People Control v. Gun Control (Page 2): Since most of us prefer ‘facts’ to opinions, here are prerequisites for any American to participate in government sponsored rifle matches: Sign...

JuristBooks Loc: North Carolina

American Vet wrote:

LOL

Don’t you just hate it when you get smacked with facts?

Since most of us prefer ‘facts’ to opinions, here are prerequisites for any American to participate in government sponsored rifle matches:
Sign up ; when you show up ( say , at Camp Butner, N.C. You either bring your own spotter & spotting scope, a mat, ammo, & your own rifle .
A catch. Your rifle MUST BE an assault rifle. What’s that , Peg asks.
It is any rifle ever used by our military/ militia in wartime.
You may use a Brown Bess musket. A Sharps. A bolt action 1903 Springfield. An M1 carbine; M1-Garand; An M-14 ; an M-16, or modern civilian semi automatic only versions such as any AR-15 variant.

You choose. Then you shoot and you will receive an official scorecard. You are then eligible to purchase a surplus weapon from the Director of Civilian Marksmanship. They do change their name but it doesn’t matter.
Essence of story : there are many , many types of assault rifles. They ALL have been military standard issue weapons.
End of facts.
Have a nice day Peg et al.

maureenthannon

Jurist Books, You seem to be thinking about Common Sense being used n making & enforcing laws. The only problem with that is that Common Sense IS NOT VERY COMMON!!

JuristBooks Loc: North Carolina

maureenthannon wrote:

Jurist Books, You seem to be thinking about Common Sense being used n making & enforcing laws. The only problem with that is that Common Sense IS NOT VERY COMMON!!

Excellent point Ms. Maureen. Those few with whom i converse know full well i practically never say common sense. I refer to thinkers and doers as having Uncommon Sense.
Let the masses embrace common sense. The Public school system does of a good job of ensuring that is the case.
Have a Merry Christmas Ms. Maureen.

JuristBooks Loc: North Carolina

Sonny Magoo wrote:

Good post 🇺🇲

Thanks Sonny.
Merry Christmas

Smedley_buzkill

pegw wrote:

The vast majority of American are sick to deth of nut jobs obtaining assault rifles and shooting up nalls, elementary schools and night clubs. Why aren't our voices heard?

Less than one percent of all murders in the US are committed with what you, in your ignorance, call "assault rifles." These are merely semi auto rifles that look scary to people who are unfamiliar with firearms. According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, every year for the past ten years AT LEAST, more people are killed every year with knives than with ALL rifles, not just the scary looking ones. The same statement holds true for clubs, and for that matter, bare hands. A tiny fraction of one percent of all those "scary looking rifles" are used in crimes of any sort.
Nearly every mass shooting has taken place in a "gun free zone." Any halfway experienced rifleman could take any kind of rifle and cause just as many casualties because no one can shoot back.
Liberal Leg Humpers should at least trouble themselves to obtain some basic knowledge of the subjects they rant about.

Smedley_buzkill

JuristBooks wrote:

Since most of us prefer ‘facts’ to opinions, here ... (show quote)

The military definition of "assault rifle" is a magazine fed shoulder weapon capable of selective fire and firing an intermediate power cartridge. This would mean that the Garands and M14s, along with the Sharps or '03 or '17 Springfields don't qualify as an "assault rifle" either due to caliber or action.

SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics

pegw wrote:

The vast majority of American are sick to deth of nut jobs obtaining assault rifles and shooting up nalls, elementary schools and night clubs. Why aren't our voices heard?

I would tend to agree with you that Americans are sick to death, maybe we should try putting more effort into controlling the nut jobs, and less time arguing about how more or less dead someone is depending on the gun the nut job used.

JuristBooks Loc: North Carolina

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Less than one percent of all murders in the US are... (show quote)

Very nice reply. Good going.

JuristBooks Loc: North Carolina

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

The military definition of "assault rifle" is a magazine fed shoulder weapon capable of selective fire and firing an intermediate power cartridge. This would mean that the Garands and M14s, along with the Sharps or '03 or '17 Springfields don't qualify as an "assault rifle" either due to caliber or action.

The world of definitions may be changing but at National Matches- government sponsored, where a participant must use a military weapon that “is or has been in military use.”
Caliber has nothing to do with it. We have used .58 caliber, .50 cal., .338 , .300, .308 … down to puny .223/5.56 mm.
Why split infinitives here ? One crowd say assault rifles are ‘scary.’
One crowd dislikes “black rifles.” One crowd says must be full auto, another says they are all semi-auto.
Debate, debate, debate.
What’s the point ?
All rifles in military use were , in essence, the Assault Rifles of “their day.” Martial weaponry, and that includes muskets and bolt action rifles.
At the end of the day 99.9 percent of Liberals will Never comprehend any of this. That’s not our problem because if they are close- minded we can’t teach them.
In general I do like your posts.
Merry Christmas

valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"

JuristBooks wrote:

A “friendly amendment “ to your statement: the bu... (show quote)

IT IS NOT A FREAKING LICENSE. IT IS A FREAKING TAX AND ONLY A FREAKING TAX. AND YOU GO THROUGH THE SAME BACKGROUND CHECK THAT ANYBODY GOES THROUGH TO BUY ANY GUN
NO MORE AND NO LESS. UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BEFORE POSTING BULLSHIT. A SILENCER IS DONE THE SAME WAY AND THEY ARE NOT HEAVILY TRACKED.

JuristBooks Loc: North Carolina

valkyrierider wrote:

IT IS NOT A FREAKING LICENSE. IT IS A FREAKING TAX AND ONLY A FREAKING TAX. AND YOU GO THROUGH THE SAME BACKGROUND CHECK THAT ANYBODY GOES THROUGH TO BUY ANY GUN
NO MORE AND NO LESS. UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BEFORE POSTING BULLSHIT. A SILENCER IS DONE THE SAME WAY AND THEY ARE NOT HEAVILY TRACKED.

You pay a Fee for a license.
A license is the ability to do that which otherwise would be illegal.
All governmental fees are taxes. A monetary extraction from the Citizenry.
What the hell is wrong with some of you ? (And I believe many licenses to be unlawful but that’s not for here.)

Splitting hairs for nothing. Posting bullshit.
Silencer. A movie word.
Suppressor. A ‘ more precise’ word.
Does anyone care? No.

You can put suppressor’s on rifles ( even the .50 ) but does that ‘silence’ them ?

No. Again. Does it change anything?

The right argues against itself over perceived BULLSHIT, while the left laughs.

valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"

JuristBooks wrote:

You pay a Fee for a license. br A license is the a... (show quote)

Call it whatever the hell you want to but it is a one-time lifetime tax. License have to be renewed yearly. And if you use subsonic ammo it does silence the shot down to where you only hear the bullet hit the target and if it is an automatic you hear the bolt open and close also. I do know what I'm talking about.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

valkyrierider wrote:

IT IS NOT A FREAKING LICENSE. IT IS A FREAKING TAX AND ONLY A FREAKING TAX. AND YOU GO THROUGH THE SAME BACKGROUND CHECK THAT ANYBODY GOES THROUGH TO BUY ANY GUN
NO MORE AND NO LESS. UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BEFORE POSTING BULLSHIT. A SILENCER IS DONE THE SAME WAY AND THEY ARE NOT HEAVILY TRACKED.

You don't need to yell.

If you wish to deal, make, or import NFA firearms of any kind, you must already have a Federal Firearms License and then pay the Special Occupational Tax, which costs $500 a year. Paying this tax changes your status to that of a Special Occupational Taxpayer.

As with FFLs, there are multiple types of SOTs known as SOT (Special Occupational Taxpayers) Classes.

The SOT Class system is where “Class 3” comes from; however, each SOT Class requires you to hold a specific FFL type. Under the SOT system, there are three classes of taxpayers:

Class 1 SOT: Sales and importation of NFA firearms; requires a Type 08 or 11 FFL.
Class 2 SOT: Sales and manufacture of NFA firearms; requires a Type 07 or 10 FFL.
Class 3 SOT: Can deal NFA firearms, no importation or manufacturing; requires a Type 01, 02, or 09 FFL.

For example, a gunmaker specializing in machine guns needs the FFL and SOT status to manufacture NFA firearms, such as Type 07 FFL with Class 2 SOT.

JuristBooks Loc: North Carolina

valkyrierider wrote:

Call it whatever the hell you want to but it is a one-time lifetime tax. License have to be renewed yearly. And if you use subsonic ammo it does silence the shot down to where you only hear the bullet hit the target and if it is an automatic you hear the bolt open and close also. I do know what I'm talking about.

I’m not going to argue. This is no place to get into windage, elevation, caliber, sub-sonic, 9mm Parabellum, 9 mm kurz, and on & on …..
Thank you for your input.

keepuphope Loc: Idaho

pegw wrote:

The vast majority of American are sick to deth of nut jobs obtaining assault rifles and shooting up nalls, elementary schools and night clubs. Why aren't our voices heard?

Focus on the nut jobs and criminals then instead of letting them out an hour after a crime.