in the balance, referring to the women in question. However, this is not the case as 34 abortions have been performed to save the lives of mothers, wiping out that argument. The second lie is that every diagnosis that would complicate a child's life is somehow automatically fatal, but this has also been proven to be an exaggeration meant to elicit emotions from listeners more than understanding.

The pro-abortion crowd in Texas is telling on itself here. They're admitting that children without complications are the only ones who should get the privilege of life, and one has to wonder what kind of message that sends to adults who were once born with birth defects and complications themselves.

Are these abortion activists willing to tell these people they wish they had been aborted to their faces?

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Dec 14, 2023 17:02:03   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
DASHY wrote:
Americans are not ready to accept abortion laws that reflect that opinion.


There's a lot of truth that "some" americans don't want to accept.

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