What does it take for republican's to create a bill-law to protect Americans from gun violence? How many must die? (Page 3): No is saying criminals will not have guns or stop being...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Jim0001 wrote:

You obviously have no clue and are just trolling. ... (show quote)

No is saying criminals will not have guns or stop being criminals.. nor will we find a way to stop 100% of the killing.. But if we can find a method to reduce the killing we will be looking at a winning way.. now in our nation we have more that one mass shooting every day. More incidents than days in the year.. this is a trend which has grown for many years and now shows even more growth ,, a teen wonders around shooting at whoever passes by. and yet "that is the price of freedom" . balony....

We can make a difference.. In the nightclub killings a few years ago. a few escaped while the killer was changing mags on the gun, if he had needed to change more often, perhaps a few more people could have escaped..

If we make no effort, we will of course fail. Make an effort and we can find a way..

and NO, no one is taking our guns away.. that will not happen.

American Vet

permafrost wrote:

No is saying criminals will not have guns or stop ... (show quote)

And which law will a criminal obey?

Gun control is one of the greatest Utopian delusions of our time, that we can prevent the most extreme examples of retributive human behavior by making it slightly less convenient.

And yes, ‘they’ will take your gun away given the opportunity. It’s already happened .

coelacanth Loc: Michigan swamp

I used to be distressed over the number of my fellow Americans that appear oblivious to the natural destructive force of government, ANY government. The natural tendency of government is to control, NOT govern. The founders understood this fact with crystal clarity and the result was the Second Amendment which asserts the natural right of self-defense. Somebody ALWAYS wants to tell YOU what to do but will carry on blithely doing the very same thing they don't want YOU doing. The good for me, but not for thee syndrome. But not anymore! There is an attorney, Mark W. Smith @FourBoxesDiner on YouTube that promises a bright future for the Second Amendment. Stay tuned for more good news on that front. Have a beautiful day!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

American Vet wrote:

And which law will a criminal obey?

Gun control is one of the greatest Utopian delusions of our time, that we can prevent the most extreme examples of retributive human behavior by making it slightly less convenient.

And yes, ‘they’ will take your gun away given the opportunity. It’s already happened .

Have to tell you vet.. the first two words of the first sentence of my post were to be. " No one" ...

with that information, it may give you a different take on my post.. try it and see..

American Vet

permafrost wrote:

Have to tell you vet.. the first two words of the first sentence of my post were to be. " No one" ...

with that information, it may give you a different take on my post.. try it and see..

Ok - done.

No change in my comments. And you still didn’t answer the question.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

American Vet wrote:

Ok - done.

No change in my comments. And you still didn’t answer the question.

OK,,,

The only law a criminal will follow is the one which is in action while the law officer is watching him..

What else would you expect? It is the reason we call them criminals.. They are not going to follow any law which holds them back..

Now you can post your follow up questions..

American Vet

permafrost wrote:

OK,,,

The only law a criminal will follow is the one which is in action while the law officer is watching him..

What else would you expect? It is the reason we call them criminals.. They are not going to follow any law which holds them back..

Now you can post your follow up questions..

So if criminals won’t obey the law, why would any rational person think more laws will work?

Gun control is one of the greatest Utopian delusions of our time, that we can prevent the most extreme examples of retributive human behavior by making it slightly less convenient.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

American Vet wrote:

So if criminals won’t obey the law, why would any rational person think more laws will work?

Gun control is one of the greatest Utopian delusions of our time, that we can prevent the most extreme examples of retributive human behavior by making it slightly less convenient.

to think more guns are the answer is the height of foolishness..

While we do not see a single answer solution, better laws along with the enforcement of present and whatever is passed, will indeed provide some reduction in the danger to children and the general public..

And a bit less convenient may well be all that is needed in the cases of hot heads and short term rages some unbalanced people suffer.. as in, to day they want to shoot, by tomorrow it may not seem like such a great idea..

American Vet

permafrost wrote:

to think more guns are the answer is the height of foolishness..
The only one saying more guns is you.

While we do not see a single answer solution, better laws
What ‘better’ laws?

along with the enforcement of present and whatever is passed, will indeed provide some reduction in the danger to children and the general public..
Better enforcement. Now even a sluggard like you is catching on.

And a bit less convenient may well be all that is needed in the cases of hot heads and short term rages some unbalanced people suffer.. as in, to day they want to shoot, by tomorrow it may not seem like such a great idea.
And maybe not - but that doesn’t fit your anti-freedom, hateful narrative.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

permafrost wrote:

OK,,,

The only law a criminal will follow is the one which is in action while the law officer is watching him..

What else would you expect? It is the reason we call them criminals.. They are not going to follow any law which holds them back..

Now you can post your follow up questions..

OK,

How many criminals ply their trade while a "law officer is watching"?

If a criminal won't follow any laws, how does another restrictive gun law "hold them back"?

Does the possession of a weapon magically turn the possessor into a potential psychotic?
Many leftist Hoplophobes seem to think so, and if you happen to own and shoot an AR15,
the phrase they favor is "domestic terrorist".

Criminal violence is an effect, not the cause.
What then is the underlying cause of violence and how do we fix it?

Criminal violence is a symptom, not the disease.
What then could be the disease?
Identifying the disease, isolating it, then finding a cure, a healing if you will, has nothing whatsoever to do with restricting and/or eliminating the tools with which violence is carried out, i.e., banning weapons.

Cuda2020

Justice101 wrote:

You didn't respond to my suggestion why not?

I did respond...[A valid response, and what do you think of our society's attitude constantly pushing guns to empower themselves, do you find that a problem?]
But that's not what my post is about, it's a question to the right, who keep blocking any gun law changes.

Cuda2020

Plenty of data, just google it. In recent years we have Gun violence is the leading cause of death for children and young adults in the United States. seen some of the worst gun violence in U.S. history. In 2021, guns killed more than forty-five thousand Americans, the highest toll in decades; and the upward trend is on track to continue.

The United States, with less than 5 percent of the world’s population, has 46 percent of the world’s civilian-owned guns, according to the most recent report by the Switzerland-based Small Arms Survey (2018). It ranks number one in firearms per capita. The United States also has the highest homicide-by-firearm rate of the world’s most-developed nations.
see stats here
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2022/05/cfr_gun_chart-1200x828.png

After one mass shooting incident Canada had made some reforms and is credited with driving major gun reforms that imposed a twenty-eight-day waiting period for purchases; mandatory safety training courses; more detailed background checks; bans on large-capacity magazines; and bans or greater restrictions on military-style firearms and ammunition. We can start there.

Cuda2020

Rose42 wrote:

Its a legitimate question that you keep ducking.

Its not the guns that are the problem and neither party has a solution.

BS, the right keeps blocking any reform. The fact that guns are the leading cause of death among children is still not enough for the right to have a conscionable thought to make any changes.

American Vet

Cuda2020 wrote:

Plenty of data, just google it. In recent years we have Gun violence is the leading cause of death for children and young adults in the United States.
So children (typically defines as those under the age of 14) are one group - 'young adults' is a different group. And how many of those are dead because of drug related gang activity? And extending that: What would be a murder rate if we subtract the major metropolitan areas (aka ghettos) from the equation?

seen some of the worst gun violence in U.S. history. In 2021, guns killed more than forty-five thousand Americans, the highest toll in decades; and the upward trend is on track to continue.
And that number includes suidicides?

After one mass shooting incident Canada had made some reforms and is credited with driving major gun reforms that imposed a twenty-eight-day waiting period for purchases; mandatory safety training courses; more detailed background checks; bans on large-capacity magazines; and bans or greater restrictions on military-style firearms and ammunition. We can start there
Of course, you are assuming that criminals will attend mandatory safety classes (why is there a need for these???), apply for a back-ground check, etc. And what about the Constitution and BoR? Do remember that one study/estimate was that 262 million people were killed by their governments in the last century.

American Vet

Cuda2020 wrote:

BS, the right keeps blocking any reform. The fact that guns are the leading cause of death among children is still not enough for the right to have a conscionable thought to make any changes.

That is an incorrect statement.