rebelwidacoz Loc: Illinois

The fact remains that Marxist leninist are still not so much nazi/ fascists controlling doctrines so much as advocates of controlling types of economics that is the opposite of the free market system of Capitalism.Bottom line you need to go back and read up on what communism and socialism are.The freedom denied is only the freedom of your ability to own the goods and services that you have the potential to produce and have produced .,the government controls it ,and distribute according to your need,not according to your wants.On the other hand there are authoritarian governments that are restrictive of your total freedom, things like not letting you have freedom of speech and restrict your very movements of travel.Why do you think there are people whom in order to be free they have to defect

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

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I suggest that serious socialist and communist [pseudo-Marxist or pseudo-Leninist] governments become full owners of as much of the property, industry, service facilities, and all other means of production and wealth as they can possibly manage [and not well-managed at that]. Citizens become vassals of the state, and control of the state is reserved for single-party elites. The military supports the state not the people.

Internal order in these situations has to be bolstered by a secret service, local party members with power of arrest, and the usual snitch-on-your-neighbor demand, death to real opposition or banishment to concentration camps. Death's mount into the multi-millions. Religions are stifled and banned, if possible, in favor of the atheism inherent in these forms of governance.

As vassals of the state citizens other than the elites are typically reduced to near poverty, and the middle and upper-middle classes are depressed or killed. Ultimately, the elites realize that a bit of well-monitored free market organization is needed for the nation to survive economically. Some power then tends to shift a little towards the oligarchs that run industry, services, and agriculture, with some real success.

As always, however, absolute power continues to be vested in the party apparatus and the anointed leader. As time progresses, the system tends towards totalitarianism, or breaks down under the many intractable problems they have created for themselves, or...

Until the next coup.

Anyone that wants these forms of government are literally out of their minds! The lesson of history is that Utopia is not a viable objective for large societies. Human nature in the people thwarts the process, often to return to the religious leanings of their past, and their latent desires for freedom and liberty.

American Vet

Bottom line: I have read a lot about 'communism' and 'socialism'.

May I suggest you educate yourself in proper English - especially grammar - and learn to construct a coherent sentence/paragraph. Your ability to effectively communicate needs much improvement.

rebelwidacoz Loc: Illinois

I suggest that the people are not as vassled as totalitarian countries enemies
want people to think they are.I suggest that a country that has a population of 1
.4 billion people being so malcontented and oppressed as you say they are, could easily Marshall their anger and over throw a government that has a military of no more than 2,000,000 odd personell,a country thats military is designed to repell out side threats ,cannot necessarily discourage internal threats that are of significant proportions. There is a phrase that goes something like this -keep majority of the people happy all of the time,and the rest of the people at least happy half the time
Do this and this is the formula for keeping totalitarian regimes viable.The contentions of totalitarian regimes committing atrocities like murdering their citizens in the millions is not true.If that's the case the world would know of it.
Just like Hitler couldn't hide the holocaust ,so could they not hide atrocities of such hololistic proportions .To support my theories on the matter,if these authoritarian governments were so draconian domineering, they wouldn't have to do as much lying and deception about disciplining those few of their citizens that decent from time to time- and just like coups didn’t work in the United States, neither will they work in countries like China and Russia.

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

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Friend, you need to read the "Gulag Archipelago" very carefully. In doing so, you will begin to understand what you are being told by me and others. Further, you seem to be willing to call me a liar. I do not lie, and if you read that book you will be better able to recognize the truth when you read it! Unfortunately, you seem to be enthralled by Communism, which is a concrete indication that you are rather uninformed. Perhaps uninformed by propaganda. Until you do read that book, I will not exchange with you further.

rebelwidacoz Loc: Illinois

May I suggest that you cease with the bitchy un becoming tactic of criticising people's grammar- you are not qualified to do so ( you are a damned CONFEDERATES) and when it comes to the english language- SHUT UP !-not only is your grammar not of the garden variety ,but more importantly, the fundamentals of your debates are stupid as hell because they are laced with your caucasoid ,active shooter emotions as opposed to cerebral objectivity - this leads to just plain ole chaoticness ,there are either one or two reasons for this.- either you are stupid as hell ,or you are a damned RACIST! - and ah caint' stan' dem!

American Vet

I criticize your grammar because you are barely able to construct a readable paragraph.

Perhaps pharmaceuticals are involved - seems like it.

But, as I have stated many times before, you can tell when a weak-minded extremist has been b-slapped - They accuse the other person of being a racist or a Nazi.

EmilyD

Ah caint' stan' Dems either...... 🤣

rebelwidacoz Loc: Illinois

Alright,you are not a racist BUT !!! STUPID AS HELL ! b-b- by the way , you do not start a sentence with the word BUT- and I do not have the time or the inclination to explain why.

EmilyD

WRONG. It's absolutely okay to start a sentence with a conjunction. BUT, you probably should not try it because you wouldn't know the grammatically correct way to use it....

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

😁😁😁

American Vet

It has been my experience that when a whacko says ‘they don’t have the time’, it means they are ‘tucking tail and running’.

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

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Nice comeback, Emily. My only comment at this point is can anyone today be so blatantly uneducated? Could this be a scam he is running, pretending to come up from the nasty waters of the sewer?

EmilyD

I think I know what you're saying....that it's not really typo's and misspellings that's the problem, it's that people were never taught how to use words correctly in the context of what is being discussed. You can get a point across usually with very few words, so I don't think it's knowing a lot of words that is needed, its how to use the words to convey a thought. And that's what I think is lacking with this person... That, and that he or she has an attitude problem. 😐

BIRDMAN

Serious question did you study psychology .