susanblange Loc: USA

Jesus wanted to be crucified because he thought it would fulfill scripture. The multitudes that followed him had him crucified, if the Jews had their way, he would've been stoned to death as a false prophet. He said to them, "Take up your cross and follow me". God does not approve of human suffering and sacrifice. There is no substitution for punishment for sin. Deuteronomy 24:16. "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin". It takes at least 2-3 days to die by crucifixion, it can take as long as a week. If Jesus died within 9 hours, they would've had to break his legs which would break scripture. Psalm 34:20. "...He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken". Jesus' hands were not pierced, it was his wrists. Psalm 22:16. "...they pierced my hands and my feet". Jesus was cursed by God and hung on a tree. Deuteronomy 21:23. "...for he that is hanged is accursed of God". "They have tilted my holy cross". The cross is an X, a St. Andrews cross. The NT says Jesus rose on the third day. Friday evening to Sunday morning is 1 1/2 days, not three. In the NT, all the messianic prophecy Jesus did not fulfill was "nailed to the cross". Colossians 2:14. The crucifixion is the be all and end all of Christianity. Jesus died the "...deaths of the uncircumcised". Ezekiel 28:10. Jesus fulfilled no messianic prophecy, he did fulfill scripture about the modern day idol of Israel. The NT says you have to literally eat Jesus' body and drink his blood to be saved. John 6:48-58. "Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips". Psalm 16:4.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

You are mixing up your covenants!
Though that’s not surprising 🤷‍♂️

RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit

So many opinions on a man whose history was recorded long after he died.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Very few educated in those times and history was passed on through story telling and songs. Just like with our Native Americans, are you saying that all histories that were passed on in this way were wrong intentionally or unintentionally? And how can you prove it if that's true?

RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit

A lesson, an experience, from a youth group, one person is told a short story. They in turn tell the next person the same story. It gets repeated.

After 20 it is somewhat different.

Unintentional, yes. The same as the originally, no.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Obviously very few educated in these times!

RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit

I don’t know how old you are.

Did you encourage or would you encourage your kids to get educated?

Thinking thrives when restraints are removed.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Not college educated but trades educated. I’m almost 66.
College professors stifle thinking for yourself!

RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit

College professors stiffel thinking? Too broad.

Some indoctrinate. Some encourage questioning.

I was in the trades. I spent my life questioning and still am.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Familiar with the experiment, have used it myself. So does that mean all those flapping lips we're hearing in the news is inaccurate at best

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

It does you no good to make such ignorant statements. Bible illiterates and Christian hating postmodernists would benefit by keeping their mouth shut on subjects about which they know nothing.

If you view Christians as enemies of mankind, or some sort of evil influence, then you'd best heed the advice of Sun Tzu on knowing your enemy, and this entails gaining direct knowledge rather than forming opinions out of ignorance and prejudice.

John, Matthew, Peter, and James (brother of Jesus) were disciples of Jesus, they were with him throughout his ministry, and were witnesses to his death, and resurrection. The Apostle Paul who authored 13 NT books also was there during Jesus' ministry. Paul had a direct and profound experience with the resurrected Jesus. Luke, a physician, was a close associate of Paul.

There are also non-Biblical accounts of Jesus written by a Roman historian, the Roman governor of Bithynia, a Greek scribe, a Jewish historian, and there is reference to Jesus in the Babylonian Talmud.

In addition, nearly 400 Messianic prophesies are found throughout the Old Testament, and taken together, they give a full account of Jesus - his birth, place of birth, his parents, his ministry, crucifixion and resurrection.

By the way, "Christ" is not Jesus' last name.
In his time, he would have been formally addressed as "Jesus bar Joseph", or Yeshua bar Yosef (son of Joseph).

RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit

Probably. We get it filtered.

woodguru

It's what happens when there is a spin...ever take the effort to think about the gospels...such as perhaps why some got lost while the others became the official narrative? The lost gospels portrayed an entirely different take on what it means to be a christian, about what loving versus hating means...Those writing the versions that made the cut were a more powerful force than the peaceful ones that had a more loving message from the lord.

Renditions of history have to be taken from a place of understanding spins and narratives that may be ignoring inconvenient facts. History can be ugly, but the facts are the facts.

The history of native American Indians is as ugly as it gets, and to study the reality you can't bring bias such as having to k**l Indians because they were k*****g settlers. Settlers were taking what they wanted with no regards for those who used the land before them. There were good people who coexisted with Indians, and evil ones that h**ed them and wanted them all dead...that is the never ending story of history

microphor Loc: Home is TN

I was talking about passing information through story and songs, why go off on a tangent about Native American History in America.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You are ignoring the greatest confirmation of the Bible in history - the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Before the Europeans arrived, the north and south "American" continents was a land of tribalism. Thousands of tribes inhabited all regions of the two continents. They had their own languages, some related and able to communicate, others were foreign to each other. Some tribes were allies, and many were enemies who fought over land and natural resources. They murdered, raped, tortured, massacred, and ens***ed members of opposing tribes.

These tribes adapted to the regions they lived in, some were fishers, some h****rs, trappers or agrarians. Some were nomads, others stayed in place. These thousands of tribes never were united under a central government, they had no executive or congress and each had their own system of justice. Tribes in the east didn't even know tribes existed in the west and vice versa, the same is true for the oceans. There was no such thing as a native united nation. And above all, the ones we now call "Native Americans" were immigrants.