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Mar 21, 2022 21:56:38   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
And how did that work out for Poland?


They became racists!

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Mar 21, 2022 21:57:54   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Turtle keeper wrote:
Once you mentioned USSR & Germany I seem to remember something like that.
I don’t have any family left and I’m in my 70’s so I sure can’t go help.


Stay strong...

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Mar 21, 2022 21:59:19   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
1. No matter who wins in the invasion of Ukraine by Putin's Russia, Putin is still guilty of war crimes if nothing else firing on civilians. How does the citizens of Ukraine hold Putin responsible for the war crimes in the world court?

How do the citizens of Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Palestine, and numerous other nations hold the US responsible for its war crimes???? Answer that and you can answer your question....

2. If we appease Putin. And give him Ukraine, is that like giving Germany Poland during WWII?

No... Germany wasn't threatened by an alliance that was engaging in a military buildup on its borders... Also, Poland was never given to Germany, you're thinking of other nations, Poland was invaded by Germany and the USSR, which kicked off the Second World War...
Russia invading the Ukraine is quite different


3. If Putin was going to use nuclear arms why hasn't he done so already?

Because he doesn't want to have a nuclear war... He doesn't even want to destroy the Ukraine...
Nuclear weapons are simply being used as a deterrent against the West to guarantee they won't attack Russia...

4. In the past, after the fall of the USSR, the west ensured that they would defend Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons. They did so. So how many Ukrainian lives must perish until the west intervenes?


This is incorrect...The promise wasn't to defend, it was for non interference in the Ukraine... Politically, militarily and economically...
The US broke this promise in 2014...

5. World War III had already started. How do you wish to win this war?

On the side that is fighting for nationalism and individual nationhood... Not on the side that is corrupt and pushing globalism...
1. No matter who wins in the invasion of Ukraine b... (show quote)


You are completely wrong on every single answer you gave to my questions. The answer to the first question is totally incorrect. The United States has not in any recent history invaded a sovereign country that resulted in generals and commanders killing civilians. Therefore your question is irrelevant. Putin has committed war crimes and needs to be charged with the crime in the world court. Russia is guilty at this point. So we should do nothing? That is ignorant and is cold and callus of you. How can you defend (pick a group) when you will not defend Ukraine?

The second answer is also inaccurate. Germany under Hitler took over Chechslavcia with the blessing of the league of nations. Same was given of Poland a few years later. The United States did nothing. Under Wilson, and Harding they did nothing. Until Roosevelt. The league of nations was against Germany since world war one! And punished Germany for world war one. As a result Hitler damn near took over Europe. Is that what you want Putin to do?

As far as the fourth question, if you were a leader of a country that borders Russia would you give up your nukes? Ukraine asked NATO for help and gave up their nukes. Then NATO does not defend Ukraine. Why should Ukraine believe Europe? Or any NATO country for that matter.

Putin is a bully who threatenes and says things that he doesn't mean. By threatening nuclear war he scares the world. It's working....you are allowing the bully to kill his neighbor. Good call...not!

We are a nuclear country too, we should light up Moscow like the fourth of July if he continues this invasion.

You deflected on the last question as you did on the first. Defection means nothing in this game and actions speak louder than words.

Humanity is seeking justice for the murder of Ukrainians. We should go in.

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Mar 21, 2022 21:59:35   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
And how did that work out for Poland?


The same way it's working out for the Ukraine...

Eastern Poland became strong Russian sympathisers The and Western Poland became Nazis...

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Mar 21, 2022 22:00:39   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
You are completely wrong on every single answer you gave to my questions. The answer to the first question is totally incorrect. The United States has not in any recent history invaded a sovereign country that resulted in generals and commanders killing civilians. Therefore your question is irrelevant. Putin has committed war crimes and needs to be charged with the crime in the world court. Russia is guilty at this point. So we should do nothing? That is ignorant and is cold and callus of you. How can you defend (pick a group) when you will not defend Ukraine?

The second answer is also inaccurate. Germany under Hitler took over Chechslavcia with the blessing of the league of nations. Same was given of Poland a few years later. The United States did nothing. Under Wilson, and Harding they did nothing. Until Roosevelt. The league of nations was against Germany since world war one! And punished Germany for world war one. As a result Hitler damn near took over Europe. Is that what you want Putin to do?

As far as the fourth question, if you were a leader of a country that borders Russia would you give up your nukes? Ukraine asked NATO for help and gave up their nukes. Then NATO does not defend Ukraine. Why should Ukraine believe Europe? Or any NATO country for that matter.

Putin is a bully who threatenes and says things that he doesn't mean. By threatening nuclear war he scares the world. It's working....you are allowing the bully to kill his neighbor. Good call...not!

We are a nuclear country too, we should light up Moscow like the fourth of July if he continues this invasion.

You deflected on the last question as you did on the first. Defection means nothing in this game and actions speak louder than words.

Humanity is seeking justice for the murder of Ukrainians. We should go in.
You are completely wrong on every single answer yo... (show quote)


Your grasp of history is as shaky as your grasp on reality...

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Mar 21, 2022 22:04:59   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
You are completely wrong on every single answer you gave to my questions. The answer to the first question is totally incorrect. The United States has not in any recent history invaded a sovereign country that resulted in generals and commanders killing civilians. Therefore your question is irrelevant. Putin has committed war crimes and needs to be charged with the crime in the world court. Russia is guilty at this point. So we should do nothing? That is ignorant and is cold and callus of you. How can you defend (pick a group) when you will not defend Ukraine?

The second answer is also inaccurate. Germany under Hitler took over Chechslavcia with the blessing of the league of nations. Same was given of Poland a few years later. The United States did nothing. Under Wilson, and Harding they did nothing. Until Roosevelt. The league of nations was against Germany since world war one! And punished Germany for world war one. As a result Hitler damn near took over Europe. Is that what you want Putin to do?

As far as the fourth question, if you were a leader of a country that borders Russia would you give up your nukes? Ukraine asked NATO for help and gave up their nukes. Then NATO does not defend Ukraine. Why should Ukraine believe Europe? Or any NATO country for that matter.

Putin is a bully who threatenes and says things that he doesn't mean. By threatening nuclear war he scares the world. It's working....you are allowing the bully to kill his neighbor. Good call...not!

We are a nuclear country too, we should light up Moscow like the fourth of July if he continues this invasion.

You deflected on the last question as you did on the first. Defection means nothing in this game and actions speak louder than words.

Humanity is seeking justice for the murder of Ukrainians. We should go in.
You are completely wrong on every single answer yo... (show quote)


"The United States has not in any recent history invaded a sovereign country that resulted in generals and commanders killing civilians."

Iraq???

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Mar 21, 2022 22:06:50   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Your grasp of history is as shaky as your grasp on reality...


Your grasp of reality is filled with LSD. My grasp of history is true. So try again....it is apparent that you have not.learned from the past 100 years of history!

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Mar 21, 2022 22:09:48   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Iraq???


We did not invade Iraq without stating our case in the world court. Plus we did not fire on civilians and decimate cities. And it was the Iraqi people who put Saddam Hussein to death. We succeeded with Iraq and I was there during desert storm as well as Iraqi freedom. Try again

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Mar 21, 2022 22:12:18   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
We did not invade Iraq without stating our case in the world court. Plus we did not fire on civilians and decimate cities. And it was the Iraqi people who put Saddam Hussein to death. We succeeded with Iraq and I was there during desert storm as well as Iraqi freedom. Try again


The UN rejected your case...
Hundreds of thousands of civilians died...
Cities were absolutely fired upon and destroyed..
Saddam was executed by Americans...
You might be entitled to some compensation for whatever chemical agent messed up your head...

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Mar 21, 2022 22:14:40   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
We did not invade Iraq without stating our case in the world court. Plus we did not fire on civilians and decimate cities. And it was the Iraqi people who put Saddam Hussein to death. We succeeded with Iraq and I was there during desert storm as well as Iraqi freedom. Try again


Population-based studies produce estimates of the number of Iraq War casualties ranging from 151,000 violent deaths as of June 2006 (per the Iraq Family Health Survey) to 1,033,000 excess deaths (per the 2007 Opinion Research Business (ORB) survey). Other survey-based studies covering different time-spans find 461,000 total deaths (over 60% of them violent) as of June 2011 (per PLOS Medicine 2013), and 655,000 total deaths (over 90% of them violent) as of June 2006 (per the 2006 Lancet study). Body counts counted at least 110,600 violent deaths as of April 2009 (Associated Press).

"The Iraq Body Count project documents 185,000–208,000 violent civilian deaths through February 2020"

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Mar 21, 2022 22:56:20   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The UN rejected your case...
Hundreds of thousands of civilians died...
Cities were absolutely fired upon and destroyed..
Saddam was executed by Americans...
You might be entitled to some compensation for whatever chemical agent messed up your head...


That's a pretty low blow!

The whole world is F***ed up. Mao killed 40 million of his own Chinese citizens. That kind of makes everything pale in comparison.

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Mar 21, 2022 23:20:04   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
That's a pretty low blow!

The whole world is F***ed up. Mao killed 40 million of his own Chinese citizens. That kind of makes everything pale in comparison.


Good point...

Where was the US and the West???

Oh yeah...Sanctioning Mao's China...


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Mar 22, 2022 00:05:38   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good point...

Where was the US and the West???

Oh yeah...Sanctioning Mao's China...



If I remember right Maps china was before the UN was established.

Doesn't count

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Mar 22, 2022 00:35:23   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
If I remember right Maps china was before the UN was established.

Doesn't count


You don't remember right...

The UN was established in 1945...

Mao's China was established in 1949...

You can find this information in books and online...

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Mar 22, 2022 00:42:24   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The reactors were never fired upon...

False story coming from the Ukraine...

Was more than a kilometer away...

Such nonsense...


Who controls the reactor(s) now?

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