Texas A&M rated Biden 6th best president ever
Mar 13, 2022 18:02:48 #
robertv3 wrote:
Per the Original Post, "1. Reagan, Lincoln, and Trump tied for first". It gives you an idea of how worthless the survey respondent's opinions were.
Its an obvious joke.
Mar 13, 2022 18:09:32 #
[quote=robertv3]The earlier post referred to 3 presidents, but after reading I can see that the above reply is about Lincoln.
I had never heard such a thing (and I can see why -- the schools of my time wouldn't want it known). I think it's believable though, because people in earlier times (even Lincoln) didn't know what we know now.
Assuming Lincoln said that, I'm disappointed. Yes it is racist. But no, I would not call him a "huge" racist, because I make an allowance for his ignorance, and for his being a product of his times, and for him having to function within the society in which he existed (even if he were wiser and less ignorant).
So, after assuming he gave that racist speech, what's left of Lincoln to admire? This: Within that same speech are included these remarks: "My understanding is that I can just let her alone." "[I]t seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes." Those remarks by themselves are good, maybe even laudable for his time or taken in context. He also says he will "stand by the law of this State", which is a reasonable thing for him to say (though I think the law was bad). He also said, in the same speech, this sentence which is half good: "I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing." The good part is that the negro would not necessarily have to be denied some things. These excerpts from his speech indicate that Lincoln is far better than the people who would enslave, persecute, or arbitrarily deny rights to others. These factors are worth a lot, and put him at a higher moral footing than many people of today.
So in my opinion the speech shows he had a lot of ignorance (about negroes, anyway) but had the good moral sense to let negroes alone rather than to abuse them (while so many other people of his time were abusing them). This good moral sense (which is worth a lot even in a state of ignorance) is one of the things that made Lincoln a good president for his time. That's my opinion. But if you could ask Lincoln himself about it, he'd probably say that he didn't think much about race and was more interested in other things such as keeping the union together. And that's also true.[/quote]
Excellent analysis 👍👍👍
I had never heard such a thing (and I can see why -- the schools of my time wouldn't want it known). I think it's believable though, because people in earlier times (even Lincoln) didn't know what we know now.
Assuming Lincoln said that, I'm disappointed. Yes it is racist. But no, I would not call him a "huge" racist, because I make an allowance for his ignorance, and for his being a product of his times, and for him having to function within the society in which he existed (even if he were wiser and less ignorant).
So, after assuming he gave that racist speech, what's left of Lincoln to admire? This: Within that same speech are included these remarks: "My understanding is that I can just let her alone." "[I]t seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes." Those remarks by themselves are good, maybe even laudable for his time or taken in context. He also says he will "stand by the law of this State", which is a reasonable thing for him to say (though I think the law was bad). He also said, in the same speech, this sentence which is half good: "I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing." The good part is that the negro would not necessarily have to be denied some things. These excerpts from his speech indicate that Lincoln is far better than the people who would enslave, persecute, or arbitrarily deny rights to others. These factors are worth a lot, and put him at a higher moral footing than many people of today.
So in my opinion the speech shows he had a lot of ignorance (about negroes, anyway) but had the good moral sense to let negroes alone rather than to abuse them (while so many other people of his time were abusing them). This good moral sense (which is worth a lot even in a state of ignorance) is one of the things that made Lincoln a good president for his time. That's my opinion. But if you could ask Lincoln himself about it, he'd probably say that he didn't think much about race and was more interested in other things such as keeping the union together. And that's also true.[/quote]
Excellent analysis 👍👍👍
Mar 13, 2022 18:17:04 #
dtucker300
Loc: Vista, CA
Look everyone, IT'S A JOKE!
Couldn't you tell it was a joke when you first saw it, especially when all the cartoons are attached?
Couldn't you tell it was a joke when you first saw it, especially when all the cartoons are attached?
Mar 13, 2022 18:59:13 #
dtucker300 wrote:
Look everyone, IT'S A JOKE!
Couldn't you tell it was a joke when you first saw it, especially when all the cartoons are attached?
Couldn't you tell it was a joke when you first saw it, especially when all the cartoons are attached?
DTucker…. When you speak …. We listen🙃
Mar 13, 2022 19:09:50 #
[quote=robertv3]The earlier post referred to 3 presidents, but after reading I can see that the above reply is about Lincoln.
I had never heard such a thing (and I can see why -- the schools of my time wouldn't want it known). I think it's believable though, because people in earlier times (even Lincoln) didn't know what we know now.
Assuming Lincoln said that, I'm disappointed. Yes it is racist. But no, I would not call him a "huge" racist, because I make an allowance for his ignorance, and for his being a product of his times, and for him having to function within the society in which he existed (even if he were wiser and less ignorant).
So, after assuming he gave that racist speech, what's left of Lincoln to admire? This: Within that same speech are included these remarks: "My understanding is that I can just let her alone." "[I]t seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes." Those remarks by themselves are good, maybe even laudable for his time or taken in context. He also says he will "stand by the law of this State", which is a reasonable thing for him to say (though I think the law was bad). He also said, in the same speech, this sentence which is half good: "I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing." The good part is that the negro would not necessarily have to be denied some things. These excerpts from his speech indicate that Lincoln is far better than the people who would enslave, persecute, or arbitrarily deny rights to others. These factors are worth a lot, and put him at a higher moral footing than many people of today.
So in my opinion the speech shows he had a lot of ignorance (about negroes, anyway) but had the good moral sense to let negroes alone rather than to abuse them (while so many other people of his time were abusing them). This good moral sense (which is worth a lot even in a state of ignorance) is one of the things that made Lincoln a good president for his time. That's my opinion. But if you could ask Lincoln himself about it, he'd probably say that he didn't think much about race and was more interested in other things such as keeping the union together. And that's also true.[/quote]
There are several good biographies that chronicled his youth. As a young man, the state law required him to live at his parent's home until he reached 23 (as I recall, but could have been 23). He resented his father hiring him and keeping his wages, much like a slave. After he reached the legal age to leave and was able to work and save for himself, he traveled down to the slave states and observed that nearly all the whites were poor and could not compete with the slaves who essentially worked for free for their 'masters' and were abused on so many levels. He returned north with the knowledge that slavery was evil and needed to be abolished.
A lot of education took place after that journey, but the main platform of the newly-formed Republican Party was to abolish slavery and Lincoln was the first Republican president. Perfect? In no way. but certainly opposed to slavery, and that was a start.
I'd like to add that EVERYONE evolves from their youth upward in response to our parents, our education, our circumstances, the news, our exposure to other peoples and we all , I hope, are vastly kinder as a result.
I had never heard such a thing (and I can see why -- the schools of my time wouldn't want it known). I think it's believable though, because people in earlier times (even Lincoln) didn't know what we know now.
Assuming Lincoln said that, I'm disappointed. Yes it is racist. But no, I would not call him a "huge" racist, because I make an allowance for his ignorance, and for his being a product of his times, and for him having to function within the society in which he existed (even if he were wiser and less ignorant).
So, after assuming he gave that racist speech, what's left of Lincoln to admire? This: Within that same speech are included these remarks: "My understanding is that I can just let her alone." "[I]t seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes." Those remarks by themselves are good, maybe even laudable for his time or taken in context. He also says he will "stand by the law of this State", which is a reasonable thing for him to say (though I think the law was bad). He also said, in the same speech, this sentence which is half good: "I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing." The good part is that the negro would not necessarily have to be denied some things. These excerpts from his speech indicate that Lincoln is far better than the people who would enslave, persecute, or arbitrarily deny rights to others. These factors are worth a lot, and put him at a higher moral footing than many people of today.
So in my opinion the speech shows he had a lot of ignorance (about negroes, anyway) but had the good moral sense to let negroes alone rather than to abuse them (while so many other people of his time were abusing them). This good moral sense (which is worth a lot even in a state of ignorance) is one of the things that made Lincoln a good president for his time. That's my opinion. But if you could ask Lincoln himself about it, he'd probably say that he didn't think much about race and was more interested in other things such as keeping the union together. And that's also true.[/quote]
There are several good biographies that chronicled his youth. As a young man, the state law required him to live at his parent's home until he reached 23 (as I recall, but could have been 23). He resented his father hiring him and keeping his wages, much like a slave. After he reached the legal age to leave and was able to work and save for himself, he traveled down to the slave states and observed that nearly all the whites were poor and could not compete with the slaves who essentially worked for free for their 'masters' and were abused on so many levels. He returned north with the knowledge that slavery was evil and needed to be abolished.
A lot of education took place after that journey, but the main platform of the newly-formed Republican Party was to abolish slavery and Lincoln was the first Republican president. Perfect? In no way. but certainly opposed to slavery, and that was a start.
I'd like to add that EVERYONE evolves from their youth upward in response to our parents, our education, our circumstances, the news, our exposure to other peoples and we all , I hope, are vastly kinder as a result.
Mar 14, 2022 07:09:03 #
Ronald Hatt
Loc: Lansing, Mich
Someone.....Please send this to "Airforce one"...{ contributor to this venue}...*Bad Bob...[ Another really "dumb", Demoncrat, & dumbest of all..." Kevyn"...[ also contributor here}...
They do not have the intelligence to read these, & are "left at sea", bewildered, at any sensible political & truthful posting of anti-Demoncrat!
They do not have the intelligence to read these, & are "left at sea", bewildered, at any sensible political & truthful posting of anti-Demoncrat!
Mar 14, 2022 23:36:06 #
dtucker300 wrote:
Look everyone, IT'S A JOKE!
Couldn't you tell it was a joke when you first saw it, especially when all the cartoons are attached?
Couldn't you tell it was a joke when you first saw it, especially when all the cartoons are attached?
It looks enough like what's often posted here that one could think it was just a typical OPP post, even intended seriously. The cartoons (where I noticed them), while not serious, are still typical of OPP posts or replies to posts.
Mar 14, 2022 23:40:58 #
Iliamna1 wrote:
There are several good biographies that chronicled... (show quote)
"the state law required him to live at his parent's home until he reached 23 (as I recall, but could have been 23)":
I'm surprised about that law. I wonder why that was a law. Were such laws common?
Mar 15, 2022 07:05:12 #
robertv3 wrote:
"the state law required him to live at his parent's home until he reached 23 (as I recall, but could have been 23)":
I'm surprised about that law. I wonder why that was a law. Were such laws common?
I'm surprised about that law. I wonder why that was a law. Were such laws common?
Back in the early colonialization, yes. It kept young adults at home with their parents supposedly until they were married. Many of the northern states had such laws. They were pretty much gone by the Civil war.
Mar 15, 2022 07:18:59 #
son of witless wrote:
I love the bumper sticker about the dog hating Biden.
Driving on 470 the other day a truck passed me with a big huge sign he had painted on the back window that read; FJB yes,I said it Brandon’s got to go… Along with a flag painted under it… A car or two actually beeped with a thumps up gesture going by it…
Mar 15, 2022 12:08:27 #
lindajoy wrote:
Driving on 470 the other day a truck passed me with a big huge sign he had painted on the back window that read; FJB yes,I said it Brandon’s got to go… Along with a flag painted under it… A car or two actually beeped with a thumps up gesture going by it…
How disheartening.
Oh well, as an antidote we can follow the news about the usual court convictions against Republicans.
Mar 15, 2022 12:31:10 #
Iliamna1 wrote:
Back in the early colonialization, yes. It kept young adults at home with their parents supposedly until they were married. Many of the northern states had such laws. They were pretty much gone by the Civil war.
Ah, I think I understand. The further back into the past we go, the fewer people were emancipated, and the more people were treated like objects or property. I'm glad to be going toward the future instead of toward the past.
Mar 15, 2022 13:02:18 #
dtucker300
Loc: Vista, CA
robertv3 wrote:
Ah, I think I understand. The further back into the past we go, the fewer people were emancipated, and the more people were treated like objects or property. I'm glad to be going toward the future instead of toward the past.
I don't think you do. What makes you think we are not moving toward the past. The Democrat Party wants to make everyone dependent on the government, and it is happening at an alarmingly increasing exponential rate since Biden took office.
Mar 15, 2022 15:27:23 #
The sad fact of history, with a few exceptions, is that most people were serfs, slaves or property of the government. I think we're in a close proximity to being the /property of the government' now. If we lose our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, then we will be doomed.
Mar 15, 2022 15:29:13 #
dtucker300
Loc: Vista, CA
Iliamna1 wrote:
The sad fact of history, with a few exceptions, is that most people were serfs, slaves or property of the government. I think we're in a close proximity to being the /property of the government' now. If we lose our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, then we will be doomed.
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