rebelwidacoz wrote:
The fact remains that Marxist leninist are still not so much nazi/ fascists controlling doctrines so much as advocates of controlling types of economics that is the opposite of the free market system of Capitalism.Bottom line you need to go back and read up on what communism and socialism are.The freedom denied is only the freedom of your ability to own the goods and services that you have the potential to produce and have produced .,the government controls it ,and distribute according to your need,not according to your wants.On the other hand there are authoritarian governments that are restrictive of your total freedom, things like not letting you have freedom of speech and restrict your very movements of travel.Why do you think there are people whom in order to be free they have to defect
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I suggest that serious socialist and communist [pseudo-Marxist or pseudo-Leninist] governments become full owners of as much of the property, industry, service facilities, and all other means of production and wealth as they can possibly manage [and not well-managed at that]. Citizens become vassals of the state, and control of the state is reserved for single-party elites. The military supports the state not the people.
Internal order in these situations has to be bolstered by a secret service, local party members with power of arrest, and the usual snitch-on-your-neighbor demand, death to real opposition or banishment to concentration camps.
Death's mount into the multi-millions. Religions are stifled and banned, if possible, in favor of the atheism inherent in these forms of governance.
As vassals of the state citizens other than the elites are typically reduced to near poverty, and the middle and upper-middle classes are depressed or killed. Ultimately, the elites realize that a bit of well-monitored free market organization is needed for the nation to survive economically. Some power then tends to shift a little towards the oligarchs that run industry, services, and agriculture, with some real success.
As always, however, absolute power continues to be vested in the party apparatus and the anointed leader. As time progresses, the system tends towards totalitarianism, or breaks down under the many intractable problems they have created for themselves, or...
Until the next coup.
Anyone that wants these forms of government are literally out of their minds! The lesson of history is that Utopia is not a viable objective for large societies. Human nature in the people thwarts the process, often to return to the religious leanings of their past, and their latent desires for freedom and liberty.