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May 14, 2023 19:58:08   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Airforceone wrote:
Yes guns have been registered till now but now with many red states they are eliminating background checks.

And a background check will expose criminal history,or any mental illness. So should a gun be sold to a person that has been convicted of a crime. So if a city like Chicago or any major city including states that have a heavy population of Criminals. All they have to do is drive to a state that doesn’t require background checks and purchase all the guns they want. Then take them back to a state and sell them on the black market.
Red Flag laws are a tool for local law enforcement use when someone is clearly a risk.
Ban all Assault rifles.
There are plenty of common sense Gun regulations that would minimize Mass killings.we can never eliminate gun violence all together but we can minimize gun violence.

Now if a criminal wants a gun he’s going to get one we can never prevent that. But generally speaking that’s bad guys shooting bad guys involved with drug trade. But you can always find exceptions.

The gun show there are no laws. Private sales of guns no laws.

But we are getting away from the topic. We are trying to discuss Teachers leaving there profession. Because they don’t feel safe. And all the tax payer funds paid to keep a K-12 schools safe.
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October 1, 1949, when Mao Tse-tung officially proclaimed the Peoples Republic of China, the communists killed from 1,838,000 to 11,692,000 people, most likely some 3,466,000.


This just another ploy to totally take all guns from law abiding folks better be careful what you wish for that confiscation of guns as history proves what corrupt leaders can do to a population unable to defend themselves

Gun registration won't keep bad people from having and using them to do bad things

Gun Registration and Gun Licensing
The Supreme Court has ruled that people who are prohibited by law from possessing firearms (such as felons, people adjudicated mentally incompetent, domestic violence abusers, and drug addicts) cannot be required to register firearms, because doing so would violate their 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination.[5]


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reviewed studies of gun registration and gun owner licensing, and found them insufficient for determining the restrictions’ effectiveness.

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May 14, 2023 20:03:17   #
American Vet
 
Airforceone wrote:
I was just researching your comment on the AR-15 it is a semiautomatic weapons which is the civilian version of the military style weapon. I will will look up the specification on both unless you can clarify that for me.





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May 14, 2023 20:04:19   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Airforceone wrote:
To All: I am trying to create a topic of in school shootings and teachers leaving there profession. The cost is in the billions.

I bet anybody over the age of 40 never had an active shooting drill. Enter the school thru mental detectors barriers and fence’s with locked gates. We never had any concerns about someone entering the school with gun. All we had was a fire drill. Maybe twice a year.

What I am trying to get at is why. I just want to mention could the root of the problem be with social media dividing this country

So please let’s get back on topic. I don’t want at this time talk about guns in Chicago. That’s a whole different topic.
To All: I am trying to create a topic of in school... (show quote)


The reason for all the school and mall shootings is the fact there are too many kids being raised without a father figure in their lives so what's the solution for starters would be to work on the family units because kids without a father role model are going to go bad at some point in time not all fatherless kids end up this way but many many do !

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May 14, 2023 20:26:34   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Airforceone wrote:
AR-15 is Semi- automatic. It’s the civilian version of the military style weapon.
Yes, I am well aware of what an AR15 is, I've owned three of them, a Colt, a Rock River, and now a DPMS carbine.
And, because the AR15 is a semi-auto civilian version of a rifle designed for military use,
it cannot be classified as an "assault rifle".

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May 14, 2023 22:08:02   #
BIRDMAN
 
permafrost wrote:
No invention at all, he speaks the truth and has the facts and info to back it up... It you and yours who must stop life in the bubble and using rose colored glasses.

Of these links the PEW is the most interesting, you may wish to follow and review the situation.. also the search brought up dozens of other related articles if you do desire information.


https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/us-children-gun-deaths-dg/index.html

Children and teens are more likely to die by guns than anything else
By Annette Choi, CNN
Updated 8:41 AM EDT, Wed March 29, 2023

Guns are the leading cause of death for US children and teens, since surpassing car accidents in 2020.

Firearms accounted for nearly 19% of childhood deaths (ages 1-18) in 2021, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wonder database. Nearly 3,600 children died in gun-related incidents that year. That’s about five children lost for every 100,000 children in the United States. In no other comparable country are firearms within the top four causes of mortality among children, according to a KFF analysis.

The shooting at The Covenant School in Nashville on Monday, marks the 16th shooting this year in grades K-12 and the deadliest since the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, last year, according to a CNN analysis of school shooting data. Six people — three children and three adults — were killed.

There have been 130 mass shootings so far in 2023, the highest number of shootings recorded at this point in any year since at least 2013, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive.

Child and teen mortality overall surged during the Covid-19 pandemic — driven not by Covid-19 deaths but by fatal injuries, according to a new study in JAMA. Firearms accounted for nearly half of the increase in mortality in 2020.


https://www.kff.org/health-reform/press-release/firearms-are-the-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-in-the-united-states-but-rank-no-higher-than-fifth-in-other-industrialized-nations/

Firearms are the Leading Cause of Death for Children in the United States But Rank No Higher Than Fifth in Other Industrialized Nations


https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

APRIL 26, 2023
What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.
BY JOHN GRAMLICH
More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That included record numbers of both gun murders and gun suicides. Despite the increase in such fatalities, the rate of gun deaths – a statistic that accounts for the nation’s growing population – remained below the levels of earlier decades.

Here’s a closer look at gun deaths in the United States, based on a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the CDC, the FBI and other sources. You can also read key public opinion findings about U.S. gun violence and gun policy.
No invention at all, he speaks the truth and has t... (show quote)



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May 15, 2023 09:59:47   #
Airforceone
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yes, I am well aware of what an AR15 is, I've owned three of them, a Colt, a Rock River, and now a DPMS carbine.
And, because the AR15 is a semi-auto civilian version of a rifle designed for military use,
it cannot be classified as an "assault rifle".


Wow did not realize that.
Does the Civilian version of the AR-15 use the same kind of ammunition.

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May 15, 2023 10:09:32   #
Airforceone
 
American Vet wrote:
Do you consider a 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 year old gang member a "child"?


Look I am not talking about gang members you seem to be hung up on that issue.

We are talking about or trying to talk about mass killings in our schools and the cost to keep them safe.

But a quick answer

16-17 18 year olds are kids the problem is these kids grew up in poverty that’s all they know is the streets.,

But the Republican Party is against giving these kids a path out of poverty and it has to start when there young.

We have to educate and feed these kids growing up in poverty. That’s how you break the string of poverty in a family.

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May 15, 2023 11:04:33   #
WEBCO
 
Airforceone wrote:
Look I am not talking about gang members you seem to be hung up on that issue.

We are talking about or trying to talk about mass killings in our schools and the cost to keep them safe.

But a quick answer

16-17 18 year olds are kids the problem is these kids grew up in poverty that’s all they know is the streets.,

But the Republican Party is against giving these kids a path out of poverty and it has to start when there young.

We have to educate and feed these kids growing up in poverty. That’s how you break the string of poverty in a family.
Look I am not talking about gang members you seem ... (show quote)


So the Republican party is responsible for their lack of education? That seems odd since they mainly live in democrat run cities and the school and teachers unions are firmly under democrats control, and have been for years. So please explain how you've come to blame Republicans for this problem, when it seems clear that it's a democrat problem.

You break these children out of poverty by holding THEM accountable for THEIR actions and decisions. You quit handing money out to single moms, who keep having children. You push the values of fathers and two parent homes, not the gang life. You give them hope, instead of telling them that they are "victims" of racism. They have all the opportunities, or should have, to succeed and live the American dream. It can not be forced on them, but they can not be coddled and lied to anymore by the "progressive" white people in the democratic party

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May 15, 2023 11:09:58   #
WEBCO
 
Airforceone wrote:
Wow did not realize that.
Does the Civilian version of the AR-15 use the same kind of ammunition.


An AR-15 is simply a weapon platform that is highly adaptable. The same lower receiver can accommodate many different types of ammunition. For my AR-15s I can shoot 5.56, 9mm, .22lr, and .50 caliber rounds by changing the bolt carrier group, the upper reciever/barrel and a drop in magazine converter.

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May 15, 2023 11:48:12   #
BIRDMAN
 
Airforceone wrote:
Look I am not talking about gang members you seem to be hung up on that issue.

We are talking about or trying to talk about mass killings in our schools and the cost to keep them safe.

But a quick answer

16-17 18 year olds are kids the problem is these kids grew up in poverty that’s all they know is the streets.,

But the Republican Party is against giving these kids a path out of poverty and it has to start when there young.

We have to educate and feed these kids growing up in poverty. That’s how you break the string of poverty in a family.
Look I am not talking about gang members you seem ... (show quote)



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May 15, 2023 12:19:34   #
Radiance3
 
Airforceone wrote:
We all know the cost of lives in this country from mass killings from adults to children. But there are other issues to consider.


As schools around the country deal with teacher shortages 71%of teachers say the reason is they just don’t feel safe due to Mass shootings.

Superintendents and educators face imminent dangers and have to take time away from teaching. The schools have to hire and train (security resource officers) (SRO) the schools need to supply staffs with the the tools they need to keep safety at the forefront of every School day in an attempt to prevent teacher shortage.

Superintendents need look beyond armed guards and metal detectors and on a weekly basis create active shooter drills and with these capabilities 63% of all teachers still do not feel safe.

Schools around the country are ordering new technology called (VISUAL GUN DETECTIONS SYSTEMS) which is artificial Intelligence. Another system called ( ZERO EYES VISUAL SYSTEMS) and at what cost to the school budgets. Just look at the cost to the school budgets. There are approximately 11,500 public and private K thru 12 schools in this country. School shootings alone has created a $4.2 billion industry in this country just in new advanced equipment. This does not take into consideration metal detectors at the entrance to each school. Average cost of a metal detector is approximately $3,200 each. How many metal detectors are required at each school.

The rise in Mass killings is clearly impacting our countries teachers. When kids arrive at school we have armed guards full body armor and metal detectors.

Then teachers need training which is called situational awareness. Knowing what is happening around you and being able to quickly identify potential threats. At what cost to the school budget and not to mention teacher awareness and not preparing to teach your a class.

As we listen to republicans and MAGA arguing that hiring more SRO’s but what republicans don’t understand that does not solve the problem. Because we can look at the 375 law enforcement officers from Texas responded to the Uvalde shootings all trained and failed to take action as 19 kids and 2 adults killed. So what training was done at this school.

I would hope as you read thru this topic please keep in mind the cost and the lost time for teachers that are there to teach academics not to teach survival tactics.

Just in 2020 and 2021 over 300,000 teachers left teaching and a additional number of Americans training to become teachers has dropped by 1/3.

So republicans creating safer environments in schools is essential to attracting teachers is clearly not working. There agenda is to push expansive mental health but these right wing legislators have no way of accomplishing this because now they have to raise taxes for advancing mental health, new technology, metal detectors, security guards fully armed, training for teacher awareness, most schools require at least 2 active shooter drills a month. This takes time away from teaching our kids. But the cost to totally making our schools safe can run into billions of dollars.

It was estimated that a school properly protected just your labor cost for security guards could add $1.4 million dollars a year. Because most towns have a high school, Jr. High School and on average 2 to 3 elementary schools. So just think about what it would cost to properly outfit just one school with security guards.not to mention high technology equipment

So we look at metal detectors, door and window alarm systems. We have approximately 1.8 million teacher what is the cost of training. So in order to keep our schools safe could cost up to $35 billion upfront cost not to mention daly cost of paying security guards and the cost to maintain these new high tech equipment in these schools. But now red state governors want the federal government to pay for these systems.

The national teachers union are demanding better mental health resources to help keep and retaining teachers and help reduce teacher burnout. They want the towns to provide training on how to identify and support students with mental illness. Offer mental health services. Bldg. Access control systems, Automatic door and window lock systems, alarm security monitoring systems, Additional physical barriers with fencing and locked gates, gun detection technology, additional exterior lighting with motion detectors, gun detection technology and active shooter training for students.

After all this stuff has been addressed and our schools look like a war zone right wing legislators and Republican Governors are out on the campaign trail on how they are going to keep our schools safe. But not one of these legislators has made there voters aware of the cost and who is going to pay the billions of dollars. Is it state local or federal taxes. All this is going on during the Republican agenda of not increasing the debt limit and adding Billions of dollars to the deficit.

Finally one teacher spoke up she teachers visual arts made the comment. (THIS IS NOT WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR) I signed up to teach not to teach survival tactics and where to run and hide. And not one of the right wing legislators addressed how to regulate or get these guns out of the hands of these kids. What your addressing is all this high tech equipment, Security guards, metal detectors, training, teacher and student mental health, armed guard, window and door locks, barriers fences all to watch an 18 year old kid can walk into a gun shop and purchase an assault weapon with no regulations. Not only are you requiring to add all these safety issues at billions of dollars in cost your proposing weaker gun laws.

(DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE)

Why can’t we spend the time with our legislators on how to get at a minimum assault rifles off the street and minimum age to purchase a gun, and background checks.

And before I get your barrage of insults please think about what lack of any gun control legislation means to this country in tax dollars. Not to mention the leading cause of death to our children is now mass killings which use to be car accidents.

And please don’t use your agenda on abortion and democrats won’t protect our kids in the womb. Democrats support abortion under three conditions. (RAPE) (INCEST) (AND MEDICALLY NECESSARY FOR THE MOTHERS LIFE)

Now what security situations do we need at malls, grocery stores, churches, night clubs.
We all know the cost of lives in this country from... (show quote)

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AF1, we had fewer violence during the Republican administration.
Statistics showed that shootings were fewer during the Trump administration.

The rapid increase of gun violence is due to the removal of God from the lives of the children and adults. Many broken families without God. Kids are raised without God. They grow with self-pride, hatred, dumb, and without respect to parents and superiors. Without God, they hate their parents, teachers, classmates, and others of different race.

Without God, here are the 7 deadly sins acted by the people.
Pride, Envy, Wrath, Sloth, Greed, Gluttony, Lust.


Pride? Being proud who they are.
Envy? Desire to have some attributes that others have.
Wrath? Extreme anger.
Sloth? No desire for action to do labor or to work.
Greed? Extreme desire for something like power, wealth, or food.
Gluttony? Greed or excess eating.
Lust? Desire for something you crave. Lust for money, or filthy things.

These 7 sins are now very common and often times displayed and committed among the youths and adults, men, women, children of Godless Marxist-Democrat people. commonly done in schools, public places, and people gatherings.

That is what we have now because the Biden administration removed God from this country and from Public Schools, and from the people.

Other most prevalent cause of killings in America is the massive drugs of fentanyl coming from China thru the Wide-Open borders of Biden.

China wants to weaken the US, and that includes killing of the future generations. Now targeting teens and adults between the ages of 13 to 45. Tens of thousands die each year. Much more than guns in fact.

Under the Biden administration effective 2021.
A 2021 Gallup poll revealed another grim number for Christians: church membership in the US has fallen below 50% for the first time .Apr 9, 2023

Our Catholic church is growing but being burned down by abortionist groups of this Godless Democrat administration.

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May 15, 2023 13:34:01   #
American Vet
 
Airforceone wrote:


Look I am not talking about gang members you seem to be hung up on that issue.
I am pointing out the disinformation that you and the leftist use by counting these 16 - 19 year olds as "children".

We are talking about or trying to talk about mass killings in our schools and the cost to keep them safe.
So it costs to keep them safe. We could use the money spent on 'transgenders museums' and 'a bridge to nowhere'; money earmarked authorized $452 million to build two bridges in Alaska—including one that became known as the so-called Bridge to Nowhere, which would have connected the city of Ketchikan to Gravina Island, home to only a few dozen people. Plenty of more useless "projects" where the money can be found.

[i]16-17 18 year olds are kids the problem is these kids grew up in poverty that’s all they know is the streets. But the Republican Party is against giving these kids a path out of poverty and it has to start when there young. We have to educate and feed these kids growing up in poverty. That’s how you break the string of poverty in a family.[i]
In the 50+ years President Johnson declared "War on Poverty", U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs. Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all U.S. military wars since the American Revolution. Yet progress against poverty, as measured by the U.S. Census Bureau, has been minimal, and in terms of President Johnson’s main goal of reducing the “causes” rather than the mere “consequences” of poverty, the War on Poverty has failed completely. In fact, a significant portion of the population is now less capable of self-sufficiency than it was when the War on Poverty began

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May 15, 2023 14:00:39   #
BBZ Loc: Long Island, NY
 
pescado rojo wrote:
You are such a liar. No one can be that wrong accidentally. The leading cause of death among youth is NOT guns; if you had the wits to actually look something up you would realize that.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/child-health.htm

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1017949/distribution-of-the-10-leading-causes-of-death-among-children

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01

It is unusual for the legal purchaser of a firearm to commit a crime with it. The few examples that are over-hyped by the media are not typical. Most school shootings occurred at after school events like ball games and many times did not even involve students.
According to the FBI, most of the guns recovered from criminals are stolen. Maybe you have some brilliant idea has to how those will be registered, or banned. The facts are that most mass shootings occur in about ten metro areas, and the majority involve black gang-bangers shooting each other. The fact is that there are about 24 million AR/AK type scary looking rifles in this country today, and they account for less than TWO PERCENT of the murders.

Since you have invented most of your post, keep inventing and tell us how YOU would go about prevention of gun deaths. Tell us HOW you would implement these preventative measures. and whether or not they are legal. You can talk crap all day long, and it is worthless when you have no idea how to bring that crap to fruition.
We are waiting, oh Fountain of All Knowledge Worth Knowing.
I guess we are in for a long wait.
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Guns are the leading cause of death for US children and teens, since surpassing car accidents in 2020.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/us-children-gun-deaths-dg/index.html

https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/

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May 15, 2023 14:23:05   #
American Vet
 


See previous comments about 16 - 19 year old "children".

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May 15, 2023 16:07:15   #
Samael
 
American Vet wrote:
Gun control is one of the greatest Utopian delusions of our time, that we can prevent the most extreme examples of retributive human behavior by making it slightly less convenient.


We have thousands of firearm laws already what we need, or the metal detectors, the new high tech devices that Air Force One mentioned and armed guards that wear body armor or we could just eliminate the public school system completely, and people could teach their children at home most of my property taxes here in Texas go to support a public school system that is clearly a failure

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