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Nov 2, 2023 08:34:23   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
permafrost wrote:
Geez Web,, I hate to hear that... While wages have been stagnant from the 70s no way should anyone fall $700 per week behind.. while people have been taking 2nd jobs for ages, even my father took one back in the 50s usually it has not been just to get by, a project of some goal has been the reason.. I have not seen these "most" struggling.. or maybe I am not paying attention.. but thing tend to remains pretty good up in this area/state..

I have been retired since 2003, early because I fell off a ladder and into retirement.. SS back tracked the date so I did start with a lump sum and my investments.. 401k converted to a personal retirement portfolio which has a term which I forgot long ago.. so my money is not a problem... my position has truly not changed much even when trump wa s in office, although his damn tax gift cost me several thousand $$$ but over all my position has not changed much no matter who was in office..


I can only say I hope your position changes for the better very soon.. I can not think of any other remarks to make.. I have been very broke in the past,, so I do know how it hurts.. truly hope for the better..
Geez Web,, I hate to hear that... While wages have... (show quote)


I don't see either what is meant by making ends meet. I am making out good with a part time job! And then a quarter of my paycheck still goes into savings. I guess a person who works for minimum wage won't be able to make it.

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Nov 2, 2023 09:56:31   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
XXX wrote:
I don't see either what is meant by making ends meet. I am making out good with a part time job! And then a quarter of my paycheck still goes into savings. I guess a person who works for minimum wage won't be able to make it.


You must be single, no children, no mortgage.

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Nov 2, 2023 09:59:37   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
youngwilliam wrote:
You must be single, no children, no mortgage.


Got that right! I still hate Biden.

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Nov 2, 2023 10:45:20   #
son of witless
 
permafrost wrote:
The truly deranged people are the ones who kiss trumps ring and other parts to prove their love to a guy who hates them in return.. poor fools..


Whether Trump becomes our next President or not, this is his last go around. I remember how much you guys demonized Nixon, Reagan, GW Bush, and now my boy Donald J. Trump. My question is, who is the next Anti Christ for you guys after Trump fades into history.

I desperately want to know, so that I can vote for him/her in 2028. Take your time. I have 5 years.

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Nov 2, 2023 10:46:55   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
son of witless wrote:
Whether Trump becomes our next President or not, this is his last go around. I remember how much you guys demonized Nixon, Reagan, GW Bush, and now my boy Donald J. Trump. My question is, who is the next Anti Christ for you guys after Trump fades into history.

I desperately want to know, so that I can vote for him/her in 2028. Take your time. I have 5 years.
Whether Trump becomes our next President or not, t... (show quote)



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Nov 2, 2023 11:14:15   #
Secret78
 
There was a time when the US allowed saying prayers and the pledge of alliegance in schools, events that promoted respect, loyalty, commitment and moral values based on what our country was founded on.

It is very hard to comprehend why US immigration politics has forced US citizens to abandon our US customs to accomdate immigrants who rarely forfeit their countries customs while living on US land.

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Nov 2, 2023 11:18:18   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
Secret78 wrote:
There was a time when the US allowed saying prayers and the pledge of alliegance in schools, events that promoted respect, loyalty, commitment and moral values based on what our country was founded on.

It is very hard to comprehend why US immigration politics has forced US citizens to abandon our US customs to accomdate immigrants who rarely forfeit their countries customs while living on US land.


Welcome aboard opp! I love your post and look forward to future ones. Now since there are some people who can't put two and two together on here it might help them out if you use the quote reply button. That way even the dumb will know who you are replying to. Hope you enjoy your days with us.

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Nov 2, 2023 13:27:34   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Secret78 wrote:
There was a time when the US allowed saying prayers and the pledge of alliegance in schools, events that promoted respect, loyalty, commitment and moral values based on what our country was founded on.

It is very hard to comprehend why US immigration politics has forced US citizens to abandon our US customs to accomdate immigrants who rarely forfeit their countries customs while living on US land.


Howdy, howdy & welcome aboard. It's always good to find kindred spirits.

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Nov 4, 2023 00:20:24   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
PeterS wrote:
Supporting several soup kitchens, pantries, plus donating for clothing for the homeless and providing two full-ride scholarships to New Mexico State, and one to UNM for education...UNM is partially funded by my mother's estate. My wife has set up a scholarship program at her college that her AP and mentorship students compete for. She continued to teach instead of retiring so she could devote her salary to that end.

Then of course we vote Democrat. We used to vote for the 'best candidate' but you cons have moved so far to the right that 'best' anymore, is anyone who isn't a far right-wing conservative. That leaves only Democrats to vote for.
Supporting several soup kitchens, pantries, plus d... (show quote)


You need to get around more! By far the majority of conservatives are center-right and right, not far right. Both parties have far wings of reactionary dufuses not to be trusted with any power of office. Ignoring these puts you closer to the far left wing in your thinking.

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Nov 4, 2023 02:47:36   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
The thinking such as it is, by the right wingers that any of the founders of our country were conservatives is rebutted by the very fact they were willing to go to war rather then let things remain as vassals of king George..
WTF? Are you trying to say because our founders revolted against tyranny and won our independence, they are leftists? Well, isn't that a hoot. How could you be so freaking wrong about something like that?
You must be like super 'woke'.

Projecting guilt, denying responsibility, and refusing accountability is the MO of the democrat party.

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Nov 4, 2023 07:41:45   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
WTF? Are you trying to say because our founders revolted against tyranny and won our independence, they are leftists? Well, isn't that a hoot. How could you be so freaking wrong about something like that?
You must be like super 'woke'.

Projecting guilt, denying responsibility, and refusing accountability is the MO of the democrat party.


Think a moment blade the very definition of a conservative is that they do not want change. We see thise every day in the varied rants of the current right wingers.. Back in the day of our revolution, the conservatives did not want to change from being part of the most powerful nation at the time.. they wanted to stay with King George.. and so the ran away, hid, did NOT fight the king..

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Nov 4, 2023 18:26:02   #
WEBCO
 
permafrost wrote:
Think a moment blade the very definition of a conservative is that they do not want change. We see thise every day in the varied rants of the current right wingers.. Back in the day of our revolution, the conservatives did not want to change from being part of the most powerful nation at the time.. they wanted to stay with King George.. and so the ran away, hid, did NOT fight the king..


Your "very definition" is wrong. We don't want a change from our traditional American values of freedom and equality, not equity

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Nov 4, 2023 20:50:39   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
permafrost wrote:
Think a moment blade the very definition of a conservative is that they do not want change. We see thise every day in the varied rants of the current right wingers.. Back in the day of our revolution, the conservatives did not want to change from being part of the most powerful nation at the time.. they wanted to stay with King George.. and so the ran away, hid, did NOT fight the king..


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In contradiction to your thesis that conservatives abhor change, that is not, and has never been the conservative outlook at all. The following lays out some of the main points of the conservative idea on changes.
1. We are all for changes that prove to be necessary and desirable for the nation and the citizenry.
2. We ask for some form of proof or analytics that better define the necessity and desirability.
3. We ask for model efforts, trial runs in for instance one of the states to be able to see the change in action and make corrections before expanding the change to the nation as a whole.
4. We are cost-conscious and do not wish find we have bought a pig in a poke, so realistic cost analysis is in order.
5. If it is an emergency situation, we cut a few corners to fix the problem, but want to revisit the whole thing real soon to set it properly.
6. We deeply reset the number of programs that have been slammed through the congress and the presidency, only to find it to crash and burn inside a few years at a great loss to the taxpayer . Some of us resent the whole idea of uncontested, undebated funds earmarked for constituencies by the billions.
7. We have supported the military very strongly, believing that we reach peace through strength.
8. We support having a budget and sticking to it as best we can.
9. We listen to the people and what their needs are not what we decide to do on our own.
10. Recognize that we are a minority within the Republican Party, and cannot move things along without the full support of all republicans, which limits the conservative agenda seriously. I am NOT talking here about Republicans but real conservatives. They are not synonymous. Much more can be said, but this sets the tone.

When we look at the social side, all we can do today is shudder. We list PC, Woke, Trans, CRT, dumbing down the schools, and quite a few other tax and spend mistakes of the left as totally irresponsible and contrary to our values as Americans. These kinds of changes are not uplifting for the people, they are confrontational, sexist, and immoral. Conservatives want none of that! We will change back!

Ever think that ideas and people both evolve over time? A conservative today is not the same animal as those of even just 10 or 15 years ago, and as for King George's time, big evolutions. I dare say no one is the same as their early adulthood now!

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Nov 4, 2023 21:22:58   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
Think a moment blade the very definition of a conservative is that they do not want change..
That is absolutely untrue.
Conservatives welcome change, but it must be a change that will benefit all the people, not just a select few.
This is a world of duality, bubba, good and evil, right and wrong, left and right,
light and dark, up and down, black and white,
MAN and WOMAN.

There are changes that reward and changes that punish, changes that sustain freedom and changes that oppress.
There are changes that bring glory and changes that bring shame;
changes that bring victory and changes that bring defeat.

And right now, the changes are leading us to punishment, to oppression, to shame and defeat.

Hell ya, we conservatives welcome change. And we pray to our living God for it.

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Nov 4, 2023 22:07:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
manning5 wrote:
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In contradiction to your thesis that conservatives abhor change, that is not, and has never been the conservative outlook at all. The following lays out some of the main points of the conservative idea on changes.
1. We are all for changes that prove to be necessary and desirable for the nation and the citizenry.
2. We ask for some form of proof or analytics that better define the necessity and desirability.
3. We ask for model efforts, trial runs in for instance one of the states to be able to see the change in action and make corrections before expanding the change to the nation as a whole.
4. We are cost-conscious and do not wish find we have bought a pig in a poke, so realistic cost analysis is in order.
5. If it is an emergency situation, we cut a few corners to fix the problem, but want to revisit the whole thing real soon to set it properly.
6. We deeply reset the number of programs that have been slammed through the congress and the presidency, only to find it to crash and burn inside a few years at a great loss to the taxpayer . Some of us resent the whole idea of uncontested, undebated funds earmarked for constituencies by the billions.
7. We have supported the military very strongly, believing that we reach peace through strength.
8. We support having a budget and sticking to it as best we can.
9. We listen to the people and what their needs are not what we decide to do on our own.
10. Recognize that we are a minority within the Republican Party, and cannot move things along without the full support of all republicans, which limits the conservative agenda seriously. I am NOT talking here about Republicans but real conservatives. They are not synonymous. Much more can be said, but this sets the tone.

When we look at the social side, all we can do today is shudder. We list PC, Woke, Trans, CRT, dumbing down the schools, and quite a few other tax and spend mistakes of the left as totally irresponsible and contrary to our values as Americans. These kinds of changes are not uplifting for the people, they are confrontational, sexist, and immoral. Conservatives want none of that! We will change back!

Ever think that ideas and people both evolve over time? A conservative today is not the same animal as those of even just 10 or 15 years ago, and as for King George's time, big evolutions. I dare say no one is the same as their early adulthood now!
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Your last paragraph is correct.. but as for back in the day.. NO..

The conservative Americans in the Revolutionary time were Royalists. Conservatives preserve the status quo.

The Revolution was anti-authoritarian, egalitarian and liberating. The proof is in the Declaration of Independence of the United States and the U.S. Constitution.

The reason the revolution is sometimes called conservative is because the written documents did not call for vengeance.. that would have been "radical" ...


Note again, that there was no mention or intention of seeking vengeance. The French Revolution sought to eliminate the royal class by guillotine. The Russian Revolution did that then continued in a power struggle which consumed vast swaths of the Russian people.

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