Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

As I posted above, the authors of the Gospels and NT books were either disciples of Jesus or associates of those who knew him. The Apostle Paul and Luke, for example.
The NT did not come to us through the bardic tradition, or story telling and songs.

tbutkovich

Jesus was the Son of God who came down from Heaven to reconcile the sins of the world by voluntarily offering himself to be crucified to pay for all the sins of humanity from the beginning to the end of time. It was voluntary: Jesus prayed in the Garden of Gethsamane to God the following words: “If it be possible, let this cup of suffering be taken from me.” And then he added: “Yet I want your will to be done, not mine!” As a human God, he was afraid to disappoint his father but after no response from God, he knew he would have to follow through with the mission.

He did carry all mankind’s sins to the cross and just before he died a large cloud came over Calvary. All the sins converged on him just before his death. At that very moment, God the Father turned away from Jesus because he hated sin and all of the sins were there piled on Jesus, His Son. Due to the black cloud obscuring his vision, Jesus could not see God the Father and cried out: “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me.” For the first time in his spiritual life was he separated from His Father and he was frightened.

You mix up the words of the Prophets. In the paragraph “fathers shall not die for their sons and the converse” was directed at “humanity” not Christ’s death on the cross. You act like this is a passage about God and His Son.

He died in nine hours but to ensure He was dead they pierced His side with a sword. There was no need to break the legs of a dead man.

They did pierce his hands and his feet and although not mentioned probably tied his arms to the cross to prevent the weight of his body tearing through his hands.

Deuteronomy 21.23. You are confusing the divine with humanity. The passage refers to the sin of an earthly man not the Son of God. You have difficulty shifting gears when passages switch from humanity to the spiritual. You need to read the Bible with discernment.

He did rise on the third day. He didn’t say his rose on the 72nd hour. He died on Friday, spent Saturday in the tomb and arose on Sunday the third day.

Collosians 2:14 states clearly; by cancelling the record of our debt that stood against us with its legal demands he set aside with his nailing to the cross.

Ezekiel 28:10. Jesus did not die the death of the uncircumsized. You misinterpreted the meaning of this passage. In the Old Testament, Circumcision was performed by the Jews who had made a covenant of obedience to God. Those who were not circumcised were outside the Jewish camp mostly unbelievers or idol worshippers who did not pledge obedience to God. Note the passage: “You will die the death of the uncircumcised by the hands of a stranger. For I have spoken declares the Lord God!”

Christ symbolically created Holy Communion using bread and wine to commemorate his death on the cross and salvation for all sinners. This was done at the last supper. Whoever shall eat my flesh and drink my blood shall live in me and I in him. A Holy Union is created by the symbolic consecration of bread and wine and receiving it at holy communion.

John 6:48-58: Jesus freely states that man will live forever. Interestingly, just as bread must be given, broken and taken to sustain physical life, Jesus was given, broken and must be TAKEN UP to sustain our spiritual life. His broken body heals our brokenness. His wounds making us whole.

When you read the Bible, you need to unlock its mysteries by thinking about the passage and to whom it is referring to: humanity, worldly, celestial body, works of Satan, word of God, Gospel of the Son of God, and the recorded writings of the Apostles and Prophets in the New and Old Testament. Greater discernment of the Bible passages will go a long way to improving your understanding of Jesus Christ, His love for mankind and his mission and purpose for leaving heaven to come to earth. If you get a chance to read revelations, you will realize that he is not done with us yet. He will come again in Glory to save Israel at the End of times, and then and only then will the Jews realize the missed his first coming which was for the purpose of salvation of all souls and the opening of the Gates of Heaven. Recommend you dig into the Bible and get prepared for that day.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

My point was that most people of the day, did not read so were reliant on story tellers of some sort, be they priest, disciples or other educated people, they relied on the stories they were told (word of mouth) since they couldn't read them for themselves.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Undoubtedly, in the time of Jesus, many Jews couldn't read or write, but there were many who could. Mary of Magdala for example was taught to read and write by her father. The disciple Matthew kept a running written account of his experiences. The Apostle Paul was a highly educated man, he was a Roman citizen, fluent in Greek, and later became a Pharisee and before his conversion by the risen Jesus, was a rather vicious persecutor of followers of Jesus.

In any case, the Jews at that time were devoted to their beliefs and went to the synagogues and the temples (when they stood) to hear readings directly from scripture (the scrolls). In many of Jesus' speeches and sermons, he read or quoted from scripture. And, in many of His speeches and sermons, some people were educated enough to challenge His word, and these were not just Pharisees or members of the priesthood, Jews and Gentile alike who heard Him speak were astounded at the things He was teaching and questioned him often.

It is disingenuous to say those who read from the scrolls of say Isaiah (one of Jesus' favorites) or from the Torah were "story tellers of some sort".

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Some people just never learn.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

True

tbutkovich

You take a single sentence out of Psalm 16:4 to make a point. Here is what Psalm 16:4 actually says:

2. (4-6) The folly of idolatry and the blessing of honoring the LORD.
Their sorrows shall be multiplied who hasten after another god;
Their drink offerings of blood I will not offer,
Nor take up their names on my lips.
O LORD, You are the portion of my inheritance and my cup;
You maintain my lot.
The lines have fallen to me in pleasant places;
Yes, I have a good inheritance.

a. Their sorrows shall be multiplied who hasten after another god: David understood that those who served other gods found many sorrows in life.

i. David knew that his life, lived for God, was not an easy one. He experienced many hardships because he remained faithful to God. Nevertheless, he also knew that life lived for another god was even more difficult. It was the attitude of Peter in John 6:66-69, when he said “Lord, to whom shall we go?”

ii. “There is a distinct echo of the story of the Fall in the phrase, multiply their sorrows, since very similar words were spoken to Eve in the Hebrew of Genesis 3:16. There could hardly be a more ominous allusion to what follows from apostasy.” (Kidner)

b. Their drink offerings of blood I will not offer: David allowed his knowledge of the futility of pagan beliefs to affect his behavior. Therefore, he would not follow the pagans in their vain practices.

i. “Many heathens sacrificed to their idols (that is, to devils) with man’s blood, against all laws of humanity and piety.” (Trapp) In addition, the priests of Baal offered their own blood to their false god; some Roman Catholics and Muslims also whip themselves to blood, offering their blood to their twisted conception of God.

c. O LORD, You are the portion of my inheritance and my cup; You maintain my lot: After stating that there was nothing found in the pagan gods, David explained the good he received from Yahweh.

i. You are the portion of my inheritance: David was the youngest son in a family with many sons. He could expect no inheritance from his family; yet he took joy and comfort in the fact that God was the portion of his inheritance, and he knew that he had a good inheritance. The lines that marked out his inheritance had fallen to him in pleasant places.

ii. God said to the priests in the days of Moses: “I am your portion and your inheritance” (Numbers 18:20). David understood that this was a promise given not only to the priests, but also to all who would trust God to be the portion of their inheritance. “Every godly man has the same possession and the same prohibitions as the priests had. Like them he is landless, and instead of estates has Jehovah.” (Maclaren)

iii. You maintain my lot: This described the portion of David’s inheritance. David was confident that God would maintain what He had first given to him.

iv. This attitude did not come easily or always to David. He complained to Saul in 1 Samuel 26:19: for they have driven me out this day from sharing in the inheritance of the LORD, saying, “Go, serve other gods.” Yet here in this psalm, he comes back to the conclusion that the LORD is his inheritance and will maintain his lot.

v. David’s words here speak of contentment. He is content with what God has given him. A mark of our age – especially with the Baby Boom generation and perhaps even more with those following – is discontentment, boredom, and restlessness. The generation with short attention spans, the constant need for excitement and adrenaline rushes, and 24-hour-a-day entertainment, needs to know by experience what David knew.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Good exegesis!

microphor Loc: Home is TN

I hear what your saying Blade and I guess story teller can have a "fictional" connotation. Not intended that way of course.

Nutter Loc: Fly Over Zone

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He did rise on the third day. He didn’t say his rose on the 72nd hour. He died on Friday, spent Saturday in the tomb and arose on Sunday the third day.

Just as Jonah was in the belly of the beast three days and three nights the Messiah would be in the heart of the earth for three nights and three days. He was crucified on Wednesday day and was laid to rest before sundown. Sundown Wednesday was the start of Passover which was a high sabbath and no work was to be done. Wednesday night, Thursday night, Friday night, Thursday day, Friday day, and Saturday day [the weekly sabbath] he rose from the dead before sundown on the sabbath. (Mt. 12:39-40)

Good Friday and Easter Sunday are PAGAN celebrations that Roman Emperor Constantine made a law that Christianity would be the religion of the land and services would be on Sunday. Anything to do with the Jewish worship was forbidden. To help the pagan worshippers
conform to Christianity their days of celebration were included to get them onboard.

The Truth about Easter! Long read but important information
https://archangel16.livejournal.com/159251.html

tbutkovich

Correct! His body do remain in the tomb. His soul descended into hell to capture the righteous dead and raise them up from Abraham’s bosom to heaven. The unrighteousness dead remained in torment in hell which was the result of their own doing.

susanblange Loc: USA

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The sign of Jonah the Prophet was not three days and nights, it was being saved by a land breathing mammal. In the summer of 1964 at Santa Monica beach in California when I was two years old, a dolphin saved me from drowning. I was at the waters edge with my brother who was all of five years old. A wave went over my head and swept me out to sea. A dolphin swam underneath me and I held onto him and rode him to some rocks that were several hundred yards off shore. He bucked me off his back, I landed on the rocks and I was thinking I was going to have to eat seafood for the rest of my life and I was wondering how I was going to cook it. There was a man on the beach with binoculars and he spotted me. My father came and got me on a raft.

susanblange Loc: USA

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The main thing about the "crucifixion" was the floods. Psalm 69:1-2. "Save me O God; for the waters are come into my soul. I sink in deep mire, where there is no standing: I am come into deep waters, where the floods overflow me". Psalm 69:14-15. "Deliver me out of the mire, and let me not sink: let me be delivered from them that hate me, and out of the deep waters. Let not the waterflood overflow me, neither let the deep swallow me up, and let not the pit shut their mouth upon me". I was dying of thirst and my father gave me beer to drink. Psalm 69:21. "They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink". Numbers 6:3. "...and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink..." Job 16:13. "...he poureth out my gall upon the ground". My parents did this to me, my father pierced me five times, my hands and feet and the fifth time was internal. Psalm 22:14, "I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint..." " This happened 16 days after my eighth birthday, and it literally fulfilled Job 16, Psalm 22, and Psalm 69. What part of the body fills up with "water", can flood and overflow, and is associated with thirst?" The two Psalms it fulfilled correspond to the day and year this happened. I was tortured into an emotional death. They pressed down really hard on me, trying to hold me still, and all my bones were out of joint. When VWD Day comes, there will be a proliferation of earthquakes on earth. God is going to shake this planet. Isaiah 2:19, 21. The "crucifixion" happened on October 22, 1969.

tbutkovich

WOW! A biblical schizophasia/word salad. Susan must have attended the same school as Kamala Harris!

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

I’m still trying to understand why a 2 year old would be worried about how to cook seafood for the rest of their life 🤷‍♂️