bggamers Loc: georgia

Then maybe its time to push back!!!

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Yep.
Ephesians Ch6 Vs 10 to 18.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Onward Christian soldiers!

Elrond51 Loc: New Mexico

1st Amendment with the Establishment Clause definitely was intended for that. Jefferson's letter brought that into focus.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

No "Establishment" of a State religion is what Jefferson was writing about.
Aparently you do not know much about Thomas Jefferson, and his beliefs.
A good start would be the book 'Thomas Jefferson, The Magnificent Populist.

Oscar louks

You are quoting a fact for one group of people. Pre-judging a group of people into one group.

Elrond51 Loc: New Mexico

This will be a rant, just so you know.

Apparently you believe you are the only one that knows anything - unless someone agrees with you. I haven't studied Jefferson, and probably won't study much, although I will read up a little more for my personal experience.

Churches and religion need to stay out of politics. I do understand that the Establishment Clause was intended to not foster a state religion, but by promoting Christianity and driving that into our legal system that is what is happening. In my opinion, once a church enters the arena, and especially when they preach the way to vote, they should loose their tax exempt status. I don't care about the belief system as long as they don't preach it to me and inject it into our politics. Keep their hands, laws and minds out of our personal lives, bedrooms and medicine. Go to church on Sundays and pretend to be "Christian". I am of the opinion that many, if not most, are hypocrits. This is a personal observation and not based on studies. I believe any church that helped fund pro-birth organizations should also loose their tax exempt status. I think that any judge that uses Christianity, or any other religious beliefs, as a basis for their decisions should be removed from the bench.

SCOTUS is driving us back to at least the 1950s, if not further. Nothing that has occurred in the past 70 years will be left standing if they get free reign. We will go back to white male landowners being the top of the food chain. We will be allowed to pollute ourselves right out of existence. And America, as I knew and understood it, will be lost. I am not looking forward to that. I do not prescribe to the "new" constitutional theories that are being espoused. I think the Founding Father's are rolling over in their graves and wondering how the hell we got here.

Capt-jack Loc: Home

Just look at the 10 comments...there are 6 that does not mention God, yet it is banned from many places. Just saying Tho shall not steal is not allowed, just saying Tho shall not kill is forbidden, and so on!
The problem is not GOD, the problem is we, us. Today, stealing is okay as long as you do not get caught.
Morales in America is just about gone, unknown, a joke to many!

So, now we all are at risk to walk around at night alone, and deadly for most young women. This is our world, there is no other!

Capt-jack Loc: Home

No, not true, it says "CONGRESS SHELL NOT ESTABLISH A RELIGION" that's it. Our brilliant founders SEEN how the King of England banished the church and the king MADE his own church.!!

I wager if that were not in the 1st Amendment, the Democrats would Establish the church of Satan.!! No doubt at all!!

Capt-jack Loc: Home

Is Pre-judging to you banning all who have an opinion? Thinking?

Capt-jack Loc: Home

I see you are an atheist!! All most every Capital building in America has IN GOOD WE TRUST on them, and It's on our money. Shell we grind it off all the Government buildings? Reprint our money?
I hear Cuba has no such thing as well Russia, you should look to moving to one.
Any Government without knowledge of God will fail and fall into a dark place, just look at what went on in the Soviet Union, they band God.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"In my opinion, once a church enters the arena, and especially when they preach the way to vote, they should loose their tax exempt status."
Your opinion.
Thank God atheists have not become the majority here.

Elrond51 Loc: New Mexico

It came 1st on the 2 cent coin in the late 1800's and on paper money in the mid 1950's. Under God was added to the pledge in the mid 1950's.

Elrond51 Loc: New Mexico

BTW - what makes you think I am an atheist?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Let's try this again.

Did America Have a Christian Founding?
The Bible in American Schools 1700 - 1900
How The Bible Inspired The American Founding From The Beginning
The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States
Benjamin Franklin Morris' book has been out of print for over 100 years. If you can find an original copy, it's only because you have looked in the deep recesses of university libraries where the volume is likely collecting dust on dimly lit library shelves. Organizations like the ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State have done their best to ignore the content of the massive compilation of original source material found in this book. If Americans ever become aware of the facts assembled by the author in this historic encyclopedia of knowledge, arguments for a secular founding of America will turn to dust.

Here is an excerpt from Byron Sunderland’s introduction to Benjamin Morris’ magnum opus:

. . . While every period has exhibited the signs of public degeneracy, none in our history presents more fearful proofs of the impiety and obduracy of great masses of people. We have abandoned, in great measure, the faith and the practice of our ancestors, in putting aside from their lawful supremacy the Christian ordinances and doctrines. The natural result is, that we have corrupted our ways in all circles of society and in all pursuits of life. We have become as a field rank with the growth of all vices and heaped with the pollution of mighty crimes.

The rigid training of former times through family government, discipline, and instruction has been greatly relaxed, if not in many cases wholly neglected. Indeed, there are multitudes of parents in the land who from physical and moral causes are totally unfit to have the care of children to whom they have given birth: so that a generation of human beings is growing up in one of the most favored regions of the globe, whose preparation for the responsibilities of their age and mission has been sadly at fault, and whose precocity in levity, mischief, and insubordination already equals the vitiating examples that are set before them.. The education of the nation is going forward with rapid strides, but it is in a lamentable degree under the auspices of immorality and irreligion, alike in the high and low places of the community.

The unblushing venality and brazen wickedness of a large portion of the conductors of the public press and of the public men of the country have strongly tended to demoralize the nation, to undermine the foundations and destroy the influence of Christian discipline, and to turn the mind and heart of many to infidelity and licentiousness. The same baleful spirit has moved upon the fountains of human learning and science, and so secularized the philosophy of the times as to have set the high faculty of human reason at variance with the sacred majesty of religion, and to have plunged thousands upon thousands of our young men and women into a sea of splendid sophistry and subtlety and all the ruinous speculation of a proud but vain imagination.

Meanwhile, from the hearts of multitudes the dignity of honest labor and the dictates of a sober and frugal economy have died out, on the one hand increasing pauperism and crime and lending to misfortune the aggravation of human improvidence, and the other fostering habits of false show, and thus increasing the temptation to deception, fraud, peculation, and all the dishonesties of the most high-pampered extravagance and excess. Moreover, the wanton neglect or abuse of our providential blessings, and the unconscious apostasy from from every sentiment of purity and virtue, have served greatly to defile and degrade the mind of a large portion of the community, and ill the centers of population with a low and vulgar herd, who throng the open temples of obscenity and infamy. Thus the materials are prepared for human guilt and wretchedness, whose catalogue of crimes and woes exhausts the power of language to express them.

Beyond all this, political controversy and partisan strife for the reins and spoils of power, conducted without principle, and reeking with abuse, have taken so fierce a form as often to have driven the best men from the arena and left the worst upon the field. The selfish and the profligate stand forward to control the nominations and elections to office, and afterwards gamble with its duties and obligations without shame and without remorse.

Reverend Morris began compiling the materials for his book in 1857.
Sunderland wrote his introduction in Washington DC on April 14, 1863
The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States was published in 1864.

Declarations of Founding Fathers and Early Statesmen on Jesus, Christianity, and the Bible
Congress, U. S. House Judiciary Committee, 1854
Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle… In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity… That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.