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Aug 19, 2023 16:16:07   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
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Yup.

Malicious Prosecution?
Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2023
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by AMAC, Robert B. Charles

When does prosecutorial overreach become malicious prosecution? The Justice Department illegally surveilled (false FISA warrants) Donald Trump, dogging him for years – on a false premise. Now, we have four indictments, two local, two federal – one involving alleged violations of the 4th Amendment, all launched by arch-partisans. How much is too much?

Does the pattern of dogging Trump matter? Is this just impartial administration, nothing to see here, nothing political, just a standard criminal pursued on the merits – or is this something far worse, something new and intolerable in our truth-based republic, an affront to the “rule of law?” Is this political warfare – gone legal?

Before noting corroborating facts – like what happened to Hillary Clinton and her server-smashing entourage, President Biden and his foreign-funded son, or Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, and Brennan – just pause.

What is malicious prosecution? Or, turning that question on its head, what should prosecutors do? How are the custodians of justice supposed to behave? What does fairness look like?

For one thing, fairness is not political. The Rule of law – in a non-corrupt republic – requires an iron wall between politics and the administration of justice. Selective law enforcement, or favoring political friends and disfavoring adversaries, is Public Corruption 101– not the rule of law.

Everything about the “rule of law” reflects this understanding. Without impartiality, there is no law, no respect for what leaders call the law, no trust in the law, and no willingness to abide by the law. Put differently, when the well of justice is poisoned by politics, civil order gets sick – and can die.

Consider what the Greats say societies need to survive. Wrote Plato: “The worst form of justice…is pretended justice.” In other words, politics in place of justice kills justice. Plato knew something about that, too – he watched Socrates get convicted, forced to death on hemlock.

Wrote Aristotle: “At his best, man is the noblest of animals – but separated from law and justice, he is the worst.” So if we consult conscience for truth, we stay noble; if we do not, we lose it.

Maybe that is what Mahatma Gandhi wrote: “The court of conscience … supersedes all other courts.” If we forget right from wrong, we humans – including prosecutors – get off track.

All this comes back to “malicious prosecution.” If fairness, impartiality, and avoiding politics are how things should work, what is the opposite? What is malice being used by a prosecutor?

Malicious prosecution is the textbook perversion of justice – a suit “instituted primarily because of a purpose other than that of bringing an offender to justice,” or “against another maliciously and without probable cause,” or “begun in malice,” with “ill will” or a “desire to cause distress.”

Hmmm. Anything come to mind? With a presidential election pending, could prosecutors with “ill will” toward Trump, including one known for overreach, have other purposes in mind? Could dislike become malice, perhaps feed a “desire to cause distress?” Can prosecutors be partisan?

The tort of “malicious prosecution” requires a prosecution that ends favorably to the prosecuted, plus a showing of malicious intent, damage to liberty, reputation, or suffering. Sound like it fits?

Look at how Justice has behaved toward Trump. They opened an FBI investigation which, it turns out, was based on false information from Hillary Clinton, his 2016 rival – a fact briefed to Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden during that 2016 campaign (which raises other questions).

After Trump won, he was hit by continued investigation, Justice-sourced untruths, misrepresentations, and stories leaked to an eager press. False allegations fed congressional investigators, producing two impeachments, both notably lacking in traditional due process.

“Malicious prosecution” requires Trump to prevail in just one case – showing it involves malice. Truth is, we are in uncharted waters – a former president facing flimsy indictments, partisan prosecutors, sitting president enjoying immunity from investigation for highly suspicious acts.

All this occurring at the start of the supercharged 2024 presidential election – with the two men leading in pursuit of their respective party nominations.

In the grand scheme, a “someday suit” for “malicious prosecution” may be small potatoes, but the Republic is in the grips of a series of constitutional crises, and public trust is extremely low.

Trump may not win any of these suits, let alone nomination or election. Biden may not survive scrutiny, could be impeached, indicted, not be his party’s nominee, or get reelected. But malice is at play. That is dark. These suits against Trump certainly look…a lot like malicious prosecution.

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Aug 19, 2023 18:21:51   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
https://theweek.com/talking-point/1025863/criminalizing-politics

The debate over which side is criminalizing politics
Which side is really criminalizing politics here?
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Which side is really criminalizing politics here?
HAROLD MAASS
AUGUST 17, 2023

Former President Donald Trump now faces criminal charges in federal and Georgia courts over his effort to overturn his loss in the 2020 election to President Biden. Trump, the front-runner for the Republican 2024 presidential nomination, slammed the federal indictment as "an outrageous criminalization of political speech," accusing the Justice Department of "trying to make it illegal to question the results of a bad election." Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Trump's closest GOP rival, called the indictment handed up this week by a Fulton County, Georgia, grand jury an example of the "criminalization of politics" by Trump's enemies in the Democratic Party.

The federal indictment said Trump "had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he won." But special counsel Jack Smith's team accused Trump of pursuing "unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results." Democrats note that Trump was the one who tried to pressure Georgia officials into reversing his narrow loss in the state by "finding" enough votes to put him ahead of Biden. And they say Republicans are helping Trump attack the system that ensures fair elections. Which side is really criminalizing politics here?

The left is treating political speech like a crime
Democrats just escalated their "crusade to weaponize the criminal justice system to put their chief political opponent in jail," said Elle Purnell at The Federalist. Georgia's Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis' racketeering charges targeting Trump and 18 of his lawyers and advisers send the "clear message that if you're a Republican, challenging election results — something Democrats have done after every GOP presidential victory this century — is now a criminal offense." The "hacks" at the Justice Department "also indicted Trump over a classified documents dispute," while playing nice with Biden over his mishandling of secret documents. We can't have "real elections" if the decision on whether to threaten a candidate with jail depends on what party they're in.

The backlash over Trump's indictment could be disastrous, said Jack Goldsmith in The New York Times, especially since it comes as Republicans are complaining DOJ is going easy on Hunter Biden, the president's son. Special counsel Jack Smith's indictment makes "a factually compelling but far from legally airtight case" against Trump, accusing him of a criminal conspiracy to subvert the 2020 election result. But the case "raises tricky issues" about Trump's freedom of speech and presidential powers. If the prosecution flops, or even if it succeeds, "the costs to the legal and political systems will be large," because there's "no getting around the fact" that the Biden administration is going after the Republican most likely to be nominated to challenge Biden in 2024. "This deeply unfortunate timing looks political and has potent political implications even if it is not driven by partisan motivations."

Trump is the one who criminalized politics
"Unsurprisingly, Republicans are reacting to these charges with maximum dishonesty," said Amanda Marcotte at Salon. Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), who is "allegedly" battling Trump for the GOP nomination, accused prosecutors of weaponizing the legal system for political purposes. "That statement requires pointedly ignoring the fact that most of the people who have testified against Trump are Republicans." It's "so aggravating to hear Republicans disingenuously accuse Democrats of 'criminalizing politics,'" because Trump is the one who did that, by turning the GOP into a mafia and making "it clear that being a loyal Republican means being ready and willing to commit crimes for the boss, or at least to dishonor yourself by pretending you were looking the other way and didn't see anything."

"Trump has criminalized both social problems and politics itself," said Henry Giroux in The Conversation. He and his allies have "created a culture of lies, illusions, cruelty, and misrepresentation," and used it to attack "reason, critical thinking, informed judgment, and social responsibility." Trump is the "embodiment" of a crisis that started with the "right-wing counter-revolution" that emerged with Ronald Reagan's reign in the 1980s. Since then, "the democratic values that informed the social contract and common good have been increasingly displaced by market values that stress self-interest" and the "celebration of greed." Trump is a "national disgrace" but he's still virtually assured of getting nominated and has even odds of beating Biden to win the White House again. The next election will be "a choice between democracy and the further criminalization of American politics."

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Aug 20, 2023 16:15:17   #
Salvatore
 
There are so many false facts in your post that you have not done your homework!! So I dismiss your whole post even though you think it was worth something! It was worth zilch, nada, cacca di toro!

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Aug 20, 2023 16:18:33   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Salvatore wrote:
There are so many false facts in your post that you have not done your homework!! So I dismiss your whole post even though you think it was worth something! It was worth zilch, nada, cacca di toro!


Use 'quote reply' so we know who you are responding to.

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Aug 21, 2023 15:52:11   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Ladies and gentlemen, you have just witnessed what happens when cult followers are challenged with factual evidence that disagrees with their beliefs. There ensues a cloud of unsupported charges that lack any factual basis in provable fact. In this case, this wasn't the actual writings of the cult member, but pre-manufactured 'cut and paste' verbiage that the cult uses to deflect any criticism of their leader.
The whole idea of 'assymetrical justice' here is laughable. The investigation of Hunter Biden has been going on for over five years without any tangible evidence of wrongdoing, with the exception of his failure to file tax documents, and his possession of a gun. That's it. The whole nine yards.
I realize that this whole exercise won't change any minds. If you had challenged the supporters of Jim Jones in South America, they wouldn't have listened either, and they drank the cyanide-laced koolade at his command. Whether the present cult followers would go to that extent is doubtful, but the principle is the same.
It is unfortnate that the enigmatic and charismatic cult leader at the heart of our political system is seeking to achieve power once again. If he succeeds, the entire democratic structure of our country, its constitution, rule of law, and basic civil rights will be a thing of the past, and we will be unable to recover them.

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