Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

What does United mean , again ?

Barbancon

Then you are opposed to federalism. In other words, you are anti-American.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

It means you need to tie your shoe laces.

WEBCO

Those are your beliefs and wishes. Alitos position is in line with the constitution. Bad rulings get overturned all the time. The right to an abortion isn't a law, not federal anyway, it's based on a bad interpretation of the 14th amendment. Are you thinking that you will have to cross state lines to get your next abortion? If so, I can see why you're so upset. If not then accept the new interpretation or fight to elect people who feel that the unregulated killing of babies is okay, like you do.

WEBCO

So you are OK with open carry laws, or concealed carry laws being the law in all 50 states?

How about voter ID laws? Or no voter drop boxes?

By the way, the freest states are the ones everybody is moving to...Florida, Texas, and Arizona. The most authoritarian states with the highest taxes are the states everybody is fleeing from...California, New York, and Illinois. Damn citizens wanting freedom and less government and taxes. How dare we not toe the DNCP line

WEBCO

We were never a democracy. Lucky for you we don't get rid of all the commies and fascists or you would be gone

Barbancon

We let too many commies, anarchists, and left wing radicals into the country in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

These foreign criminals took over our institutions with help from the new world order bankers, their ‘democrat party’, and now they’ve opened the borders to cancel out all of our votes.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Web, In every listing of democracy by country, the United States , even today is near the head of the list. for the over 200 years of existence the United States has been recognized as the leading democracy in the wester world.

Now, because you hate the connection to the word Democrat, you and those like you insist it was all a never happened..

Do you think for one second you will find enough fools to agree with you and make something of it??

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Barb, bet you have no idea what countries led the immigration to the US in that time period.

As a clue , many spock Norwegian and other Scandinavian languages. also eastern European and Mediterranean.

And you know the same BS was said about all those fine people as is said today about the wetbacks and others that you so fear..

Try and tell us one true bit of information..

Considering that the voting idea is far past only BS, what is it you so fear about Immigrants? with our lack of workers, jobs going begging and so many Americans not willing to work for the conditions and pay offered by some jobs... Why do you fear them???

WEBCO

Sorry perm, the US is a democratic republic, not a democracy. Always has been.

Our founding fathers were smart enough to understand that a "democracy" always leads to destruction. In a "democracy" the minority would have no rights.

I hope that there are enough intelligent people to explain to the fools that we aren't, and never were, a democracy.

Barbancon

A kicking donkey is the symbol of the democrats because they are generally stubborn, violent, and stupid.

The word ‘democracy’ (greek: demos = mob kratia = rule) doesn’t appear anywhere in our founding documents.

On the contrary, the US constitution -the highest law of the land - legally defines our form of government as ‘republican’ and guarantees to all the states a ‘republican’ form of government. That is THE definitive definition, and it is legally binding.

Anyone that says ‘our democracy’ is lying, strictly speaking. What they are doing is using the term colloquially as meaning somewhere you can vote for your government representatives but since you can do that in any one party dictatorship it’s meaningless in addition to inaccurate and they should really stop doing it. Just say ‘our republic’.

The framers designed our government specifically to prevent democracy which all political philosophers from Aristotle to Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, Hancock, Washington, Adams, and Jefferson agreed was the worst of all forms of government.

They gave us a constitutionally limited federal republic with an elective monarchy.

Why aren’t we a democracy? Because in a democracy the majority can violate everyone else’s rights. So, the Bill of Rights prevents anyone including the government or a majority of the people from that. The US constitution makes democracy impossible because democracy is the worst possible form of government.

The house of representatives can’t just pass whatever laws they want. They have to be ratified by the Senate so there’s your first bulwark against democracy. Then they have to be signed by the elective monarch that we call a president so there’s your second bulwark against democracy. The third bulwark against democracy is the Supreme Court’s power to strike down any unconstitutional law (like Roe v Wade).

Even if 100% of the voters wanted to ban free speech it could not legally be done because that is a constitutionally guaranteed right. Our law stands above your democratic mob.

it should be clear by now that we are a constitutionally limited republic with 3 powerful bulwarks specifically designed as a check against democracy (mob rule), and designed to protect our liberties and property from the mob (democrats).

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

web, did you take a slow pill today or do truly not know that a Democratic republic as we are , is a democracy? At least in the way we are organized..

And another point, the founding fathers never said a Democracy would or did lead to destruction..

that is simply one more lie you have been told in order to have you battle the values which our nation has held for 200 and more years..

Any discussion of forms of Government will become very complicated.. so what the world calls us: a democracy, is the point which matters on the world stage..


A democratic republic is a form of government operating on principles adopted from a republic and a democracy. As a cross between two entirely separate systems, democratic republics may function on principles shared by both republics and democracies.

Democratic republic - Wikipedia


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/yes-constitution-democracy/616949/

‘America Is a Republic, Not a Democracy’ Is a Dangerous—And Wrong—Argument
Enabling sustained minority rule at the national level is not a feature of our constitutional design, but a perversion of it.

By George Thomas

Dependent on a minority of the population to hold national power, Republicans such as Senator Mike Lee of Utah have taken to reminding the public that “we’re not a democracy.” It is quaint that so many Republicans, embracing a president who routinely tramples constitutional norms, have suddenly found their voice in pointing out that, formally, the country is a republic. There is some truth to this insistence. But it is mostly disingenuous. The Constitution was meant to foster a complex form of majority rule, not enable minority rule.

The founding generation was deeply skeptical of what it called “pure” democracy and defended the American experiment as “wholly republican.” To take this as a rejection of democracy misses how the idea of government by the people, including both a democracy and a republic, was understood when the Constitution was drafted and ratified. It misses, too, how we understand the idea of democracy today.

A nice spot on my favorite Minnesota lake..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Barb. Everything in your post is wrong.. the Donkey was used as a symbol for the party which worked for the workers and farmers of America, not the rich..

Much of the language used was because the founding fathers , great as they were, wanted a country for the wealthy, not the common man.. hence the use of "republic" rather then "democracy"...

Remember , the founding fathers were the wealthy and elite of the colony..

You should do a quick read of the Atlantic article I linked in my reply to barb.. also follow some of the related links. A lot of information not delivered in basic civics 101..

Barbancon

Permafrost: here’s a quote you said didn’t exist

“Democracy has never been and can never be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy, but while it lasts it is more bloody than either.

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.

There never has been a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” - John Adams

I could post similar quotes from the rest of the founders, but consider yourself refuted.

The legal definition of the form of government of the United States of America is given in the US constitution as republican, it was designed to prevent mob rule.

Democracy is evil because it destroys civilizations and nations faster than any other type of givernment. It is literally mob rule. Name one ancient democracy. You can’t do it because they all quickly ended in violence, tyranny, then collapse.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Barb, it would help a great deal if you supplied links to the source of your information rather then simply claim via quotations.. without back up it is simply hearsay..

But more of an issue to me is your clear negativity toward the country I would think you live in..

OK.. so you do not like the United States or the form of government.. I would very much like you to leave. we have more then the required number of reprobates as it is .. you going away would be a pleasant event..

Back to your dislike for the term Democracy.. the very word brings out the rejection you feel toward the United States of America.. one of the leading world Democracies on any list you can find..

it seems you have real hate for this land of mine , or it is simply the name connections that drives you to such extreme lengths..

If you can not accept the worlds opinion of our government, you should at least make solid examples to show why that is how you feel..

I see my country as one of the finest to ever grace the earth.. and few can find meaningful fault with it..

The United States could not be considered a truly popular government until the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which required equal citizenship for black Americans. But this triumph was based on the insistence of a generation of founders for what they later called democracy.

Old but so very apt...