One Political Plaza - Home of politics
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Check out topic: border illegals who got away
Main
So I see many here on OPP think nuclear war is survivable.
Page <<first <prev 9 of 18 next> last>>
Mar 22, 2022 18:37:16   #
martsiva
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
From what I've read on this thread I have a few questions:

1. No matter who wins in the invasion of Ukraine by Putin's Russia, Putin is still guilty of war crimes if nothing else firing on civilians. How does the citizens of Ukraine hold Putin responsible for the war crimes in the world court?

2. If we appease Putin. And give him Ukraine, is that like giving Germany Poland during WWII?

3. If Putin was going to use nuclear arms why hasn't he done so already?

4. In the past, after the fall of the USSR, the west ensured that they would defend Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons. They did so. So how many Ukrainian lives must perish until the west intervenes?

5. World War III had already started. How do you wish to win this war?
From what I've read on this thread I have a few qu... (show quote)


Your source that Putin fired on civilians when we have seen a video of Ukrainians saying that Ukrainian troops fired on them? I agree that if Putin was going to use nuclear weapons he would have done so by now. Do does that mean the US should use them first?? No WWIII has not started since this is was between 2 countries. If we intervene then it will be WWWIII with nukes!!

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 18:39:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
martsiva wrote:
Your source that Putin fired on civilians when we have seen a video of Ukrainians saying that Ukrainian troops fired on them? I agree that if Putin was going to use nuclear weapons he would have done so by now. Do does that mean the US should use them first?? No WWIII has not started since this is was between 2 countries. If we intervene then it will be WWWIII with nukes!!


Strangely, I think Biden understands that. I'm astounded!!

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 18:43:52   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Or never.


That's called theft...

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 18:45:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
The deaths started at the creation of the CCP which is where the civil war started. Now we are arguing semantics. After the establishment of the UN war crimes were processed.

Nevertheless what good is living under Putin's rule? Patrick Henry once said give me liberty or give me death....the Ukrainians are saying the same today. Bu are not just saying that they are living that.

If you think Putin would be so stupid to launch a weapon that kills everyone, then you really do not understand.how a bully works. Billy's threaten everything under the sun to intimidate, and never do what they threaten.

So if we send support to Ukraine, Russia will begin to get put into a corner. And between his people and the west, he will lose all power and support but it should happen now.

Remember we went into Iraq because Saddam invaded Kuwait. We can go into Russia based upon the rules of war.

Why are we reluctant to do so? Besides how old do you think the nukes are? Will they work? Has it been verified? Putin is playing in a game of poker.....whose going to flinch first?
The deaths started at the creation of the CCP whic... (show quote)


You know nothing of Chinese history...

Putin won't use nukes unless Russia is threatened...

America hasn't fought a war against an equal in three generations...

Russia isn't a third world wimp...

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 18:47:39   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Strangely, I think Biden understands that. I'm astounded!!


He's had enough time in politics to understand it...

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 20:30:08   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
That's called theft...


Like Tibet.

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 20:37:17   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Like Tibet.


No... That's reclamation...

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 20:38:50   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
No... That's reclamation...


BULL SHIT! I think Taiwan should reclaim China.

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 20:50:32   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
BULL SHIT! I think Taiwan should reclaim China.


Learn your history...

Map of Qing Dynasty...

Tibet has been a part of China for centuries...

All they did was reclaim it after the second world War...



Reply
Mar 22, 2022 20:56:14   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Learn your history...

Map of Qing Dynasty...

Tibet has been a part of China for centuries...

All they did was reclaim it after the second world War...


And Alexander conquered the world so Macedonia should be able to reclaim the entire west. If we hadn't gone to war against Japan your asses would be speaking Japanese right now.

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 21:10:54   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
And Alexander conquered the world so Macedonia should be able to reclaim the entire west. If we hadn't gone to war against Japan your asses would be speaking Japanese right now.


Actually, it was mostly the Soviets who fought off the Japanese on China...

America was responsible more for South East Asia... Certainly required Japan to divert a lot of resources from China....

A group effort... But it wasn't until later in the war that American forces entered China...

You supplied a lot of weapons to the Kuomintang... That helped...Although they spent a lot of time fighting the communists rather than the Japs...

Reply
Check out topic: NATO chief allies with gays
Mar 22, 2022 21:11:16   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
You know nothing of Chinese history...

Putin won't use nukes unless Russia is threatened...

America hasn't fought a war against an equal in three generations...

Russia isn't a third world wimp...


The United States nor the EU nor NATO should not use nuclear weapons. If the United States, the EU, or NATO gives the Ukrainians what they request, and we let the Ukrainians defend themselves that is not starting World War III. The war has already begun, it's just a matter of how it will end. There are American casualties already in this war.

Russia fired upon journalists from America as well as the BBC. With that being said, when did the west murder journalists when they were reporting the news?

Whether or not you deny it, or whether or not you accept it, but we are in World War III, right now.

It is true that Putin is no Saddam Hussein, but a murderer he is nonetheless. Putin has gotten away with atrocities which Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump did not address fully. From Clinton to Trump our leaders were more afraid of terrorists than Putin. The only time the Democrats were afraid of Putin, is when the Clinton campaign charged Trump with a false accusation of Russian collusion.

Trump stood strongly against Putin but if you remember the Democrats tried to undermine Trump. This empowering Putin.

Zelenskyy is correct. War is here. And it is against an old enemy...Russia. And not the USSR. Remember the Soviets are no more.

Putin is playing the west in a game of poker. Who has the greatest bluff? The west or Russia? China is watching...

Shakespeare said all is fair in love and war. Therefore, nuclear war is fair game. But it doesn't have to come to that! But as nuclear war is fair so is the loss of civilian lives. Since Putin made it so, it would be prudent to strike Russia but strike through the Ukrainians no American life no western lives, should perish.

With that being said, if Russia fired nukes we fire EKV's. The EKV is capable of taking out the nuke missiles.

NATO and the United States should protect against nuclear war. But not at the cost of innocent life.

How long will free nations allow this indiscriminate killing to continue? The mission here is to save Ukraine not to invade Russia!

Even France came to the side of the founding fathers during the American revolution! Why can't we support Ukraine? This would be the right thing to do. And at this point in time, I am not worried about China. Xi will back off if Putin loses. But Xi will take out Taiwan if Ukraine loses.

Then whose next? Iran? But if Ukraine loses, then all three countries will invade all of us. China has already begun it's involvement in this conflict...however China seems to be holding a sense of neutrality.

I understand this is scary....so we should stop it now!

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 21:13:41   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Actually, it was mostly the Soviets who fought off the Japanese on China...

America was responsible more for South East Asia... Certainly required Japan to divert a lot of resources from China....

A group effort... But it wasn't until later in the war that American forces entered China...

You supplied a lot of weapons to the Kuomintang... That helped...Although they spent a lot of time fighting the communists rather than the Japs...


And therefore you are not speaking Japanese. Or Russian.

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 21:21:11   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
And therefore you are not speaking Japanese. Or Russian.


Correct... Speaking Mandarin...

Although Russian was the second language in my province for decades....

Reply
Mar 22, 2022 21:22:27   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
The United States nor the EU nor NATO should not use nuclear weapons. If the United States, the EU, or NATO gives the Ukrainians what they request, and we let the Ukrainians defend themselves that is not starting World War III. The war has already begun, it's just a matter of how it will end. There are American casualties already in this war.

Russia fired upon journalists from America as well as the BBC. With that being said, when did the west murder journalists when they were reporting the news?

Whether or not you deny it, or whether or not you accept it, but we are in World War III, right now.

It is true that Putin is no Saddam Hussein, but a murderer he is nonetheless. Putin has gotten away with atrocities which Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump did not address fully. From Clinton to Trump our leaders were more afraid of terrorists than Putin. The only time the Democrats were afraid of Putin, is when the Clinton campaign charged Trump with a false accusation of Russian collusion.

Trump stood strongly against Putin but if you remember the Democrats tried to undermine Trump. This empowering Putin.

Zelenskyy is correct. War is here. And it is against an old enemy...Russia. And not the USSR. Remember the Soviets are no more.

Putin is playing the west in a game of poker. Who has the greatest bluff? The west or Russia? China is watching...

Shakespeare said all is fair in love and war. Therefore, nuclear war is fair game. But it doesn't have to come to that! But as nuclear war is fair so is the loss of civilian lives. Since Putin made it so, it would be prudent to strike Russia but strike through the Ukrainians no American life no western lives, should perish.

With that being said, if Russia fired nukes we fire EKV's. The EKV is capable of taking out the nuke missiles.

NATO and the United States should protect against nuclear war. But not at the cost of innocent life.

How long will free nations allow this indiscriminate killing to continue? The mission here is to save Ukraine not to invade Russia!

Even France came to the side of the founding fathers during the American revolution! Why can't we support Ukraine? This would be the right thing to do. And at this point in time, I am not worried about China. Xi will back off if Putin loses. But Xi will take out Taiwan if Ukraine loses.

Then whose next? Iran? But if Ukraine loses, then all three countries will invade all of us. China has already begun it's involvement in this conflict...however China seems to be holding a sense of neutrality.

I understand this is scary....so we should stop it now!
The United States nor the EU nor NATO should not ... (show quote)


Not really scary...

Fantasy rarely is...

Although I must admit Lovecraft has some frightening works...

Reply
Page <<first <prev 9 of 18 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2024 IDF International Technologies, Inc.