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Jun 21, 2023 21:39:31   #
Justice101
 
permafrost wrote:
Randy, all that biz stuff with trump and banks and moscow trump tower is very true.. it can be found, but I am not going to do the search.. Why do you think Putin owned trump??


The Moscow Trump Tower never came to fruition. What you are saying appears to be speculation with Putin "owning Trump" in regard to bank loans and real estate purchases.

CNN reports that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen wasn't able to get a real estate deal in Moscow.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/30/politics/russia-peskov-trump-lawyer-email/index.html

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Jun 21, 2023 21:49:01   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
4430 wrote:
You made the claim then back it up !


Well darn so much info about it, I will only bring a couple of examaples.. of so..


https://www.insider.com/putin-got-what-he-wants-from-nato-trump-2019-12

Russia's main strategy to deter NATO is to encourage splits that will paralyze the alliance's ability to respond to aggression in a unified way.
NATO only works as long as all its 29 countries remain continuously on board with "Article 5," the promise that they will automatically fight if any of them are attacked.
This week, Trump said Article 5 was merely a "question."
Trump has also driven Turkey into a compromising arms deal with Russia.
The US president is so toxic that, internally, NATO officials regard him as a security risk.
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is afraid to be seen with him.
These splits are exactly what Vladimir Putin wants.

https://newrepublic.com/article/165553/donald-trump-everything-vladimir-putin-wished-russian-asset

Donald Trump Was Everything Vladimir Putin Could Have Wished For
From the days when the KGB sought to cultivate him 40 years ago to his term as president, Trump was a useful stooge. And if he gets another term, he still can be.

Putin, you may recall, famously regards the death of the Soviet Union as the “greatest catastrophe” in history and has the larger ambition of not just taking back Ukraine but also rolling back all the advances by NATO since the collapse of the USSR. And it just happens that the most powerful weapon ever devised to subvert NATO was Trump, who had been doing an extraordinarily effective job of crippling NATO from within and planned to shatter it in his second term.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/

How Russian Money Helped Save Trump’s Business
After his financial disasters two decades ago, no U.S. bank would touch him. Then foreign money began flowing in.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics/trump-soft-on-russia/index.html

37 times Trump was soft on Russia******* Only a few of these in the post.. for the rest, follow the link....

But Trump’s narrative is simply false, based on his own actions over the last few years. Here’s a breakdown of 37 occasions when Trump was soft on Russia or gave Putin a boost.

Trump has repeatedly praised Putin
While he was a private citizen, during his 2016 campaign and throughout his presidency, Trump has showered Putin with praise. He said Putin was “so nice,” he called Putin a “strong leader” and said Putin has done “a really great job outsmarting our country.” Trump also claimed he’d “get along very well” with Putin. Few, if any, Western leaders have echoed these comments.

Trump hired Manafort to run his campaign
Trump raised eyebrows in spring 2016 when he hired GOP operative Paul Manafort to run his presidential campaign. Manafort spent a decade working for pro-Russian politicians and parties in Ukraine and cultivated close relationships with Putin-friendly oligarchs. Manafort was sentenced in 2019 to 7.5 years prison for, among other things, evading taxes on the $60 million he had made in Ukraine. (He was released to house arrest in May 2020 amid coronavirus concerns.)

Trump suggested Russia can keep Crimea
Trump said Putin did “an amazing job of taking the mantle” when Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump broke with US policy and suggested he was OK if Russia kept the Ukrainian territory. He repeated a Kremlin talking point, saying, “The people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were.”

Trump aides softened GOP platform on Ukraine
Ahead of the 2016 Republican National Convention, Trump campaign aides blocked language from the party platform that called for the US government to send lethal weapons to Ukraine for its war against Russian proxies. Mueller investigated this for potential collusion but determined the change was not made “at the behest” of Russia. (The Trump administration ultimately gave lethal arms and anti-tank weapons to the Ukrainian military.)

Trump made light of Russian hacking
Throughout the 2016 campaign, Trump cast doubt on the US government assessment that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman. At a news conference in July 2016, he even asked Russia to hack more, saying, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”

Trump capitalized on Russian meddling to win
Instead of condemning Russia for hacking and leaking Democratic emails, Trump eagerly capitalized on the Kremlin’s meddling, and used the emails to attack Clinton on a near-daily basis in the final stretch of the campaign. The Mueller report said Trump’s campaign “expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts” and that top officials believed they had inside information about WikiLeaks, so they planned a strategy around the expected release of hacked emails.

Trump denied that Russia

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Jun 21, 2023 22:07:56   #
BIRDMAN
 
permafrost wrote:
Well darn so much info about it, I will only bring a couple of examaples.. of so..


https://www.insider.com/putin-got-what-he-wants-from-nato-trump-2019-12

Russia's main strategy to deter NATO is to encourage splits that will paralyze the alliance's ability to respond to aggression in a unified way.
NATO only works as long as all its 29 countries remain continuously on board with "Article 5," the promise that they will automatically fight if any of them are attacked.
This week, Trump said Article 5 was merely a "question."
Trump has also driven Turkey into a compromising arms deal with Russia.
The US president is so toxic that, internally, NATO officials regard him as a security risk.
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is afraid to be seen with him.
These splits are exactly what Vladimir Putin wants.

https://newrepublic.com/article/165553/donald-trump-everything-vladimir-putin-wished-russian-asset

Donald Trump Was Everything Vladimir Putin Could Have Wished For
From the days when the KGB sought to cultivate him 40 years ago to his term as president, Trump was a useful stooge. And if he gets another term, he still can be.

Putin, you may recall, famously regards the death of the Soviet Union as the “greatest catastrophe” in history and has the larger ambition of not just taking back Ukraine but also rolling back all the advances by NATO since the collapse of the USSR. And it just happens that the most powerful weapon ever devised to subvert NATO was Trump, who had been doing an extraordinarily effective job of crippling NATO from within and planned to shatter it in his second term.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/

How Russian Money Helped Save Trump’s Business
After his financial disasters two decades ago, no U.S. bank would touch him. Then foreign money began flowing in.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics/trump-soft-on-russia/index.html

37 times Trump was soft on Russia******* Only a few of these in the post.. for the rest, follow the link....

But Trump’s narrative is simply false, based on his own actions over the last few years. Here’s a breakdown of 37 occasions when Trump was soft on Russia or gave Putin a boost.

Trump has repeatedly praised Putin
While he was a private citizen, during his 2016 campaign and throughout his presidency, Trump has showered Putin with praise. He said Putin was “so nice,” he called Putin a “strong leader” and said Putin has done “a really great job outsmarting our country.” Trump also claimed he’d “get along very well” with Putin. Few, if any, Western leaders have echoed these comments.

Trump hired Manafort to run his campaign
Trump raised eyebrows in spring 2016 when he hired GOP operative Paul Manafort to run his presidential campaign. Manafort spent a decade working for pro-Russian politicians and parties in Ukraine and cultivated close relationships with Putin-friendly oligarchs. Manafort was sentenced in 2019 to 7.5 years prison for, among other things, evading taxes on the $60 million he had made in Ukraine. (He was released to house arrest in May 2020 amid coronavirus concerns.)

Trump suggested Russia can keep Crimea
Trump said Putin did “an amazing job of taking the mantle” when Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump broke with US policy and suggested he was OK if Russia kept the Ukrainian territory. He repeated a Kremlin talking point, saying, “The people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were.”

Trump aides softened GOP platform on Ukraine
Ahead of the 2016 Republican National Convention, Trump campaign aides blocked language from the party platform that called for the US government to send lethal weapons to Ukraine for its war against Russian proxies. Mueller investigated this for potential collusion but determined the change was not made “at the behest” of Russia. (The Trump administration ultimately gave lethal arms and anti-tank weapons to the Ukrainian military.)

Trump made light of Russian hacking
Throughout the 2016 campaign, Trump cast doubt on the US government assessment that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman. At a news conference in July 2016, he even asked Russia to hack more, saying, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”

Trump capitalized on Russian meddling to win
Instead of condemning Russia for hacking and leaking Democratic emails, Trump eagerly capitalized on the Kremlin’s meddling, and used the emails to attack Clinton on a near-daily basis in the final stretch of the campaign. The Mueller report said Trump’s campaign “expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts” and that top officials believed they had inside information about WikiLeaks, so they planned a strategy around the expected release of hacked emails.

Trump denied that Russia
Well darn so much info about it, I will only bring... (show quote)


Turkey and hungry both are siding with Russia not when Trump was president now that Brandon is president

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Jun 21, 2023 22:43:32   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
Turkey and hungry both are siding with Russia not when Trump was president now that Brandon is president


Turkey has been a problem child for several decades.. I am not privy to whatever the heck Hungry is up to.. I was going to check it out a bit several months ago.. oor last summer.. and then it came and went.. no idea what that situation is.. if you are clued in, post it so I am not so far out of the loop.. hate that..

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Jun 22, 2023 08:53:16   #
LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
 
permafrost wrote:
You are having a brain lapse.. the WMD lies came from Bush and his war hawks..

Trump was never spied on by the liberals. the russian help to trump was real and very easily proven, the failure to prove was trump directing it.. The party of hate, once called Republican , spent unending time and money to pin those lies on Lady Hillary and failed completely, At the end the most militant republican had to publicly admit, Hillary did nothing wrong.. No one frames trump, when convicted, trump simply pays them off and escapes prison.. from the age of a child trump has never been held to account for his continued evil..
You are having a brain lapse.. the WMD lies came f... (show quote)


Well said perm

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Jun 22, 2023 08:58:09   #
LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
 
permafrost wrote:
Oh lordy bird.... geez... the Russian economy is tottering, near collapse.. what the heck have you been reading.. try anything else.. the BBC,,, any news network other then what you absorb now..

The announcement was made just a couple weeks ago, no recession is expected in 2023 in the united states.


Are things truly that bad in your neck of the woods.. I should go lightly, the two places with the lowest affect from inflation were Hawaii #1 and twin cities, Mpls/st.paul #2... so maybe I should just express sympathy for your situation.. good luck it will and is getting better.. President Biden doing a good job repairing the damage done by the greed of international corporations and republicans.. we will once again repair the damage and make the nation remain great as so often in the past..
Oh lordy bird.... geez... the Russian economy is t... (show quote)



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Jun 22, 2023 09:00:14   #
LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
 
permafrost wrote:
You people live only for the wrong..

I love my country and have done service for that love..

you come across as a trump lover and that is what it is all about in America at the moment.. getting rid of the rubbish wishing to destroy America is the pressing problem for the generation.. YOu come accross as one of those we need to stop for their goal..


Right Behind You perm.

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Jun 22, 2023 09:01:12   #
LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
 
permafrost wrote:
NO, while what you hate to find the truth it is as they said. trump and corporations at fault.. but this was part of the report a few weeks ago, if you missed it, I can not give the link,, sorry about that..

While recovery from a period of inflation is long , difficult and often incomplete, we are moving in the needed direction and all the woe and misery complaints are pointless, the job is getting done and sure as hell not by republicans tax cuts for the rich plotters or even in the lowest reaches of trump useless mind..
NO, while what you hate to find the truth it is as... (show quote)



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Jun 22, 2023 09:08:03   #
LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
 
Great Political cartoon

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Jun 22, 2023 09:17:37   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Randy, all that biz stuff with trump and banks and moscow trump tower is very true.. it can be found, but I am not going to do the search.. Why do you think Putin owned trump??


I do not think Trump owed Putin anything at all. I think Trump made choices that he believed, and his advisors believed, were good for the United States . I also think that you are addicted to circular arguments just like Rascal.
Both of you argue Trump did this 'list of things' because he is corrupt, bad, stupid, whatever, and all this 'list of things' MUST be bad just because Trump did them. Then you strive to rationalize those beliefs is some of the most incredible twists and turns. It is an amazing thing to watch......but is utterly unconvincing, and a little sad.

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Jun 22, 2023 09:31:16   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
RandyBrian wrote:
I do not think Trump owed Putin anything at all. I think Trump made choices that he believed, and his advisors believed, were good for the United States . I also think that you are addicted to circular arguments just like Rascal.
Both of you argue Trump did this 'list of things' because he is corrupt, bad, stupid, whatever, and all this 'list of things' MUST be bad just because Trump did them. Then you strive to rationalize those beliefs is some of the most incredible twists and turns. It is an amazing thing to watch......but is utterly unconvincing, and a little sad.
I do not think Trump owed Putin anything at all. ... (show quote)


So, I suppose that what you are saying is that destruction of NATO is good, the Tax gift to the very rich at the expense of middle class is good, the betrayal of our allies the Kurds is good, allowing Russia to become the power of the ME is good, the promotion of higher oil prices which drive up gas pump prices is good. So tell me Randy is anything trumpian not good???

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Jun 22, 2023 10:27:48   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
LostAggie66 wrote:
Right Behind You perm.


Giving a reach around I see.

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Jun 22, 2023 10:31:09   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
So, I suppose that what you are saying is that destruction of NATO is good, the Tax gift to the very rich at the expense of middle class is good, the betrayal of our allies the Kurds is good, allowing Russia to become the power of the ME is good, the promotion of higher oil prices which drive up gas pump prices is good. So tell me Randy is anything trumpian not good???


NATO has been destroyed?
Every American tax payor, rich or poor, did not get a tax break?
We betrayed the Kurds?
We 'allowed' Russia to become the power in the ME? By NOT going to war, we did that?
Oil and gas prices were really that much higher under Trump that Biden? Huh. And here I thought $1.80 per gallon was LOWER than $3.29 a gallon.
MY, my, my. I learn (or at least hear) new things every day.
Trump did quite a few things I disagreed with......mainly he should have cleaned out all the entrenched executive branch career employees and replaced them with his own people, like Obama did. But that is another topic. Please concentrate on answering MY questions.

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Jun 22, 2023 10:48:02   #
BIRDMAN
 
RandyBrian wrote:
NATO has been destroyed?
Every American tax payor, rich or poor, did not get a tax break?
We betrayed the Kurds?
We 'allowed' Russia to become the power in the ME? By NOT going to war, we did that?
Oil and gas prices were really that much higher under Trump that Biden? Huh. And here I thought $1.80 per gallon was LOWER than $3.29 a gallon.
MY, my, my. I learn (or at least hear) new things every day.
Trump did quite a few things I disagreed with......mainly he should have cleaned out all the entrenched executive branch career employees and replaced them with his own people, like Obama did. But that is another topic. Please concentrate on answering MY questions.
NATO has been destroyed? br Every American tax pay... (show quote)


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Jun 22, 2023 10:53:33   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
RandyBrian wrote:
NATO has been destroyed?
Every American tax payor, rich or poor, did not get a tax break?
We betrayed the Kurds?
We 'allowed' Russia to become the power in the ME? By NOT going to war, we did that?
Oil and gas prices were really that much higher under Trump that Biden? Huh. And here I thought $1.80 per gallon was LOWER than $3.29 a gallon.
MY, my, my. I learn (or at least hear) new things every day.
Trump did quite a few things I disagreed with......mainly he should have cleaned out all the entrenched executive branch career employees and replaced them with his own people, like Obama did. But that is another topic. Please concentrate on answering MY questions.
NATO has been destroyed? br Every American tax pay... (show quote)



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