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Let's try something new....truth and factual discussion without lies and distortions. subject: Abortion
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Oct 9, 2022 23:14:01   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Strycker wrote:
I won't go back and rehash the different points of view. I do give you the credit for mostly standing behind your convictions. Especially in as that you think a woman should be legally held responsible for her decisions to have an abortion. Though I wholeheartedly disagree with that stance, I respect you for stating it concisely and bluntly. Few other are willing to do so. Most are willing to compromise on their willingness to call it murder in order to advance their agenda. If one believes abortion is murder then I do not understand how one accepts some murder as a compromise. Makes no sense to me and only weakens their stated convictions.

As far as my personal opinion on the subject I have more or less already stated it and you have already dismissed it. I do not see a fertilized egg at the moment of conception as a human being. I see it as a cell containing the building blocks, DNA, to become a human being but that it is not yet a human being. A human being is much more than just DNA. The building of a house starts with a blueprint, but, a blueprint is not a house. It does not become a house until some time after someone decides to build it or when someone fails to stop the construction.
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Thank you for the response. I agree with your first paragraph, but obviously not with the second. However, I think you make your point well.
Thanks again for the discussion. I wish some on the left would chip in as well.
What about it guys? It's not too late to chime in.

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Oct 9, 2022 23:47:44   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Thank you for the response. I agree with your first paragraph, but obviously not with the second. However, I think you make your point well.
Thanks again for the discussion. I wish some on the left would chip in as well.
What about it guys? It's not too late to chime in.



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Oct 10, 2022 02:33:08   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
TexaCan wrote:
Donho50 said……….

“Again, I see very little light between our points of view. My point is that more people in this country want access to legal abortion in some form than those who would like it abolished all together. As long as that sentiment holds true, the best we can hope for is minimizing these occurences through restrictions on late term abortion,”

You answered…….

“I understand, I think there is room for both of our reproaches.”


I say……👿

So…….there is “room” to save the babies that are “late term”……..At what point does a baby become late term? At what point does this baby become, a real live baby, worth saving? If a baby is only 23 weeks, I guess it’s OK to reach in there and pull that baby out one leg, then one arm, then put the little body parts in a trash bag!…As long as we don’t allow anyone to sell those little body parts……but, if he/she is 24 weeks or older…..there is a stay in the death sentence? 😰

I believe in compromise when it comes to politics, between conservative policies and liberal policies………the decision of when its OK to kill God’s most precious gift, cannot be comprised on! This is not political! Jesus Christ gave His life for any and all that accepted Him to be their Savior………..There is no compromise in either decision!

And for anyone that thinks that a Christian’s religion should be kept out of this…..Think again! Our religion and our faith should be first and foremost in every step and in every decision of our life! The decision is ours! Jesus assured us that we are granted FREE WILL! Remember this…..Decisions have consequences!

This is my Opinion………everyone has the right to have and express their own!
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A "true Christian" wouldn't have premarital sex .Now would they?

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Oct 10, 2022 06:44:09   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
nonalien1 wrote:
A "true Christian" wouldn't have premarital sex .Now would they?


Forgive me for jumping in.
Your question/statement is flawed for several reasons.
A Christian SHOULD not engage in EXTRAmarital sex of any kind! Do they? Of course. All Christians are flawed human beings and are occasional sinners.
No one can judge whether a person is or is NOT a Christian based on sinful behavior. You CAN make judgments about the sinful behavior itself, and judgments about them embracing sinful behavior. Such judgments are not only allowed, but called for, in the Word of God.

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Oct 10, 2022 12:10:03   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Forgive me for jumping in.
Your question/statement is flawed for several reasons.
A Christian SHOULD not engage in EXTRAmarital sex of any kind! Do they? Of course. All Christians are flawed human beings and are occasional sinners.
No one can judge whether a person is or is NOT a Christian based on sinful behavior. You CAN make judgments about the sinful behavior itself, and judgments about them embracing sinful behavior. Such judgments are not only allowed, but called for, in the Word of God.
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Forgive me also. I was being facetious. A late night post when I should have known better. I've known prostitutes that were very religious and even a gay preacher. Who am I to judge or know what's in the hearts of others?

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Oct 10, 2022 20:01:08   #
Nelson7
 
David L wrote:
The abortion issue was not so clear years ago. People argued about when life began and it was all pretty much opinion. Now we have crystal clear scientific evidence that life begins at conception and a beating heart, finger prints, foot prints and DNA unique to that tiny child are present and provable at a very early stage of pregnancy. Funny how people who scream "follow the Science" about other issues, utterly ignore the scientific evidence on the abortion issue. AND, the Pro Choice people have a fit if we choose life. SO, I suggest that we stop calling them pro choice, because they are not. Call them Pro Death because they are.
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Life began a long time ago. Conception is two living things combining into a blended living thing. The key event to a human is the installation of our soul. This take place at birth with the first breath. God has a very sensible system that avoids a lot of problems. Just one example: if soul installed at conception then which one in a pair of identical twins would get it?

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Oct 10, 2022 21:47:07   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
nonalien1 wrote:
Forgive me also. I was being facetious. A late night post when I should have known better. I've known prostitutes that were very religious and even a gay preacher. Who am I to judge or know what's in the hearts of others?


LOL ! To be honest, I was wondering! Sometimes my own tongue-in-cheek comments are not that obvious to others, so I know what you mean.
And I think your last line is VERY Biblical. We do not judge people or their hearts. Only specific actions.
The left, on the other hand, seem to think they have a camera into every Republican's soul and know exactly what is in it, their motivation, and all their intentions.
Especially Trump.

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Oct 10, 2022 21:52:56   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Nelson7 wrote:
Life began a long time ago. Conception is two living things combining into a blended living thing. The key event to a human is the installation of our soul. This take place at birth with the first breath. God has a very sensible system that avoids a lot of problems. Just one example: if soul installed at conception then which one in a pair of identical twins would get it?


They both do, of course.
Thanks for stating your opinion. You seem very confident of your statement. Do you have anything to support this belief?
Also, do you mean to imply that God waits until birth to install a soul into a fetus so that it avoids unwanted complications in the process????

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Oct 10, 2022 23:05:34   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Nelson7 wrote:
Life began a long time ago. Conception is two living things combining into a blended living thing. The key event to a human is the installation of our soul. This take place at birth with the first breath. God has a very sensible system that avoids a lot of problems. Just one example: if soul installed at conception then which one in a pair of identical twins would get it?


I agree with the notion that your soul enters the body with your first breath or shortly after. But I also believe you have to be alive for a soul to enter.,

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