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Dec 3, 2022 22:22:00   #
Salvatore
 
Great post! The only thing I have to add is the truth is incontrovertible! Malice may attack it and Democrat ignorance may deride it but in the end there it is! Keep talking truth!

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Dec 3, 2022 22:49:49   #
guzzimaestro
 
Salvatore wrote:
Donald Trump has done more for America and Americans then all the Presidents combined from JFK to Obama! Put them altogether and they haven't done what Trump did in four years while being constantly harassed by the Democrats, the Corrupt Liberal News Media and every other anti-Trumper! So your a Trump hater, big deal! I didn't see anything about the Socialist Joe Biden and his Socialist Administration who are taking America to the brink of destruction!



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Dec 3, 2022 23:54:23   #
okie don
 
I went back to Randy's first post on:
" Who's fault is it", the thread.
Lot's of thought and input in these 3 pages.

One thing not mentioned was the racial division in our country.

I agree, LBJ started this 'freebie give away' program to primerely capture the minority race and the Demon-rats accomplished that.

Even Biden made the comment that if blacks didn't vote for him they weren't black, or something to that effect.

I see stores broken into across AMERICA primerely by black youth in our homeland. Businesses cannot survive with this **'reparation**' attitude of this race who in large have no daddy but are probably raised by one parent, their mothers or a relative.
They have no respect and were not disciplined. This class of Americans and let alone all the illegal aliens,drug cartels and gangs are bad and must be stopped somehow ...
I see our cities failing and it's dangerous to go out in New York in fear of being attacked and robbed. Los Angeles is the pits and Chicago is a war zone!

Our nation cannot survive with this activity.
WE GOT BIG PROBLEMS HERE IN RIVER CITY AND IT MAY TAKE A REVOLUTION as much as I hate to think along these lines.

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Dec 4, 2022 00:08:23   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
You are correct. The press talks about all the crime but they never talk about the race of the perpetrators. The black race is being destroyed in America by the Democrats. Let’s look at abortion. 36% of all abortions are by black women. All blacks make up about 13% of our population. Planned Parenthood is the biggest culprit when it comes to the destruction of life. The founder, Margaret Sanger was a racist who called for the elimination of the black race. Destruction of the family unit is the surest way to destroy a culture. At one time blacks had the strongest family units in the country. The family allowed them to face horrible challenge's. Democrat policies have destroyed the black family unit. The government has allowed young black men to “ditch” their responsibilities and has taken the place of the father. Now they let black youth in Democrat cities run wild and immoral with no consequences. I believe this is a Democrat plan. Not to save the black race, but destroy it.

okie don wrote:
I went back to Randy's first post on:
" Whose fault is it", the thread.
Lot's of thought and input in these 3 pages.

One thing not mentioned was the racial division in our country.

I agree, LBJ started this 'freebie give away' program to primerely capture the minority race and the Demon-rats accomplished that.

Even Biden made the comment that if blacks didn't vote for him they weren't black, or something to that effect.

I see stores broken into across AMERICA primerely by black youth in our homeland. Businesses cannot survive with this **'reparation**' attitude of this race who in large have no daddy but are probably raised by one parent, their mothers or a relative.
They have no respect and were not disciplined. This class of Americans and let alone all the illegal aliens,drug cartels and gangs are bad and must be stopped somehow ...
I see our cities failing and it's dangerous to go out in New York in fear of being attacked and robbed. Los Angeles is the pits and Chicago is a war zone!

Our nation cannot survive with this activity.
WE GOT BIG PROBLEMS HERE IN RIVER CITY AND IT MAY TAKE A REVOLUTION as much as I hate to think along these lines.
I went back to Randy's first post on: br " W... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2022 00:18:26   #
okie don
 
JFlorio wrote:
You are correct. The press talks about all the crime but they never talk about the race of the perpetrators. The black race is being destroyed in America by the Democrats. Let’s look at abortion. 36% of all abortions are by black women. All blacks make up about 13% of our population. Planned Parenthood is the biggest culprit when it comes to the destruction of life. The founder, Margaret Sanger was a racist who called for the elimination of the black race. Destruction of the family unit is the surest way to destroy a culture. At one time blacks had the strongest family units in the country. The family allowed them to face horrible challenge's. Democrat policies have destroyed the black family unit. The government has allowed young black men to “ditch” their responsibilities and has taken the place of the father. Now they let black youth in Democrat cities run wild and immoral with no consequences. I believe this is a Democrat plan. Not to save the black race, but destroy it.
You are correct. The press talks about all the cri... (show quote)


It's a serious problem and I really don't see how it can be eliminated.
Now I have noted what seems to me to be all types of colored people on TV, Commercials and programs. More so than whites.
Guess we " whiteys" are called " Crackers" based on slave drivers cracking the whips.

I just read another thread having to do with Newsome in California wanting to give all coloreds $220,000 in REPARATIONS!
Guess he's getting ready to run for president now that Nancy is not there!

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Dec 4, 2022 00:24:53   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Exactly what he’s doing. Hope the majority of blacks now know selling your vote has negative consequences for generations.


okie don wrote:
It's a serious problem and I really don't see how it can be eliminated.
Now I have noted what seems to me to be all types of colored people on TV, Commercials and programs. More so than whites.
Guess we " whiteys" are called " Crackers" based on slave drivers cracking the whips.

I just read another thread having to do with Newsome in California wanting to give all coloreds $220,000 in REPARATIONS!
Guess he's getting ready to run for president now that Nancy is not there!
It's a serious problem and I really don't see how ... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2022 04:38:04   #
Moeby
 
Thanks for the reply, my point is that it is not godlessness that is killing America as the second paragraph implies. Quite the contrary, religion is about money and control. People of faith are people who pretend to know what they do not know. People who ignore science over scripture do so at their own peril. I will not drink that koolaid along with them. And what god are they talking about? Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Hebrew, Buda ?

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Dec 4, 2022 07:33:13   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Moeby wrote:
Thanks for the reply, my point is that it is not godlessness that is killing America as the second paragraph implies. Quite the contrary, religion is about money and control. People of faith are people who pretend to know what they do not know. People who ignore science over scripture do so at their own peril. I will not drink that koolaid along with them. And what god are they talking about? Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Hebrew, Buda ?


To whom are you talking? Use "Quote Reply."

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Dec 4, 2022 07:48:41   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Moeby wrote:
Thanks for the reply, my point is that it is not godlessness that is killing America as the second paragraph implies. Quite the contrary, religion is about money and control. People of faith are people who pretend to know what they do not know. People who ignore science over scripture do so at their own peril. I will not drink that koolaid along with them. And what god are they talking about? Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Hebrew, Buda ?


My friend, this post was not focused religion, but since you bring it up, I strongly disagree with you. Belief and faith, or the lack thereof, in a Creator who holds us accountable for our life choices is a crucial part of what is happening in America.
First, let me address your statements. Religion is NOT about money and control. Yes, of course there are some who abuse it, but they are in the vast minority, including the prominent ones who get the media attention. My small town hosts dozens of churches and a ministerial alliance and they all do huge amounts of good for people in need. This is repeated throughout America. I have a personal relationship with God and His Son, and I promise you that it affects the way I act for the better. "What I know" is in my heart and mind, and so no, I can not prove it to you, but my words and actions hopefully reflect my faith. As for science, I happen to be a huge believer and fan of science as well. I am very knowledgeable for a layman, and there is no conflict between science and Christianity. Neither one provides all the detailed answers we sometimes seek, and both rely on faith. WAY too many people assume science has all the answers, and it does not, and in fact has a long and sordid history of providing results that were later proven incorrect.
My original post made a point about God being forced out of schools by the Democrats, and it is valid. But it equally applies to all religions. It was made NOT to sway anyone religiously or spiritually, but was instead a secular argument pointing out this simple truth:
When you raise generations of kids and make the effort to teach them that there IS NO God, or spiritual afterlife, there is no Supreme Being that will hold each of us accountable for our actions in this life, that this short life span is all there is, then there are real life consequences.
I could easily argue this point from the position of a committed Christian, but I have not and am not now. Instead I am stating the obvious fact that belief in God, or any Supreme Being, by individuals, provides hope, a sense of balance and justice and truth, and the knowledge (or at least possibility) of ultimate accountability after death. This innate belief in an afterlife heavily affects decision making in such things as suicide, killing, abortion, violence, hatred, selfishness, and pretty much every aspect of individuals emotions and choices. Raising generations deliberately instructed that this is all fairy tales (or kool-aid drinking) has severe consequences on society and culture.
I sought to only touch on this, as laying the foundation for what came after, but since you commented on it, this is my response and explaination. I hope it was helpful to you in understanding my points, even if you disagree with my belief in God.

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Dec 4, 2022 08:21:54   #
Turk182
 
Who are you going to fight in a revolution?
Why does everyone want to go back to where we were in 2019?
Apparently, the people liked what Trump did, in 4 years. Is there anyone that has done better?
Got a better candidate for president? Make a list of the names. Then do a good search of the names and see what they do, what they like, who they really are, and not some LGBTQ, etc. We don't need another LGBTQ for president, or in any other office. We don't need people of other faiths from other countries in government offices. Do a search of how many Muslims are in government.
We should have had term limits years ago, so let's put them in for the next election, and quit bitching about them, put them in.
No benefits for people that serve in any position in the government, they get the same as the public gets (SS), that way they won't be stealing money from that fund because they will have to draw from it when they retire.
Do we really need a congress? I don't think so, they are only there to collect their paycheck and any other money they can get. A committee of 12 could do the same.
Look at what they are doing to our schools and colleges, we don't need LGBTQ, communist, and socialist teaching like they are doing now.

Damn, do I have to run for president? LOL

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Dec 4, 2022 08:35:59   #
Big dog
 
Turk182 wrote:
Who are you going to fight in a revolution?
Why does everyone want to go back to where we were in 2019?
Apparently, the people liked what Trump did, in 4 years. Is there anyone that has done better?
Got a better candidate for president? Make a list of the names. Then do a good search of the names and see what they do, what they like, who they really are, and not some LGBTQ, etc. We don't need another LGBTQ for president, or in any other office. We don't need people of other faiths from other countries in government offices. Do a search of how many Muslims are in government.
We should have had term limits years ago, so let's put them in for the next election, and quit bitching about them, put them in.
No benefits for people that serve in any position in the government, they get the same as the public gets (SS), that way they won't be stealing money from that fund because they will have to draw from it when they retire.
Do we really need a congress? I don't think so, they are only there to collect their paycheck and any other money they can get. A committee of 12 could do the same.
Look at what they are doing to our schools and colleges, we don't need LGBTQ, communist, and socialist teaching like they are doing now.

Damn, do I have to run for president? LOL
Who are you going to fight in a revolution? br Why... (show quote)

Do it !!!!!!!

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Dec 4, 2022 09:03:22   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
RandyBrian wrote:
My friend, this post was not focused religion, but since you bring it up, I strongly disagree with you. Belief and faith, or the lack thereof, in a Creator who holds us accountable for our life choices is a crucial part of what is happening in America.
First, let me address your statements. Religion is NOT about money and control. Yes, of course there are some who abuse it, but they are in the vast minority, including the prominent ones who get the media attention. My small town hosts dozens of churches and a ministerial alliance and they all do huge amounts of good for people in need. This is repeated throughout America. I have a personal relationship with God and His Son, and I promise you that it affects the way I act for the better. "What I know" is in my heart and mind, and so no, I can not prove it to you, but my words and actions hopefully reflect my faith. As for science, I happen to be a huge believer and fan of science as well. I am very knowledgeable for a layman, and there is no conflict between science and Christianity. Neither one provides all the detailed answers we sometimes seek, and both rely on faith. WAY too many people assume science has all the answers, and it does not, and in fact has a long and sordid history of providing results that were later proven incorrect.
My original post made a point about God being forced out of schools by the Democrats, and it is valid. But it equally applies to all religions. It was made NOT to sway anyone religiously or spiritually, but was instead a secular argument pointing out this simple truth:
When you raise generations of kids and make the effort to teach them that there IS NO God, or spiritual afterlife, there is no Supreme Being that will hold each of us accountable for our actions in this life, that this short life span is all there is, then there are real life consequences.
I could easily argue this point from the position of a committed Christian, but I have not and am not now. Instead I am stating the obvious fact that belief in God, or any Supreme Being, by individuals, provides hope, a sense of balance and justice and truth, and the knowledge (or at least possibility) of ultimate accountability after death. This innate belief in an afterlife heavily affects decision making in such things as suicide, killing, abortion, violence, hatred, selfishness, and pretty much every aspect of individuals emotions and choices. Raising generations deliberately instructed that this is all fairy tales (or kool-aid drinking) has severe consequences on society and culture.
I sought to only touch on this, as laying the foundation for what came after, but since you commented on it, this is my response and explaination. I hope it was helpful to you in understanding my points, even if you disagree with my belief in God.
My friend, this post was not focused religion, but... (show quote)


When I read his post, Randy, I was moved to make a reply and was already formulating what I was going to say. Then I read yours and you said exactly what I was thinking. Very good post and I totally agree with your points.

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Dec 4, 2022 10:36:21   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Moeby wrote:
Thanks for the reply, my point is that it is not godlessness that is killing America as the second paragraph implies. Quite the contrary, religion is about money and control. People of faith are people who pretend to know what they do not know. People who ignore science over scripture do so at their own peril. I will not drink that koolaid along with them. And what god are they talking about? Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Hebrew, Buda ?


People of Faith such as myself are Believers. Actually quite simple. We believe Jesus Christ is who he said he was (God made man, Son of God) and he did what he said he came here to do (die for our sins so we can be saved).

Many organized religion's are about power and money. The Bible also talks about such things. People who replace Biblical truths with scientific theory are in for a rude awakening. There is only one God. There are those who want to know. Those who refuse to know, and those who hate God or the idea of a God.

https://www.raptureready.com/2014/02/08/7-signs-of-the-end-times-by-britt-gillette/

Going to Church now and I will pray for this lost world and especially the unbelievers. Have a great Sunday.

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Dec 4, 2022 12:20:37   #
Ricktloml
 
RandyBrian wrote:
It is the left's fault. The division in race, in political parties, the rise in riots, the open hatred and general animosity. Even the rise in violent crime, INCLUDING mass shootings.
Why?
Because in the last twenty years or so, the left in general, and the 'woke' part of the left specifically, have made intolerance and violence socially acceptable. And the Democrat party, specifically the leadership, has embraced doing so, encouraged it, and even called it heroic.
The stage was set in the 60's with the left wingers pushed God out of education. When the left said there is no God and no need to believe in God, because it is all fairy tales. When a troubled or unhappy individual sees no greater good, and no reward or punishment in an afterlife, and trusted people says it is stupid and ignorant to believe in an afterlife, that opens many options that a believer would never consider. When life appears worse than the peace of death, why not? Suicide becomes an acceptable alternative, as does murder. After all, once a person accepts that they want to die, it is only a tiny bit farther to decide to take others along.
But that is a different discussion. It relates here only because rejecting God was the start.

Up until Reagan was elected, the Democrats stayed within reason with their accusations of what the Republicans political goals were. But so many Democrats voted for Reagan, the leaders realized they were losing....they felt they had to change tactics. So beginning after Reagan left office, their political rhetoric became more and more extreme and filled with lies and exaggerations. Everything they said and did was geared to appeal to the low information and politically ignorant citizens that votes based on optics and sound bites. In 2000, with the help of an unqualified BUT charming and charismatic Barrack Obama, the new tactics started paying off.

As a result, for the last 22 years the left/woke/Democrats have encouraged and pushed intolerance for anything that did not agree with their narratives. Voicing opposition was not enough. Logic and reasoning was not enough. ANGER and OUTRAGE at ANY dissent was the order of the day. Don't like Trumps policies? Then harass and attack his officials and supporters! Attack kids with red hats. Interrupt meals. Say any lies you want. The end justifies the means. Don't like conservatives? Then violently protest them when they come on campus. It is not enough to decline to attend their speeches, we must STOP them from saying ANYthing to ANYbody! Don't like racism? Then let's redefine it so that ONLY Caucasians are racists, and it is not enough to be color blind....if POC are not given special privileges, and any white folks are not violently anti-racist, then they too are racists! If ANYthing is said, seen, or remembered that you don't like, then it is absolutely OFFENSIVE and WILL NOT BE TOLERATED! Some 60 year old wore black face in a costume 45 years ago? Cancel the racist! Some teen girl wears an oriental dress to prom? Cancel the tramp for cultural appropriation.
The examples are endless. And the media, for the most part, went along with it enthusiastically. Here was a chance to 'guide' the public into politically correct thinking.
This is the age, the century (so far), in which violent intolerance and extremism is encouraged and dignified and celebrated by some of the most powerful and influential politicians and celebrities and media in America.
Why is crime increasing? Much of it is because of soft on criminal Democrat policies, but it is also because the left has been telling the poor that they DESERVE to take what they want. Doing so is righteous and justice.
Why are riots, including race riots increasing? Because the left has been saying that ANY time a black person is hurt, then it is racially motivated, and outrage and violence are acceptable.
Why are mass murders increasing? Because the left has made it clear that actions as a result of outrage and anger is acceptable social behavior, even if it is an individual.
Why are our university campuses in disarray? Because the left has convinced them that screaming temper tantrums and violent protests are fine if you don't like what they are saying, or even if you just don't like them personally.

This post has no links because these are my thoughts and convictions based on 50 years of paying attention. American politics is similar to California forests. The unacceptable 'dead wood' has now been made acceptable by 22 years of leftist and Democrat words and policies, and is just laying there waiting for the spark-of-the-day to start a wildfire. The only way to correct it is to start clearing away the dead wood. That will take time and effort. We need to clear the forest of our culture of all the 'dead wood' attitude that is waiting for the strike of a match.
And, by the way, disagreeing with someone is NOT hatred. But intolerance of free speech IS.
The way to begin is to STOP condemning any one or any thing that we disagree with. Listen. Agree or disagree. But do it with out hatred or violence. Those things must be made socially and culturally unacceptable once again.
I look forward to comments by everyone.
It is the left's fault. The division in race, in ... (show quote)




Your thoughts/convictions IMO are right on the money. I would add; it's all intentional. That "fundamental transformation" into a left-wing/socialist/communist/fascist style society IS the goal...with the accompanying power/control going to the left/Democrat/Communists.

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Dec 4, 2022 12:33:13   #
Ricktloml
 
Farnorth wrote:
History being written by the winners. I lived through what you just described, as an ultra conservative western man, rural Wyoming in fact.
This is projection for the most part. Donald trump is not a leader , and not even worth talking about. We need true leaders, the kind that don’t move to run for office , or get their money from PACs, or hide behind Jesus grace to excuse their real lack of character. These are the republican hero’s of today.
We are losing power because we have lost our way. When will we have a platform again. Mindless rallies don’t address the drug and corruption issues.
Blaming equally corrupt dems shows cowardice. Tell me what you want to do about this, you personally , and not some tucker Carlson entertainer theory.
America is great, that is the truth. It’s not great thanks to our politicians, it’s thanks to you and me. Let’s use this space to advance a new party, one that fights and listens for the ideas that make our future as great as our past.
Here is one. Term limits. One term on ojffice for the president. That will stop this endless bickering. Either get it done or get out. Write back, I’m listening.
History being written by the winners. I lived thro... (show quote)




TDS much?! Trump wasn't mentioned.

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