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May 1, 2022 18:11:34   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Goodness, that sounds so reasonable. It IS reasonable, and probably should be discussed and potentially implemented...by actually setting aside funds for that purpose, and carefully tried in a few places.
Unfortunately, that is NOT what DEFUND THE POLICE was proposed to be. It was a direct attack on the police departments to try and blame cops for all the bad things that happened in poverty prone neighborhoods, and to address that supposed 'problem' by reducing their forces and their presence in those neighborhoods.
We were right here when all that came out Dashy, and was demanded by the left wing lunatics. We heard and read what the BLM and Antifa activits were saying. We saw the Democrat city councils in California, Oregon, Washington state, and numerous Democrat lead cities jump on the defunding band wagon, saw them oversee massive reduction in police personnel and funding, and we've seen the results. Experienced and good cops retiring or leaving the force in mass. Violent crime skyrocketing. Response time increased and cops in danger with no back up available.
There was no 'misunderstanding'. There was no 'unfortunate' name assigned to the goal. BLM, Antifa, and all the violent criminals got exactly what they wanted.
Now, integrating social workers with police is an idea worth considering, but you need to get some conservatives to develop a plan that will work, since liberals have no idea how....they just assume that they MUST be experts, and jump in without thinking, as the DEFUND THE POLICE fiasco proves.
Just be warned....unless the social workers are backed by good guys with guns, the social workers will experience a very high attrition rate.
Goodness, that sounds so reasonable. It IS reason... (show quote)


Yet two years later and here we are with the subject as far as developing assistant programs gone in the wind, however the money was certainly eliminated from the budgets with significant undue pressure applied to the police officers which caused them to question their own safety in that high high level stress position to begin with…

One thing I’ve advocated for for a long time since I have a number of family members who are either retired police officers or still on the force is if a policeman get injured they get medical treatment, however, if they begin to have a psychological difference over their job that is not recognized they go on without getting help. Eventually it will cause them to snap or at least become jaded by their every day affairs with these criminals…Just as there are annual physicals there should be an annual spot check to their psychological profile as well. Not because they are insane or doing anything wrong but because an occasional check in how they are dealing with all of they have to deal with is germane to the benefit of their job…Just include it in their required annual physical..

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May 1, 2022 18:25:47   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
EmilyD wrote:
So "redirecting funds" away from the police is different from "defunding them"? Whatever label you want to give it, or way you want to spin it, the bottom line is that the police will have less funding, and therefore there will be fewer police.

And apparently you think there are too many police around because a lot of them are "wasting their time" on mental health and domestic dispute problems? What??? Those type of "problems" can be the most violent of them all!! And you think social workers can take care of them??????
So "redirecting funds" away from the pol... (show quote)


Right on point!!

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May 1, 2022 18:26:47   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
4430 wrote:
yep spot on


Unfortunate isn’t it 4430???

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May 1, 2022 18:27:52   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Justice101 wrote:
There were two young policemen that were shot and killed in NYC (not long ago) while on a domestic dispute call. Police officers from all over came to attend the funerals at St. Patrick's Cathedral. So very sad for their young widows and families.


I read about that while there was barely any media coverage of it…

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May 1, 2022 18:30:50   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Goodness, that sounds so reasonable. It IS reasonable, and probably should be discussed and potentially implemented...by actually setting aside funds for that purpose, and carefully tried in a few places.
Unfortunately, that is NOT what DEFUND THE POLICE was proposed to be. It was a direct attack on the police departments to try and blame cops for all the bad things that happened in poverty prone neighborhoods, and to address that supposed 'problem' by reducing their forces and their presence in those neighborhoods.
We were right here when all that came out Dashy, and was demanded by the left wing lunatics. We heard and read what the BLM and Antifa activits were saying. We saw the Democrat city councils in California, Oregon, Washington state, and numerous Democrat lead cities jump on the defunding band wagon, saw them oversee massive reduction in police personnel and funding, and we've seen the results. Experienced and good cops retiring or leaving the force in mass. Violent crime skyrocketing. Response time increased and cops in danger with no back up available.
There was no 'misunderstanding'. There was no 'unfortunate' name assigned to the goal. BLM, Antifa, and all the violent criminals got exactly what they wanted.
Now, integrating social workers with police is an idea worth considering, but you need to get some conservatives to develop a plan that will work, since liberals have no idea how....they just assume that they MUST be experts, and jump in without thinking, as the DEFUND THE POLICE fiasco proves.
Just be warned....unless the social workers are backed by good guys with guns, the social workers will experience a very high attrition rate.
Goodness, that sounds so reasonable. It IS reason... (show quote)


Even in the company of that police officer who will be with them. One or two of them wind up dead and they will once again be “reevaluating.” Not to mention having that extremely unfortunate incident show what these police officers are up against every day…

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May 1, 2022 18:50:43   #
Bevvy
 
DASHY wrote:
While Governor DeSantis was signing the "Don't Say Gay" law, the Shady Hills kids standing next to him were wondering: Why can't we say GAY? What the heck is LGBTQ anyway? I wonder if it is OK for me to ask my teacher.https://apnews.com/article/florida-dont-say-gay-law-signed-56aee61f075a12663f25990c7b31624d


Be sure , when you are in Florida , not to say Gay . But you may say sodomite

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May 1, 2022 21:07:24   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
Bevvy wrote:
Be sure , when you are in Florida , not to say Gay . But you may say sodomite


Sodomite, 14th century term for rump ranger.🤣

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May 1, 2022 21:25:34   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
youngwilliam wrote:
Sodomite, 14th century term for rump ranger.🤣


rump ranger now that's a new description

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May 2, 2022 12:29:47   #
DASHY
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Goodness, that sounds so reasonable. It IS reasonable, and probably should be discussed and potentially implemented...by actually setting aside funds for that purpose, and carefully tried in a few places.
Unfortunately, that is NOT what DEFUND THE POLICE was proposed to be. It was a direct attack on the police departments to try and blame cops for all the bad things that happened in poverty prone neighborhoods, and to address that supposed 'problem' by reducing their forces and their presence in those neighborhoods.
We were right here when all that came out Dashy, and was demanded by the left wing lunatics. We heard and read what the BLM and Antifa activits were saying. We saw the Democrat city councils in California, Oregon, Washington state, and numerous Democrat lead cities jump on the defunding band wagon, saw them oversee massive reduction in police personnel and funding, and we've seen the results. Experienced and good cops retiring or leaving the force in mass. Violent crime skyrocketing. Response time increased and cops in danger with no back up available.
There was no 'misunderstanding'. There was no 'unfortunate' name assigned to the goal. BLM, Antifa, and all the violent criminals got exactly what they wanted.
Now, integrating social workers with police is an idea worth considering, but you need to get some conservatives to develop a plan that will work, since liberals have no idea how....they just assume that they MUST be experts, and jump in without thinking, as the DEFUND THE POLICE fiasco proves.
Just be warned....unless the social workers are backed by good guys with guns, the social workers will experience a very high attrition rate.
Goodness, that sounds so reasonable. It IS reason... (show quote)


I don't think anybody is blaming cops for crimes in poverty neighborhoods. Cops don't cause crime. Of course, a well developed plan by Public Safety departments needs to be put in place before policy change is implemented. When you say "conservatives" should develop a plan, that is code for "conservatives will never accept a plan proposed by liberals." Liberals and conservatives should get together to develop a plan that has a chance of working. Are "violent crimes skyrocketing" because new policies failed or because old policing methods are not working anymore?

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May 2, 2022 12:35:14   #
cbpat1
 
They don’t know any adults. Adults aren’t allowed to play in the same sandbox..

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May 2, 2022 12:36:02   #
DASHY
 
lindajoy wrote:
Even in the company of that police officer who will be with them. One or two of them wind up dead and they will once again be “reevaluating.” Not to mention having that extremely unfortunate incident show what these police officers are up against every day…


If "violent crimes are skyrocketing" with cops and criminals winding up dead, wouldn't this be a good time to "reevaluate" how we conduct our public safety operations and how to make the best use of existing resources?

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May 2, 2022 13:18:44   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
DASHY wrote:
I don't think anybody is blaming cops for crimes in poverty neighborhoods. Cops don't cause crime. Of course, a well developed plan by Public Safety departments needs to be put in place before policy change is implemented. When you say "conservatives" should develop a plan, that is code for "conservatives will never accept a plan proposed by liberals." Liberals and conservatives should get together to develop a plan that has a chance of working. Are "violent crimes skyrocketing" because new policies failed or because old policing methods are not working anymore?
I don't think anybody is blaming cops for crimes i... (show quote)


Dashy, I do not use 'code'. Ever. I say exactly what I mean. I misspeak occasionally, but I correct it quickly and openly, NO CODE. Maybe I should explain my remark. Modern day liberals are incapable of planning anything, because to them, the ONLY thing that matters is gaining and retaining political power. All of Biden's policies, for example, are calculated for maximum political effect, and nothing else. Whether they work or not is immaterial to the progressive liberal.
THAT is why conservatives need to be in charge of such a plan. With them, the primary goal is for the policy to work. Not just get rousing support from the left even as it collapses. Think Afghanistan. Think the southern 'secured' border. Think our economy and our bidenflation. Claiming a victory lap after falling flat on your face is all these liberal administrations seem able to do.

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May 2, 2022 13:25:07   #
Big Bass
 
DASHY wrote:
If "violent crimes are skyrocketing" with cops and criminals winding up dead, wouldn't this be a good time to "reevaluate" how we conduct our public safety operations and how to make the best use of existing resources?


“Defund the police” is certainly not the answer.

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May 2, 2022 13:25:38   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
DASHY wrote:
If "violent crimes are skyrocketing" with cops and criminals winding up dead, wouldn't this be a good time to "reevaluate" how we conduct our public safety operations and how to make the best use of existing resources?


No, Dashy. The time for that is AFTER we bring back enough cops to control things and end the violence. Duh. Are you going to be the one to go into Harlem or south Chicago and tell them that the estimate of an additional 3% killed in the next year will not have died in vain? After all, folks, that year will buy us time to evaluate the feasibility of forming a committee to discuss goals and objectives for a new policy we are considering developing. So be patient with us.

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May 2, 2022 13:27:39   #
EmilyD
 
DASHY wrote:
I don't think anybody is blaming cops for crimes in poverty neighborhoods. Cops don't cause crime. Of course, a well developed plan by Public Safety departments needs to be put in place before policy change is implemented. When you say "conservatives" should develop a plan, that is code for "conservatives will never accept a plan proposed by liberals." Liberals and conservatives should get together to develop a plan that has a chance of working. Are "violent crimes skyrocketing" because new policies failed or because old policing methods are not working anymore?
I don't think anybody is blaming cops for crimes i... (show quote)


"Old policing methods"? What would those be? And if the police are not available and equipped to handle violent crimes that are skyrocketing, who is?? Social workers???

If Republicans and Democrats can agree on how to police our criminals, it might work out, true, but when would that ever happen? They have opposite ideals! Republicans want criminals to serve out their sentences. Democrats don't....at least not for any decent lengths of time. How can both of those things be solved together??

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