This is for some of Hamas apologists.. Please explain how you can defend this????.. 40 babies beheaded by Hamas terrorists. (Page 5): How many Muslims out of the 2 billion in the...

Justice101

proud republican wrote:

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How many Muslims out of the 2 billion in the world think the way that these savages think? It's scary that we have so many pro-Palestinian/Hamas sympathizers in the United States, and we don't know how many undetected terrorists came in through our porous south border under our Liar-n-thief Biden.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Justice101 wrote:

How many Muslims out of the 2 billion in the world think the way that these savages think? It's scary that we have so many pro-Palestinian/Hamas sympathizers in the United States, and we don't know how many undetected terrorists came in through our porous south border under our Liar-n-thief Biden.

The porous Southern Border is the scariest part..

Justice101

proud republican wrote:

The porous Southern Border is the scariest part..

True!

keepuphope Loc: Idaho

pegw wrote:

So the Israelis warn them before they bomb their hospitals?

YES!!!!

SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics

Kevyn wrote:

No one can, nor can the deaths of hundreds of children in Gaza at the hands of Israel be forgiven. What is your solution?

How about if the people of Palestinians elected officials that wanted to help improve their own lives, and ditch the rabid hatred displayed by Hamas? The "deaths of hundreds of children in Gaza" is tragic, and yes it was at the hands of Israel, but is the full responsibility of Hamas (ex. hiding military targets in schools). If the Palestinians are justified in attacking Israel for what ever atrocities there may be, why isn't Israel justified in attacking Hamas for the atrocities of the last few days?

WEBCO

pegw wrote:

Remember it takes two sides to make a fight. The Israelis have not exactly treated the Palestinians like royalty in the past. However, this is no excuse to go all Attila the Hun, or for Israelis to match them in cruelty. We have the Geneva Conventions and they should be respected.

All rules are off. The palestinians have created the rules to play by, don't try to hamstring Isreal with the Geneva convention, now.

WEBCO

pegw wrote:

So the Israelis warn them before they bomb their hospitals?

Yes, because that's where the cowards hide. Any, and all, casualties from here forward are the result of Hamas's actions. Isreal has no culpability from this point forward.

Radiance3

Blade_Runner wrote:

Why did God command the genocide of the Canaanites?
In Deuteronomy 20:16–17, God commanded the Israelites, “In the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.” A similar command is given concerning the Amalekites in 1 Samuel 15:2–3. Why would God have the Israelites exterminate entire groups of people, women and children included?

Before we look at the reasons given in Scripture for the commands to exterminate certain groups of people, it’s important to realize that the Israelites were not given free rein to slaughter everyone they met. Consider the following:

• The standard procedure for battling a city was to first extend terms of peace (Deuteronomy 20:10). If the terms were accepted, the people of that city lived and became subservient to Israel (verse 11). If the terms were rejected, the city was besieged and the men were killed, but the women and children were spared (verses 12–14). Attacking a city within Canaan called for different rules and represented an exception to this standard.

• God did not sanction all of the wars recorded in the Old Testament. The battles that were part of the conquest of Canaan were intended for a particular time and limited to a particular people group. The conquest of Canaan had clear limits, geographically and historically.

• The wars sanctioned by God beyond the time of Joshua were defensive in nature. A number of the battles that Israel fought on the way to and within Canaan were also defensive in nature (Exodus 17:8; Numbers 21:21 –32; Deuteronomy 2:26 –37; Joshua 10:4).

Here are the reasons Scripture gives for commanding ancient Israel to annihilate certain people groups:

1. To judge the Canaanites for their abominations. The Canaanites were a brutal and wicked culture that frequently engaged in incredibly decadent behavior. Leviticus 18 provides a list of sins that Israel was to avoid at all costs: incest, child sacrifice, homosexuality, and bestiality. All these sins were practiced by the people of Canaan: “This is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. . . . All these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled” (Leviticus 18:24–27).

In ordering the destruction of the Canaanites, God enacted a form of corporate capital punishment on a people that had been deserving of God’s judgment for some time. God had given the Canaanite people over 400 years to repent (Genesis 15:13–16). Then came judgment day. God could have used any means to destroy the Canaanites, but He chose to use the Israelites as the instrument of judgment. This method not only rid the world of an evil and deeply depraved society, but it also provided a ready-made home for God’s chosen people, the Hebrews.

The Canaanites knew what was coming and had heard of God’s awesome power (Joshua 2:10–11; 9:9). Such awareness should have prompted their repentance, but they remained resistant to God. The Canaanite Rahab was saved, and so was her family, and they are proof that the Canaanites could have avoided destruction if they had repented (Joshua 2). No person had to die. God’s desire is that the wicked turn from their sin rather than perish (Ezekiel 18:31–32; 33:11).

2. To stave off idolatry and compromise. In Deuteronomy 20, immediately after God commanded that the Canaanites be completely wiped out, God gave the reason: “Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God” (Deuteronomy 20:18). The reason for the extermination was to prevent religious compromise and spiritual adultery: if the Israelites left survivors, the sin of idolatry would follow.

The Israelites failed in their mission and left many Canaanites alive (Joshua 16:10; 17:12–13; Judges 1:29). Exactly what God said would happen occurred. Israel compromised with Canaanite culture and fell into idolatry time and again (Judges 2:1–3; 1 Kings 11:5; 14:24; 2 Kings 16:3–4). God’s order to exterminate the Canaanites was meant to guard His relationship with His people.

3. To prevent future problems. God knows the future. God knew what the results would be if Israel did not completely eradicate their enemies. The Amalekites were not Canaanites, but they attacked Israel several times and forged alliances with the Canaanites (Exodus 17:8–13; Numbers 14:45; Judges 3:13; 6:3), so they also fell under God’s judgment. King Saul was given the responsibility to exterminate the Amalekites (1 Samuel 15:2–3). Saul shirked his duty and lied about it (1 Samuel 15:20). The results were dire—just a couple of decades later, there were enough Amalekites to take David and his men’s families captive (1 Samuel 30:1–2). Several hundred years after that, a descendant of the Amalekites, Haman, tried to have the entire Jewish people exterminated (see the book of Esther). So, Saul’s incomplete obedience almost resulted in Israel’s destruction. If Saul had obeyed the voice of the Lord, it would have saved David’s men and the Jews of Esther’s day a lot of trouble.

4. To fulfil the curse on Canaan. Centuries before Moses’ command to eradicate the Canaanites, Noah had cursed one of Ham’s sons: “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers” (Genesis 9:25). Canaan was the ancestor of the Canaanites, as Genesis 10 makes clear. The descendants of Canaan include the Sidonians, the Hittites, the Jebusites, the Amorites, and the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 10:15–19). Noah’s curse/prophecy came true during the time of Joshua. The Canaanites were conquered by the Israelites, who were descendants of one of Ham’s brothers, Shem. Not all of the Canaanites were exterminated; true to God’s Word, some of the Canaanites became slaves (Joshua 9:27; 17:12–13).

The most difficult part of the command of Deuteronomy 20:16–17 is that, when the Canaanites were exterminated, women and children were not spared. Why would God order the death of noncombatants and innocent children? Here are some things to remember:
⁍ No one is “innocent” in the sense of being sinless (Psalm 51:5; 58:3).
⁍ These women were participants in the degrading sins of Canaan, and the children would have grown up sympathetic to the evil religions and practices of their parents.
⁍ These women and, eventually, the children would naturally have been resentful of the Israelites and later sought to avenge the “unjust” treatment the Canaanite men had received.

In the end, God is sovereign over all of life, and He can take it whenever and however He sees fit. God alone can give life, and God alone has the right to take it. God is under no obligation to extend anyone’s life for even another day. How and when we die is completely up to Him. In the case of the Canaanites, their end came after a time of tolerance and patient grace. But Judgment Day finally comes to all, and it came to the Canaanites via the Hebrew people.

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Since the beginning from Noah:

The Canaanites, many of them descendants of Canaan the son of Ham. Ham was the son of Noah who failed to help his father when asleep naked due to have taken too much of the grape wine.

Ham told his 2 brothers Shem and Jaffet who took care of their father Noah and covered him with a blanket.

Canaan was cursed by God. The land of Canaan where why lived was given instead to the children of Israel. The promise of God to Abraham after his faith was tested by God offering his son Isaac in the land of Moriah.
Genesis 17: 8
https://biblehub.com/genesis/17-8.h
And to you and your descendants I will give the land where you are residing—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal possession; and I will be their God.

http://godswarplan.com/allotment-promised-land-joshua-13-24-conquest-canaan-12-tribes-land-division-israelite-settlements

When the Jews returned from Egypt, Joshua was ushered to settle in the land of Canaan, their eternal possession given by God.

What comprises Canaan?
Land and Time - Canaan & Ancient Israel @ University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology.

The land known as Canaan was situated in the territory of the southern Levant, which today encompasses Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, Jordan, and the southern portions of Syria and Lebanon.

So, the Muslims living in Southern Levant don't own the land.
The West Bank, Gaza, Jordan, Southern portion of Syria, and Lebanon. All these belong to the Jewish people when God gave them the whole land of Canaan. These Muslims living at this land are all invaders.

When the British ended its settlement in Jerusalem, helped Jewish return to Israel.
Creation of the Nation of Israel in 1948.
On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.

At that time, in 1948, Palestinians have no country of their own! They are squatters and invaders.

It was only in 1988 the Palestine National Council meeting in Algiers proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine, at the land owned by the Jewish people.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

RandyBrian wrote:

I understand and agree.
What I do not understand is why more of the non-violent Palestinians do not move to other lands. A few have. Are they not being allowed to go, or are they choosing not to go? If they are not allowed to leave, who is preventing it? If I were Palestinian, no matter how much I hated Israel and loved the land it sits on, I would do everything in my power to get my family OUT!!!

Peace always, my Brother
Randy

It is always hard to leave your homeland and friends. But I believe those in the Golan Heights were allowed to leave. That made it easier for Israeli citizens to buy the land and move in. As for the West bank, I believe they might be able to leave. And there is little left to stay for. The Israelis have established settlements, often by confiscation, and against International law. There is little left of the West Bank for them to live on accept the old ghettos. As for the Gaza Strip, I don't believe they can leave. Like prisoners in an open air cell. That and a lack of money from no employment for years.

International Law says that the Israelis have no right to confiscation of that land and they did actually confiscate land owned by Palestinians in the initial wars like in 67. In Israel proper, the Palestinians who stayed and became Israeli citizens, are still, after fifty years, not given full citizenship. They have restrictions.

I watched an old movie last night. Nuremberg. About the prosecution of the Nazi leaders after WWII. And I kept thinking about what and how that reflects on what is happening in Gaza on a daily basis today and over the years. These people are taught Islam and to obey all their lives. They are bred for indoctrination. They don't know any better. Especially the women. In a relatively free muslin society, the women are restricted and breeders. As for the men, if their religious leaders at the mosque tell them to hate Jews, they will hate Jews. Their school books for the children are twisted to reflect hatred for the Jews from a religious and secular basis from their earliest days, and that is all they know. Many are now running for their lives. But for every person killed in retaliation, no matter how justifiable the Jews or the rest of the world might think it is, you are creating another houseful of militants that will seek revenge in this never ending vicious cycle. And it will be a life long hatred.

Revenge isn't the answer.
Jail isn't the answer. They are already living in an equivalent imprisonment.
Some freedom, a stick and carrot approach is a start.
Some justice from their viewpoint is.
A State of their own is. With international peace guarantees.
There are many ideas and no one answer.

Logically Right

Radiance3

LogicallyRight wrote:

It is always hard to leave your homeland and friends. But I believe those in the Golan Heights were allowed to leave. That made it easier for Israeli citizens to buy the land and move in. As for the West bank, I believe they might be able to leave. And there is little left to stay for. The Israelis have established settlements, often by confiscation, and against International law. There is little left of the West Bank for them to live on accept the old ghettos. As for the Gaza Strip, I don't believe they can leave. Like prisoners in an open air cell. That and a lack of money from no employment for years.

International Law says that the Israelis have no right to confiscation of that land and they did actually confiscate land owned by Palestinians in the initial wars like in 67. In Israel proper, the Palestinians who stayed and became Israeli citizens, are still, after fifty years, not given full citizenship. They have restrictions.

I watched an old movie last night. Nuremberg. About the prosecution of the Nazi leaders after WWII. And I kept thinking about what and how that reflects on what is happening in Gaza on a daily basis today and over the years. These people are taught Islam and to obey all their lives. They are bred for indoctrination. They don't know any better. Especially the women. In a relatively free muslin society, the women are restricted and breeders. As for the men, if their religious leaders at the mosque tell them to hate Jews, they will hate Jews. Their school books for the children are twisted to reflect hatred for the Jews from a religious and secular basis from their earliest days, and that is all they know. Many are now running for their lives. But for every person killed in retaliation, no matter how justifiable the Jews or the rest of the world might think it is, you are creating another houseful of militants that will seek revenge in this never ending vicious cycle. And it will be a life long hatred.

Revenge isn't the answer.
Jail isn't the answer. They are already living in an equivalent imprisonment.
Some freedom, a stick and carrot approach is a start.
Some justice from their viewpoint is.
A State of their own is. With international peace guarantees.
There are many ideas and no one answer.

Logically Right

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Israel did not confiscate any land. They owned their land since the beginning, Syria was part of Canaan! The Muslims were the invaders!

Who owns Golan Heights?
Since the Six-Day War of 1967, the western two-thirds of the Golan Heights has been occupied and administered by Israel, whereas the eastern third remains under the control of Syria.

Syria was part of Canaan given by God to the Jewish people as their land of inheritance. Canaan belong to the Jewish people.

jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin

LogicallyRight wrote:

Let me be clear here. I can not defend the killing of those babies any more then I can accept the massive abortions allowed and even encouraged here in America. Both are wrong.

I don't accept their rampage through the streets of Israel, killing, raping, arson, hostages. All savage.

But I have to wonder how long I would take to rebel and strike out in some manner if I were a Palestinian, confined to that hell hole Gaza. The only people on the planet not allowed to be recognized as a state. Many had their innocent families driven from their homes over 50 years ago. Many are good people that just want a shot at a reasonable life for themselves and their families with a chance to make themselves better and maybe travel out of Gaza and see the world like everyone else on the planet. And I can already see your fingers typing away, 'Get rid of Hamas'. We spend day after day arguing about how to get rid of biden and his administration and democrats, or how to destroy Trump and keep Republicans out of office. We spend to much or we don't spend enough. Arm Ukraine or get the hell out. The borders are closed or it is an invasion. And just what in hell has any of you, and me, done to change any of that? In the land of the free. How in hell can you expect the prisoners in Gaza, and they are essentially in a prison, get rid of Hamas and their weapons and power?

These people are taught from birth to hate Israel. We are objecting to the way our government is brainwashing our children on leftist ideology and phony woke propaganda. They can't object there, and our leaders are trying to keep us from objecting here. The Palestinian citizens of Israel don't have full rights in Israel. Apartheid? The West Bank is slowly being divided up for settlements in nice homes while the local Palestinians are in shacks or ghettos, and hardly ever able to find work, much less schooling.

These people have been shit on their whole lives. What they are doing today is hatred and frustration beyond your and my imagination. What would you do in their sandals? I don't know. I would like to think I would fight back. But how. I can't see myself doing what they are doing today, but they feel they have no other choice but to fight back.

Maybe if the Israeli's had the same fighting spirit 2000 years ago as Hamas today, they might not have been thrown out of Israel in the first place.

Right now, this war needs to end ASAP with as little future bloodshed as possible. Then find a real solution for statehood, and territory for the Palestinians and security for Israel. And enforce it as necessary.

Both sides are at fault. Both sides need to find a solution. And I can't get that worked up in sympathy for the Jewish position until the Palestinians also have their freedom.

Logically Right

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Wow Logically right for once you are correct. Except That the Middle east will never be completely safe as you have said for yourself they truly hate each other. You could put one group on the NorthPole and the Other at the South Pole and they would still fight Sad isn't it

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

jimpack123 wrote:

Wow Logically right for once you are correct. Except That the Middle east will never be completely safe as you have said for yourself they truly hate each other. You could put one group on the NorthPole and the Other at the South Pole and they would still fight Sad isn't it

Israel SHOULD fight for its existence...There's NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS about it!!..

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Jim0001 wrote:

The Gaza strip has been given money to improve their standards of living but chose rather to arm themselves, they use the sewers not for sewage but to store weapons.
Muslims have but one goal and that is to kill anyone who does not think as they do.
I cannot afford to coexist with any who wish my destruction and that includes democrats.

I was just making some observations and comments. Not advocating for either side. Both sides are wrong.

Logically Right

Jim0001 Loc: originally from Tennessee, now Virginia, USA

pegw wrote:

Remember it takes two sides to make a fight. The Israelis have not exactly treated the Palestinians like royalty in the past. However, this is no excuse to go all Attila the Hun, or for Israelis to match them in cruelty. We have the Geneva Conventions and they should be respected.

You are so ignorant. The U.S. is the only country who adheres to the Geneva convention. We have had a lot of American military killed because of that and ROE. Hamas is not a nation anyway. Go watch the "View", it suits your IQ.

Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

proud republican wrote:

HOW CAN ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND CAN DEFEND THESE LOWER THAN DIRT ANIMALS?.. 😡😡😡😡🤮😡😡😡🤮🤮😡😡😡

https://www.foxnews.com/world/40-babies-some-beheaded-found-israel-soldiers-hamas-attacked-village

This is not cut and dried. On the one hand, I decry the death of any child - whether it be by direct contact (Hamas), bombing (Israel), or in the womb (Planned Parenthood). Israel's treatment of the denizens of Gaza has been heavy handed and brutal for a long time. That Hamas has retaliated isn't in itself surprising. That said, something doesn't smell right, and people who should know are calling out the security breakdowns that allowed this to happen as being somehow manipulated. And isn't it amazing that just when the general populace of the US has lost its desire to fund Ukraine - this happens - and now Biden wants to shovel money & weapons to Israel AND Ukraine. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that shadowy figures behind the scenes are orchestrating all of this, and they know that headlines like this one from Faux News will cause most people to react before thinking critically. For now, I will condemn the violence on both sides, but I think we'd be wise to hold on to our emotions and see how this plays out.