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Mar 22, 2022 01:22:27   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Who controls the reactor(s) now?


Russia... They're up and running again...

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Mar 22, 2022 01:23:33   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The UN rejected your case...
Hundreds of thousands of civilians died...
Cities were absolutely fired upon and destroyed..
Saddam was executed by Americans...
You might be entitled to some compensation for whatever chemical agent messed up your head...
* During his reign, Saddam Hussein's executioners murdered over a quarter million Iraqi citizens, 5000 of whom were killed by chemical weapons. Saddam personally executed over a dozen.

* During the 1st Gulf War, Saddam's troops set fire to 700 oil wells, spilling 60 million barrels of oil, and creating an environmental disaster. Over ten million cubic metres of soil was still contaminated as late as 1998. A major groundwater aquifer, two fifths of Kuwait's entire freshwater reserve, remains contaminated to this day. Ten million barrels of oil were released into the Gulf, affecting 1500km of coastline and costing more than $700 million to clean up. During the nine months that the wells burned, average air temperatures fell by 10 degrees C as a result of reduced light from the sun. The costs of environmental damage were estimated at $40 billion.

* The Iraqi Interim government, following Iraqi national law, reopened the Iraqi Special Tribunal over which 5 Iraqi Judges presided. It is the only court of its kind in the 21st century in which crimes against humanity are punished by death.

* This tribunal tried Saddam Hussein, Ali Hassan al-Majid (also known as "Chemical Ali"), former Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan, former deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz and other former senior officials in the deposed Ba'athist regime. Saddam was sentenced to death and, on December 30, 2006, the execution was carried out at an Iraqi army base in Kazimain, a neighborhood of north-east Baghdad.

Ali Hassan al-Majid received five death sentences for genocide, crimes against humanity (specifically willful killing, forced disappearances and extermination), and war crimes (intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population). He was also sentenced to multiple prison terms ranging from seven years to life for other crimes. In the event, al-Majid received 8 death sentences, and was hanged on January 25, 2010.

Taha Yassin Ramadan (a ruthless SOB) was hanged on March 20, 2007.

Tariq Aziz died in prison of heart failure.

"War is hell!"
WTS

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we should grow too fond of it."
R.E. Lee

Has there ever been a war or even a major battle fought in which no civilians or other non-combatants were killed?
I can think of one.

Is there really such a thing as a surgical weapon that kills only combatants?
Maybe a collateral damage avoidance bomb?


By what standard do you justify your support for and defense of brutal dictators and world class thugs?



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Mar 22, 2022 01:25:24   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
* During his reign, Saddam Hussein's executioners murdered over a quarter million Iraqi citizens, 5000 of whom were killed by chemical weapons. Saddam personally executed over a dozen.

* During the 1st Gulf War, Saddam's troops set fire to 700 oil wells, spilling 60 million barrels of oil, and creating an environmental disaster. Over ten million cubic metres of soil was still contaminated as late as 1998. A major groundwater aquifer, two fifths of Kuwait's entire freshwater reserve, remains contaminated to this day. Ten million barrels of oil were released into the Gulf, affecting 1500km of coastline and costing more than $700 million to clean up. During the nine months that the wells burned, average air temperatures fell by 10 degrees C as a result of reduced light from the sun. The costs of environmental damage were estimated at $40 billion.

* The Iraqi Interim government, following Iraqi national law, reopened the Iraqi Special Tribunal over which 5 Iraqi Judges presided. It is the only court of its kind in the 21st century in which crimes against humanity are punished by death.

* This tribunal tried Saddam Hussein, Ali Hassan al-Majid (also known as "Chemical Ali"), former Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan, former deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz and other former senior officials in the deposed Ba'athist regime. Saddam was sentenced to death and, on December 30, 2006, the execution was carried out at an Iraqi army base in Kazimain, a neighborhood of north-east Baghdad.

Ali Hassan al-Majid received five death sentences for genocide, crimes against humanity (specifically willful killing, forced disappearances and extermination), and war crimes (intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population). He was also sentenced to multiple prison terms ranging from seven years to life for other crimes. In the event, al-Majid received 8 death sentences, and was hanged on January 25, 2010.

Taha Yassin Ramadan (a ruthless SOB) was hanged on March 20, 2007.

Tariq Aziz died in prison of heart failure.

"War is hell!"
WTS

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we should grow too fond of it."
R.E. Lee

Has there ever been a war or even a major battle fought in which no civilians or other non-combatants were killed?
I can think of one.

Is there really such a thing as a surgical weapon that kills only combatants?
Maybe a collateral damage avoidance bomb?


By what standard do you justify your support for and defense of brutal dictators and world class thugs?
* During his reign, Saddam Hussein's executioners ... (show quote)


Was the last part directed at me??

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Mar 22, 2022 01:38:44   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Was the last part directed at me??
Obviously.

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Mar 22, 2022 03:44:11   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Obviously.


No...You italicize it like the quotes...Wasn't obvious... Thanks for clarifying...

You consider them thugs...
I consider the US a thug...
Quite a few Western nations are rather thuggish...
I support nationalism...
Not globalism..
It's that simple...

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Mar 22, 2022 05:09:24   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
No...You italicize it like the quotes...Wasn't obvious... Thanks for clarifying...

You consider them thugs...
I consider the US a thug...
Quite a few Western nations are rather thuggish...
I support nationalism...
Not globalism..
It's that simple...
Text with quotation marks means it is a quote;
text without quotation marks means it is a comment or statement, or, if there is a question mark at the end, a question;
the italics are irrelevant, they simply apply emphasis.

I know you consider "murica" a thug, most often to the exclusion of criticizing, or even recognizing, the thuggery of Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, and many others - not to mention Germany and Japan.



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Mar 22, 2022 05:21:57   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Text with quotation marks means it is a quote;
text without quotation marks means it is a comment or statement, or, if there is a question mark at the end, a question;
the italics are irrelevant, they simply apply emphasis.

I know you consider "murica" a thug, most often to the exclusion of criticizing, or even recognizing, the thuggery of Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, and many others - not to mention Germany and Japan.


Lots of thugs...

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Mar 22, 2022 07:28:23   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Who controls the reactor(s) now?


The people who built them.

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Mar 22, 2022 09:01:38   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Probably true. But with our subs in place and with their given abilities, I don't see the point. Seems like Putin would use something like that to take out Zelensky, but then that would make him a martyr.


Being a martyr gets another point of his history book perhaps?

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Mar 22, 2022 09:05:46   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
Being a martyr gets another point of his history book perhaps?


History is going to lie about Ukraine anyway, just like our media is doing right now.

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Mar 22, 2022 09:12:22   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
You don't remember right...

The UN was established in 1945...

Mao's China was established in 1949...

You can find this information in books and online...


I was right Mao China established in 1921. Now you make me sound like the monkey in lion king....wrong again....hehehe

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Mar 22, 2022 09:20:19   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
I was right Mao China established in 1921. Now you make me sound like the monkey in lion king....wrong again....hehehe


This before the creation of the UN. Thus, your point about communist china's founding and the UN were totally false.

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Mar 22, 2022 10:02:55   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
This before the creation of the UN. Thus, your point about communist china's founding and the UN were totally false.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=whendidmaoruleoverchina&cvid=c3540008381f4b5c98fb40fd0491e660&aqs=edge..69i57.15163j0j4&FORM=ANAB01&PC=HCTS

Excerpt: "Mao Zedong led communist forces in China through a long revolution beginning in 1927 and ruled the nation’s communist government from its establishment in 1949. Along with Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin, Mao is considered one of the most significant communist figures of the Cold War."

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Mar 22, 2022 10:37:47   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Not to mention they think they know Putin, what he will and won't do. Or that they think we should strike first.. or join a war (because we are soo brave and soo willing to die for freedom) and provoke a nuclear strike from Russia. Well, that is what Zelensky wants! Oh yes, he wants us in it just like ISIS wanted us at war with Russia. You haven't forgotten that, have ya?

Once it starts, will it stop short of taking us back to the stone age with only about ten percent of us left, all being slowly eaten by radioactive fall out???

This idea that we need to take on Putin full strength right now is fool hardy, to say the least.

In nuclear war, the true enemy, is war itself. (From a movie I can't remember the name of, spoken by Denzel Washington)
Not to mention they think they know Putin, what he... (show quote)


nwtk, My understanding is that if more than forty thermonuclear devices went off in the atmosphere, it would cause nuclear winter in which massive death of all plants, and those animals that eat plants, and finally those animals that eat the flesh of herbivores. What kind of question is this. In a thermonuclear war, the survivors will be the unlucky ones.
Nobody wants a full nuclear exchange! Not Zelensky or any body else. My bet is that Zelensky believes that Russia wouldn't do anything that stupid. I think Zelensky is right, but who knows?

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Mar 22, 2022 10:42:38   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
You don't remember right...

The UN was established in 1945...

Mao's China was established in 1949...

You can find this information in books and online...


If that's the case then Britain should have never returned Hong Kong to China since the agreement to lease for 99 years was never made with the Communist government.

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