RandyBrian Loc: Texas

I'll start.
A******n k**ls a living creature. Is it a human being? I absolutely believe YES, he/she is a child and a human being. My reason for believing this is science and common sense. Others feel strongly that it is not. But can they give any REASONS for their belief other than the simple statement that it is NOT?
Maybe we'll see.
Here is a brief article about the subject, and the Protecting Unborn Children from Painful Late-Term A******ns Act.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/lindsey-graham-a******n-bill-sensible-despite-false-attacks

Before you respond, please bear in mind that this has nothing to do with religion, nor any attempt to 'force' religious convictions upon people. The need to end all a******ns not seriously threatening the mother's life is based solely on the conviction that a******n is murdering an innocent child, and is based on exactly the same logic that murdering a wife, a friend, a stranger, or anyone else is and should be illegal throughout our country. Religious convictions AGREE with this, but is not the reason behind it.
Comments?

David L Loc: Central Wisconsin

The a******n issue was not so clear years ago. People argued about when life began and it was all pretty much opinion. Now we have crystal clear scientific evidence that life begins at conception and a beating heart, finger prints, foot prints and DNA unique to that tiny child are present and provable at a very early stage of pregnancy. Funny how people who scream "follow the Science" about other issues, utterly ignore the scientific evidence on the a******n issue. AND, the Pro Choice people have a fit if we choose life. SO, I suggest that we stop calling them pro choice, because they are not. Call them Pro Death because they are.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Good luck! You’re paddling upstream without a paddle if you’re expecting a “t***h and factual discussion without lies and distortions on a******n!” The pro a******n folks depend on Emotions and personal attacks! IMHO! Those that believe that life begins at conception will always believe this and the liberals that don’t believe this will continue to believe that the woman has a right to murder her child as a form of birth control…….nothing ever changes on this forum on this subject or the subject of Trump!

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Hey, there, TexaCan! I hope you are doing well! Are you enjoying the cool weather we've been having?
I tend to agree with you, but I decided to give it a chance. I really am interested in what pro-choicers have to say about this subject....if we can keep out the personal insults and stick to facts, or at least opinions that have some credible foundations.
I thought (hoped) that starting a thread dedicated to civil and rational discussion might give those who choose a chance to express their beliefs, and WHY they believe them.

Bevvy

per capita a******ns are mostly done by b****s . A******n was started to control the b****s , it was started by democrats . remember it was the democrats that wore those white sheets and burned crosses . Years ago they were
called dixiecrats . it was dixiecrats who started that awful war back in 1861 to maintain their s***es . it was a republican president who gave them their freedom. So now they call all conservative w****s - white supremist - when only the democrats should wear that badge

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

My layman's reason why life begins at conception and a******n is murder…

Regarding ‘murder’, it is precise to say that under U.S. federal law, murder is the unlawful k*****g of a human being with malice aforethought – the "premeditation" or "predetermination" (with malice) that can be expressed (intent to k**l) or implied. Implied malice is proven by acts that involve reckless indifference to human life or in a death that occurs during the commission of certain felonies (the felony murder rule).

To expound on this, as I just stated, it is unlawful to k**l a human being by acts that involve reckless indifference to human life. How do I know that the embryo, fetus (baby), etc. is a human being whose life begins at conception? Simple logic…

Amoebas are single-celled organisms. Cells are the building blocks for all life forms. "Single-celled" means that amoebas have only one cell for their entire body. Amoebas, like humans, are considered life forms: KINGDOM: Protist – PHYLUM: Protozoa – CLASS: Rhizopoda – ORDER: Amoebida – FAMILY: Amoebidae – GENUS: Amoeba – SPECIES: Amoeba (Many species).

Every human being begins life as a single cell (like the amoeba), formed when the father's sperm fertilizes the mother's egg. When fertilization is completed and the nuclei of egg and sperm have combined, a new being – as in human – comes into existence. So therefore, a new life begins, whether it’s human or amoeba, when the father's sperm fertilizes the mother's egg or in the case of an amoeba, it splits in two. In the case of a human being, the conclusion can therefore be made that a human being’s life begins at conception.

Tying these two concepts together, any reasonable person can conclude that a******n is murder, with murder being the unlawful k*****g of a human being – whose life was just proven to begin at conception – with implied malice being proven by acts that involve reckless indifference to human life.

Lastly, the Lord’s commandment in proper wording is "Thou shall not murder.” The t***sliteration of the word murder or k**l in the original text (Strong’s H7523) is rāṣaḥ, which literally means to dash in pieces (sounds like an a******n to me); k**l (a human being), especially to murder; put to death.

donho50

Euthanasia k**ls a living creature, but I believe there are circumstances that warrant it.
Capital Punishment k**ls a living creature, but I believe there are circumstances that warrant it.
A******n, too, k**ls a living creature; albeit a creature with no say in the matter. And therein lies a difference.
Perhaps that is why reasonable restrictions need to be imposed. If I were a woman, I would not want to be compelled to carry a baby to term that I didn't want. Yet, I don't condone the right to simply terminate a life I allowed to grow and mature to the point of viability, unless for a medical necessity. How far beyond the first trimester choice should prevail is something society should decide. And religion should not be the arbiter of that decision.

American Vet

If I were a woman, I would not want to be compelled to carry a baby to term that I didn't want.

Then why did the woman participate in an activity that could result in pregnancy? It's called 'personal responsibility.

donho50

Yes. And there are frequent lapses in personal responsibility that have terrible consequences; such as living with the burden of having aborted a fetus. And that doesn't even touch on the incalculable instances of forced insemination that in no way suggests a lapse in personal responsibility. This is an issue where zero tolerance just cannot apply.

American Vet

There are those that would argue about the 'forced insemination/zero tolerance' comment.

Does that still justify k*****g the innocent unborn child?

Raped women who had their babies defy pro-choice stereotypes
https://www.liveaction.org/news/raped-women-who-had-their-babies-defy-pro-choice-stereotypes/

For those of us who were conceived in rape, are mothers from rape, birth mothers from rape, or post-abortive from rape, his statements are extremely disconcerting. It presumes that a child “prolongs the suffering” of rape survivors and that the child is actually jeopardizing her health and well-being, when this simply is not the case.
https://www.lifenews.com/2014/09/09/rape-survivors-keeping-the-baby-doesnt-prolong-the-suffering/

What Do Rape Victims Say About Their Pregnancies?
https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/22/rape-victims-say-pregnancies/

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

And if that woman gets pregnant, do the responsible thing and carry HER baby to full term. She can then put the baby up for adoption if she chooses not to keep it. A newborn baby is a gift that many couples can never have unless they adopt! I simply don’t understand how any Mother can murder her own baby out of convenience!…….And that is the reason most women have a******ns. A very minute percent of a******ns are performed because of health, rape, or incest! Many rape victims chose to keep their babies. They realize that the baby is their baby and it is not the babies fault and should not pay the ultimate price! Many women suffer from depression and guilt for many years after their decision to abort their baby……..and sadly, some never give it a second thought and do it multiple times!

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Sorry, I was writing my response when yours was posted! It’s apparent that many of us are in agreement!

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Excellent! 🙏🏻

woodguru

Go back to the part where this is what you believe, does what you believe matter or is it the person who is pregnant with a decision to make as to carry a baby full term and raise a child?

In a world where you believe about freedom above all else people need the freedom to act on their own personal beliefs rather than being made to do something they want because you don't believe in what they want to do.

American Vet