No athiest here and have indicated that over the years on OPP. But I am no fan of religions. God or any of the names for God, did not create religions. They are man made and more often then not, tools for people to control people. All religions offer many ways of honoring God and praying to God etc. And all of those are completely against what God could possibly wants but man craves. Any so called God that would want that couldn't possibly be a God. God supposedly knows what we think and therefore he knows what we think we want, and looks on praise and asking for favors as beneath what we were created for. He put us here to enjoy the life we have, work for our own interests and needs, and propagate a future humanity, without taking unfair advantage of anyone. We create governments and religions to take advantage of others. You can believe in wh**ever religion you want. I believe along the lines I stated and live a fairly good life in respect towards others. Perfect? No. But better then most.

As for antisemitism, no more then anti Islam. And that goes for all religions that try to push their religion and beliefs on other or harm others for their believes. Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and any others. And that goes for outright force and daily manners that are overbearing on others around them. I have no hatred for Jews or Muslims as people. But a dislike and distrust for their collective influence, either subtle on out right, in establishing themselves against the will of others, and trying to force their practices on others.

And as for the land currently known as Israel and Palestine, neither religion or race or culture has a greater claim on that land then the other, by virtue of the race or religion or culture. God did not create that land for Israel 3000 years ago. God could only treat all people equally and what you propose is not equal. The Jews are not his chosen people. That is a self serving claim. And their current claim to that land was in part created by terrorism against the English ruling over that area after WWII. That and sympathy in a divided world towards the Jews who suffered greatly in WWII. But it was done at the expense of the Palestinians who were living there and later wars and conquest and illegal settling on land that they took in war, against United Nations rules. And this was all during 70 or so years of keeping the Palestinians as cheap labor, and ghetto dwellers, and finally as open air prisoners in surrounded little villages and Gaza.

Have the Palestinians been assholes over the years? Yes. Have the Israelis been assholes over the years? Yes. And until they work together there will probably be no solution unless it is forced on them by the UN, and their Arab neighbors, and the west, and with troops to support that. That is the pathetic reality. I feel sorry for both sides. And both sides are wrong more then they are right.

Logically Right

No athiest here and have indicated that over the years on OPP. But I am no fan of religions. God or any of the names for God, did not create religions. They are man made and more often then not, tools for people to control people. All religions offer many ways of honoring God and praying to God etc. And all of those are completely against what God could possibly wants but man craves. Any so called God that would want that couldn't possibly be a God. God supposedly knows what we think and therefore he knows what we think we want, and looks on praise and asking for favors as beneath what we were created for. He put us here to enjoy the life we have, work for our own interests and needs, and propagate a future humanity, without taking unfair advantage of anyone. We create governments and religions to take advantage of others. You can believe in wh**ever religion you want. I believe along the lines I stated and live a fairly good life in respect towards others. Perfect? No. But better then most.

As for antisemitism, no more then anti Islam. And that goes for all religions that try to push their religion and beliefs on other or harm others for their believes. Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and any others. And that goes for outright force and daily manners that are overbearing on others around them. I have no hatred for Jews or Muslims as people. But a dislike and distrust for their collective influence, either subtle on out right, in establishing themselves against the will of others, and trying to force their practices on others.

And as for the land currently known as Israel and Palestine, neither religion or race or culture has a greater claim on that land then the other, by virtue of the race or religion or culture. God did not create that land for Israel 3000 years ago. God could only treat all people equally and what you propose is not equal. The Jews are not his chosen people. That is a self serving claim. And their current claim to that land was in part created by terrorism against the English ruling over that area after WWII. That and sympathy in a divided world towards the Jews who suffered greatly in WWII. But it was done at the expense of the Palestinians who were living there and later wars and conquest and illegal settling on land that they took in war, against United Nations rules. And this was all during 70 or so years of keeping the Palestinians as cheap labor, and ghetto dwellers, and finally as open air prisoners in surrounded little villages and Gaza.

Have the Palestinians been assholes over the years? Yes. Have the Israelis been assholes over the years? Yes. And until they work together there will probably be no solution unless it is forced on them by the UN, and their Arab neighbors, and the west, and with troops to support that. That is the pathetic reality. I feel sorry for both sides. And both sides are wrong more then they are right.

Logically Right

There is, and only can be, one Creator of this universe and all life within it.
This wonderful universe and the gift of Life is not within the power of finite beings to create,
and all this is not the result of a conference of pagan gods and goddesses deciding to create a universe,
not the product of an angelic host or a decision by a committee of deities.

There is only one God, we did not create Him, He created us.
He gave us the rules we must live by;
He rewards those who follow His rules,
and punishes those who don't.
The choice is ours.

And how is that supposed to make me believe in the Jews and their history. Sounds like some pretty brutal people there. Oh, but God told them to do it. And now it is wrong for the Palestinians to fight back against the oppression they have endured of late. When Allah tells them to k**l the infidels.

I don't give a damn about any of that. I am dealing in today and what I and many others have seen in our life time. Have the Jews been persecuted? Yes. Have Jews been wonderful members of society at large? Not always. Have they been wonderful neighbors? Not always. Sort of like a lot of people's ancestors. The Jews out dated claim to the land of Israel, sucks. Is it totally irrelevant now? Yes.
We are talking about people who in some instances remember being driven from their homes by the Israelis. And they haven't quit the fight. Do they have a right to k**l innocent women and children and behead babies in their battle? NO. Some utter savagery. But is that a sign of their utter frustration? Yes, probably in many cases. As I have tried to say all along, there is no cause for utter savagery. But their are two sides in this continuing war. There is some justification on both sides for many actions taken. And there is much blame on both sides for the continuing war. It isn't a right/left issue. It isn't a Republican/democrat issue here in America. It is a Jewish/Muslim issue and that is stupid as they both pray to the same one God. It is about one side being able to conquer the other, and often subjugating the other side, segregating them in Ghettos, and confiscation of their lands. It is about the other side never accepting this and rising up continuously, individually and collectively, as they seek their lands back, and revenge. They then cause the other side to enact mass revenge. Both sides then breed a whole new block of enemies that will never accept those that k**led their families. And the whole mess swirls deeper and deeper into the savagery we just witnessed and what we will witness in the coming weeks.
It all creates block heads in governments who will never look at the other side and work to resolve the issues. We see that here, personally, with blockheads who have taken a position and attack the other side with a vengeance and refuse to see a damn point the other side might be trying to make. Pathetic and tragic. And the h**e goes on, growing by the day, here and there.

Logically Right

Can you "logically" tell me, what those Beheaded babies were doing that the "Palestinians were fighting back against"? How about them unarmed civilians that were just h*****g out with their families, women and the elderly or the ring of fire victims? What was the Palestinians fighting back against with these innocents? Will innocent Palestinians die as a result of the "unprovoked" attack on these innocents? Yes. That saddens me, too bad it doesn't sadden the cowards who set the ball in motion, maybe they wouldn't have done it if they cared for their own innocent!

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What apartheid are you talking about? Palestine lives separately from Israel.

While Israel is the world’s only Jewish state, located just east of the Mediterranean Sea.

After the British left Jerusalem in 1948, the Jewish people were asked to return to their own land.

The United Nation then created a nation of Israel in 1948.
Israel owns their land since God ushered them to return to their land of Canaan from Egypt.

Palestine were invaders, along with the rest of Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, the Levant, and Palestine. That land they are now living was the Canaan given by God to Israel. I have repeated this over and over.

In 1988, the UN created a nation of Palestine, where they are now located.

Israel has been constantly attacked by the people of Palestine. They throw rocks and shooting rockets. Hamas occupied and lied among Palestinians with the purpose of totally destroying Israel.

Israel had to defend its land and people.

Can you "logically" tell me, what those Beheaded babies were doing that the "Palestinians were fighting back against"? How about them unarmed civilians that were just h*****g out with their families, women and the elderly or the ring of fire victims? What was the Palestinians fighting back against with these innocents? Will innocent Palestinians die as a result of the "unprovoked" attack on these innocents? Yes. That saddens me, too bad it doesn't sadden the cowards who set the ball in motion, maybe they wouldn't have done it if they cared for their own innocent!

***After the British left Jerusalem in 1948, the Jewish people were asked to return to their own land.
>>>I think you have that completely mixed up.

As for God giving that land to the Israelis and that being their land forever is just poppy cock in my thinking. God never gave anyone or people any specific land mass at anytime and it is all self serving propaganda. They are not God's chosen people and no one else is either. And that is also self serving Jewish propaganda. We are all equal. I can't believe any God, much less then one God most people believe in, would create any one group, both the good and bad within that group, as greater then all others or having some special love for.

And if they have some special right to that specific acreage, we are going to have to give all of North and South America back to the Indians. Just more self serving poppy cock.