Texas A&M rated Biden 6th best president ever (Page 4): So let’s make sure they are never lost!!! We owe it to the kids to make sure they have what we lived! Just some thoughts.

The Ms.

Iliamna1 wrote:

The sad fact of history, with a few exceptions, is that most people were serfs, s***es or property of the government. I think we're in a close proximity to being the /property of the government' now. If we lose our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, then we will be doomed.

So let’s make sure they are never lost!!! We owe it to the kids to make sure they have what we lived! Just some thoughts.

son of witless

lindajoy wrote:

Driving on 470 the other day a truck passed me with a big huge sign he had painted on the back window that read; FJB yes,I said it Brandon’s got to go… Along with a f**g painted under it… A car or two actually beeped with a thumps up gesture going by it…

robertv3

dtucker300 wrote:

I don't think you do. What makes you think we are not moving toward the past. The Democrat Party wants to make everyone dependent on the government, and it is happening at an alarmingly increasing exponential rate since Biden took office.

"The Democrat Party wants to make everyone dependent on the government": I don't think so. Rather, the Republican Party would leave us at the mercy of the rich and powerful people and the large corporations in which ordinary people don't get a say nor a v**e. The Democrat Party offers us a way out of that peonage by giving us processes we can v**e on.

The Democrat Party represents a democratic government accountable to the common people, while the Republican Party wants to get government (and the will of the majority) off the backs of the wealthy people and the large corporations so that they (the wealthy people and the large corporations) can do wh**ever they will with us and our resources.

robertv3

The Ms. wrote:

So let’s make sure they [referring to 1st & 2nd Amendment rights] are never lost!!! We owe it to the kids to make sure they have what we lived! Just some thoughts.

Leaving aside for the moment the concept of _responsibilities_ and focusing only on _rights_, maybe if the people with guns would just shoot everybody else dead then it would buy them some time. No-one's going to take away their guns if there's nobody left to take them away. (satire)

Rose42

robertv3 wrote:

"The Democrat Party wants to make everyone dependent on the government": I don't think so. Rather, the Republican Party would leave us at the mercy of the rich and powerful people and the large corporations in which ordinary people don't get a say nor a v**e. The Democrat Party offers us a way out of that peonage by giving us processes we can v**e on.

No, they want everyone dependent on government. And they too are run by the rich. The democrat chains are merely a different color

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The Democrat Party represents a democratic government accountable to the common people, while the Republican Party wants to get government (and the will of the majority) off the backs of the wealthy people and the large corporations so that they (the wealthy people and the large corporations) can do wh**ever they will with us and our resources.

The democrat party you speak of is dead and long gone.

The Ms.

robertv3 wrote:

"The Democrat Party wants to make everyone de... (show quote)

Wake up….. maybe 60 years ago but no more….. you have it ass backwards!!!! Check out who big 1120s are contributing to and get back to us! You are being taken down the Yellow Brick Road and you are going to end up in a very Black Hole!!!! Just a wake up call.

The Ms.

robertv3 wrote:

Leaving aside for the moment the concept of _responsibilities_ and focusing only on _rights_, maybe if the people with guns would just shoot everybody else dead then it would buy them some time. No-one's going to take away their guns if there's nobody left to take them away. (satire)

Cute thought…. Said like a true Komecrat !!!! We prefer logic and reasoning….. don’t get me wrong…. If all fails we are not afraid to fight and die! Thanks for being so t***sparent…. Nothing left to wonder about with you.

robertv3

Rose42 wrote:

The democrat party you speak of is dead and long gone.

Oh, I see (satire). Well, let's make sure to bury the well-intended original, more pure, party as deep as possible, shall we, because we h**e something about it now?

Contrarily (not satire), the right thing to do is to figure out what good government is and try to make that happen. If the Republican Party's trying to do _this_, it's doing a very poor job of it. The Democrat Party (much of it -- the part that I see by far the most) is making an honest effort to make good government happen. The Republican Party, more extremely partisan, is destructive without offering good solutions. An example of what the Republican Party offers as a "solution" is to take more money (or benefits) from poor people, or to impose a national debt (stemming from tax cuts for the rich) onto poor people, and gives the money to rich people, per the theory that rich people will somehow use it to shower benefits down to the poor people. The rich people take the money and run, time and again, and the Republican Party continues to take money from the poor people and give it to the rich people.

Starting with Reagan, I was noticing a Republican Party wanting to make government so small that it could be drowned in a bathtub. This is the vision of someone like an actor pretending to be a president. Granted that Reagan did have experience as a governor before becoming president, I still think Republican v**ers liked him mainly because they could sense he wasn't any smarter than they were. There's nothing wrong with the idea of small government, per se, but the Republican Party just irresponsibly cuts taxes on the rich which puts us into debt; and, the Republican Party doesn't have a plan to make _good_ small government, it only destroys government. Essentially that's one of the things that is going on, though I may exaggerate or overgeneralize to make a quick point about it here.

There's one more thing I want to say now, but I'll try to make it brief: A couple of the ways to make change are: 1. quick reinvention, like completely scrapping the old system even before you have a plan for a new system; or: 2. careful gradual change. In real life there should be a mixture of reinvention and gradual change. We need radical thinking and we need responsible acting: both of those, at the same time.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

robertv3 wrote:

"The Democrat Party wants to make everyone de... (show quote)

You are referring to RINOs who are almost as worthless as the l*****t Marxists Democrats. They only represent themselves. More people are leaving the Democrat Plantation, not to become Republicans, but to be Constitutional conservative independents.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

robertv3 wrote:

Oh, I see (satire). Well, let's make sure to bury the well-intended original, more pure, party as deep as possible, shall we, because we h**e something about it now?

Contrarily (not satire), the right thing to do is to figure out what good government is and try to make that happen. If the Republican Party's trying to do _this_, it's doing a very poor job of it. The Democrat Party (much of it -- the part that I see by far the most) is making an honest effort to make good government happen. The Republican Party, more extremely partisan, is destructive without offering good solutions. An example of what the Republican Party offers as a "solution" is to take more money (or benefits) from poor people, or to impose a national debt (stemming from tax cuts for the rich) onto poor people, and gives the money to rich people, per the theory that rich people will somehow use it to shower benefits down to the poor people. The rich people take the money and run, time and again, and the Republican Party continues to take money from the poor people and give it to the rich people.

Starting with Reagan, I was noticing a Republican Party wanting to make government so small that it could be drowned in a bathtub. This is the vision of someone like an actor pretending to be a president. Granted that Reagan did have experience as a governor before becoming president, I still think Republican v**ers liked him mainly because they could sense he wasn't any smarter than they were. There's nothing wrong with the idea of small government, per se, but the Republican Party just irresponsibly cuts taxes on the rich which puts us into debt; and, the Republican Party doesn't have a plan to make _good_ small government, it only destroys government. Essentially that's one of the things that is going on, though I may exaggerate or overgeneralize to make a quick point about it here.

There's one more thing I want to say now, but I'll try to make it brief: A couple of the ways to make change are: 1. quick reinvention, like completely scrapping the old system even before you have a plan for a new system; or: 2. careful gradual change. In real life there should be a mixture of reinvention and gradual change. We need radical thinking and we need responsible acting: both of those, at the same time.

Oh, I see (satire). Well, let's make sure to bury... (show quote)

The Founders figured out what good government is; LIMITED GOVERNMENT! The Progressives, the Democratic Party, the RINOs, and the establishment Repugnicans have destroyed it. It's still not too late to correct our course. However, time is running out, especially with people such as Obama and Biden in the White House. But that is only one branch of the government. Activist judges legislating from the bench who don't rule on the merits of constitutional law, and a legislature that has abdicated nearly all of its responsibility to bureaucrats, and has the lowest approval rating of any group in the government, are just as guilty of destroying this country.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

dtucker300 wrote:

The Founders figured out what good government is; ... (show quote)

couldn't have said it better myself!

robertv3

The Ms. wrote:

Cute thought…. Said like a true Komecrat !!!! We prefer logic and reasoning….. don’t get me wrong…. If all fails we are not afraid to fight and die! Thanks for being so t***sparent…. Nothing left to wonder about with you.

... said as though I had not put "(satire)" at the end of it in case you didn't understand that it was satire. But now maybe you are engaging in satire too of some strange sort.

robertv3

dtucker300 wrote:

The Founders figured out what good government is; ... (show quote)

Refine. To merely say "LIMITED GOVERNMENT!" is not enough. If we are to have any government at all, whether limited or not, it should be a _good_ government (or comparatively better than an alternative, or as good as we can make it).

Example: Taxing people for earning from their own labor, and then using that money to subsidize a wealthy corporation which then spoils the environment for all, and refusing to regulate that corporation (which after all is being supported by taxpayers' money so it ought to have a responsibility to the taxpayers) is not good government. Taxing labor _less_ (or maybe not at all) and taxing that corporation _more_ (or even subsidizing it LESS!) would be better government, and it could still be as "LIMITED" a government as in the other way (if not more limited: less tax, less subsidy).

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

robertv3 wrote:

Refine. To merely say "LIMITED GOVERNMENT!&q... (show quote)

The way you do that is to limit the power of government (and Politicians) to wreak havoc on our lives. Politicians love to exert power over people. Until we return to the constitutional principles upon which our government was founded things will continue to devolve. There is not enough time and space here to lay out all the things we should and should not be doing. But basically, we are in agreement.

Rose42

robertv3 wrote:

Oh, I see (satire). Well, let's make sure to bury the well-intended original, more pure, party as deep as possible, shall we, because we h**e something about it now?

Contrarily (not satire), the right thing to do is to figure out what good government is and try to make that happen. If the Republican Party's trying to do _this_, it's doing a very poor job of it. The Democrat Party (much of it -- the part that I see by far the most) is making an honest effort to make good government happen. The Republican Party, more extremely partisan, is destructive without offering good solutions. An example of what the Republican Party offers as a "solution" is to take more money (or benefits) from poor people, or to impose a national debt (stemming from tax cuts for the rich) onto poor people, and gives the money to rich people, per the theory that rich people will somehow use it to shower benefits down to the poor people. The rich people take the money and run, time and again, and the Republican Party continues to take money from the poor people and give it to the rich people.

Starting with Reagan, I was noticing a Republican Party wanting to make government so small that it could be drowned in a bathtub. This is the vision of someone like an actor pretending to be a president. Granted that Reagan did have experience as a governor before becoming president, I still think Republican v**ers liked him mainly because they could sense he wasn't any smarter than they were. There's nothing wrong with the idea of small government, per se, but the Republican Party just irresponsibly cuts taxes on the rich which puts us into debt; and, the Republican Party doesn't have a plan to make _good_ small government, it only destroys government. Essentially that's one of the things that is going on, though I may exaggerate or overgeneralize to make a quick point about it here.

There's one more thing I want to say now, but I'll try to make it brief: A couple of the ways to make change are: 1. quick reinvention, like completely scrapping the old system even before you have a plan for a new system; or: 2. careful gradual change. In real life there should be a mixture of reinvention and gradual change. We need radical thinking and we need responsible acting: both of those, at the same time.

Oh, I see (satire). Well, let's make sure to bury... (show quote)

No, the democrat party isn’t trying to make it happen any more than the republican party. They are just as intent at stoking division as well. Each party talks a good game - how good varies - but when it comes right down to it this country is still in decline.

If you thought I was defending republicans you’re wrong