dwp66

"I usually try to stay away from being too Churchy on the OPP..."

No, you don't. You preach loudly & often to libs you may encounter here, as any review of your history shows. If you don't realize that, then you are surely delusional.

I certainly do, however, regret that I forgot one of my own rules here: I got into a debate with a religious fanatic, which is like debating an ultra MAGA, and akin to trying to dig a hole in the sand with a spoon - a total waste of time.

I should have known better and saved all the keystrokes.

EmilyD

It’s what padre DOES in life! And you will probably sneer at this, but even if you’re not “interested” in religion, he has a lot of knowledge of it’s historical side as well as it’s meaningfulness to those of us who have not studied it as thoroughly as he has.

You are not obligated to be disrespectful to him because you dislike this about him.

dwp66

You know nothing about me. Know what they say about assumptions?

I was raised in the South in the Church of Christ, very similar to Southern Baptists. From birth to the age of 17, church three times a week, VBS in the summers, Church Camp every year. My dad was a Deacon, I was baptized at the age of 12, and my first Bible is still on my bookshelf.

And I can truthfully say that I have read it, in its entirety, more than once. That's not saying that I can quote chapter & verse 50 years later - but I have indeed read it and remember a lot (including all the contradictions it contains). I consider myself spiritual, but no longer believe in the God I was bought up on. That's 𝒎𝒚 choice - based on 𝒎𝒚 life experiences and 𝒎𝒚 own expanding repertoire of thought over the years. Happily, along with three of my siblings I am no longer brainwashed by my upbringing in an evangelical family, although I loved my parents dearly.

I'm "...try(ing) to shove guilt trips on us"? HaHaHa! Are you kidding? Christianity is all about guilt trips! Too many to even list, that would require a whole new thread just to start and I have no desire to do that.

That being said, I feel zero need to push my agnosticism on anyone, ever, or feel any need to preach it here on social media. I don't wear it on my sleeve any more than I would, say, wear my political preference on my head in the form of a red hat or a huge flag on my pickup.

"Padre" flaunts his religious fervor 𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒏 𝒊𝒏 𝒉𝒊𝒔 𝒔𝒄𝒓𝒆𝒆𝒏 𝒏𝒂𝒎𝒆. He just can't help himself. That's his choice.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

It's always the same with you Godless apostates. You deny God and cannot abide those of us who won't compromise the faith. I do stay away from being too churchy but I attack vigorously the moral issues that affect both the church and society.

The church you were raised up in promotes both the LGBTQ perversions and abortion. It's no wonder you're so screwed up. You're now in the Church in which you truly belong. Its the common church for all you apostate Democrats. It’s the First Relevant, Modern, Contemporary Please-yourself, Have-it-your-own-way Church of you know, that thing. Instead of an hour and a half, the services are only fifteen minutes. There are no sermons. They make sure that all the music is entertaining as well as uplifting, AND you get to choose your seven favorite commandments and forget the rest.

You waste my time.

EmilyD

Lots of people have Bibles on their shelves for decorative purposes. It's a nice thing, isn't it, when people come in to your home and see it piously sitting there. They must think what a nice person you are...is that why it's there? And WHY is it sitting there? What use do you have for it as an Agnostic?? So you can refer to it when you need to bash people with the things that are written in it???

That's pretty sick.

And if you felt "zero" need to push your agnosticism on anyone, you need to up that number by a few, since you just pushed it! You didn't have to go into you're being Agnostic, but for some reason you needed to...why is that, I wonder? Are you trying to justify it?

It seems that padre's religious fervor....even his username!.....sets you off on some kind of tangent. What's wrong with him being passionate about his faith? A lot of us on here are. If that drives you so nuts, maybe you're on the wrong forum.

dwp66

I keep that Bible because my father gave it to me. It's that simple. It's not "on display", by any means. I hide behind nothing, and my friends are all well aware of my religious views.

Your charge that I have "pushed" my agnosticism anywhere, at any time, is pure unadulterated bullshit. What that statement actually is, EmilyD, is pure 𝒑𝒓𝒐𝒋𝒆𝒄𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏. You do that. Padre does that. Other people here do that. But count me out, I never "push" my religious views on anyone! And the suggestion that I'm "on the wrong forum" due to my agnostic views is quite a statement! Wow! I guess 𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚𝒐𝒏𝒆 on OPP must agree on God or get the #### out of here?

HaHaHaHa! You are truly over the top!

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Hell, you were a dip sh** way before you expressed your religious views.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

I'm not going to look it up because I don't really care, yet I suspect you attacked my defense of the faith as it applies to values, morals, family, etc., and how cultural Marxist Democrats promote evil, before I responded to you. But it doesn't really matter, I'm not inclined to allow attacks on the Faith to pass without comment especially from an angry "apostate."

EmilyD

You say you are an Agnostic:

"...That being said, I feel zero need to push my agnosticism on anyone, ever, or feel any need to preach it here on social media. I don't wear it on my sleeve...",

And yet you quote from the Bible and talk about piety and sanctimony (!!!):

"... I call you sanctimonious because you ARE. You are correct that there is a 𝒉𝒖𝒈𝒆 𝒅𝒊𝒇𝒇𝒆𝒓𝒆𝒏𝒄𝒆 between piety and sanctimony and unfortunately you don't know what it is. Apparently, you feel that you have the moral superiority to judge others, and wear that on your sleeve. And, amusingly, you actually claim to "follow Christ"?.....Matthew 7:..... "𝑫𝒐 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒋𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆, 𝒐𝒓 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒕𝒐𝒐 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒃𝒆 𝒋𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆𝒅. 𝑭𝒐𝒓 𝒊𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒔𝒂𝒎𝒆 𝒘𝒂𝒚 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒋𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆 𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒔, 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒃𝒆 𝒋𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆𝒅, 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒎𝒆𝒂𝒔𝒖𝒓𝒆 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒖𝒔𝒆, 𝒊𝒕 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒃𝒆 𝒎𝒆𝒂𝒔𝒖𝒓𝒆𝒅 𝒕𝒐 𝒚𝒐𝒖. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"..."

I think you should look up what the word "hypocrite" means. And in this case, it's especially hypocritical because you are using a faith-based Christian Bible (that sits so beautifully on your shelf for all to see) while saying you have no faith!!

Why would you even mention that you are an Agnostic if you didn't want to push the fact that you ARE one??? As I said...it wasn't necessary for you to do so...but you wanted everyone to know you are not the Christian you were brought up to be anymore. I wonder why that is??

I think, knowing FROM YOUR OWN WORDS that you were "raised in the Church of Christ...went there three times a week, VBS in the summers, Church camp every year", etc...... your father who was a DEACON, no less, must be rolling in his grave knowing what things you are posting on here. And using his Bible to try to guilt-trip Christians would most likely make him cry.

You SHOULD be ashamed, but I doubt you have the ability to do that.

dwp66

I do remember enough of the Bible to point out the blatant hypocrisy of sanctimonious "Christians" such as Padre 𝒃𝒚 𝒒𝒖𝒐𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒊𝒓 𝒐𝒘𝒏 𝒅𝒐𝒈𝒎𝒂 back to them. So many, many people talk about being good Christians - and yet act very un-Christ-like. See it here on OPP all the time...

"𝑫𝒐 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒋𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆, 𝒐𝒓 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒕𝒐𝒐 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒃𝒆 𝒋𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆𝒅. 𝑭𝒐𝒓 𝒊𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒔𝒂𝒎𝒆 𝒘𝒂𝒚 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒋𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆 𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒔, 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒃𝒆 𝒋𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆𝒅, 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒎𝒆𝒂𝒔𝒖𝒓𝒆 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒖𝒔𝒆, 𝒊𝒕 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒃𝒆 𝒎𝒆𝒂𝒔𝒖𝒓𝒆𝒅 𝒕𝒐 𝒚𝒐𝒖. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

Any true follower of Christ would need to twist like a pretzel to reconcile those words with the kind of statements made here by both Padre and yourself. Obviously a Padre sycophant, you defend every bit of his judgemental bullshit. Sad!

Btw you are correct, I feel no "shame" whatsoever.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

You were taken to school on exactly what that meant. You were simply too bloody stupid to remember or understand or both.

EmilyD

"Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted." ~ Galatians 6:1

"Let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. " ~ James 5:20

"Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them." ~ Ephesians 5:11

Drue-Marie

You do know that the dead also have their own DNA, right?

Drue-Marie

EmilyD

Yes...just like at the beginning - at the split-second moment of conception - the very first cell....right to the very end of that person's life....and even beyond, as you say.

Good point. There's no doubt that it's a human being at conception...all during its life...and then at and beyond death.

So is aborting a human being wrong, then? Since you now know that it IS a human being right from the start?