Rose42

Its s-a-t-i-r-e.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Would you say, "Calling someone a sinner because of they murder is an insult to God. God does not make mistakes?"

Would you say, "Calling someone a sinner because of they commit adultery is an insult to God. God does not make mistakes?"

Would you say, "Calling someone a sinner because of they rape is an insult to God. God does not make mistakes?"

Iliamna1

Strictly speaking, the Bible only allows for a one male- one female marriage and any sex outside those parameters is either adultery or fornication.

Turtle keeper

Oh my god RR. Your brain must have frozen. You for some reason can’t get President Trump out of that brain of yours. Now your coming up with 20 year old statements. Why not give up on bad mouthing President Trump (I fear your repeating yourself) and start telling us how great your dictator Justin is.

moldyoldy

Interesting history of marriage.


The origins of marriage

The institution of marriage is now the subject of a bitter national debate. How did marriage begin and why?

THE WEEK STAFF
JANUARY 8, 2015
How old is the institution?
The best available evidence suggests that it's about 4,350 years old. For thousands of years before that, most anthropologists believe, families consisted of loosely organized groups of as many as 30 people, with several male leaders, multiple women shared by them, and children. As hunter-gatherers settled down into agrarian civilizations, society had a need for more stable arrangements. The first recorded evidence of marriage ceremonies uniting one woman and one man dates from about 2350 B.C., in Mesopotamia. Over the next several hundred years, marriage evolved into a widespread institution embraced by the ancient Hebrews, Greeks, and Romans. But back then, marriage had little to do with love or with religion.

What was it about, then?
Marriage's primary purpose was to bind women to men, and thus guarantee that a man's children were truly his biological heirs. Through marriage, a woman became a man's property. In the betrothal ceremony of ancient Greece, a father would hand over his daughter with these words: "I pledge my daughter for the purpose of producing legitimate offspring." Among the ancient Hebrews, men were free to take several wives; married Greeks and Romans were free to satisfy their sexual urges with concubines, prostitutes, and even teenage male lovers, while their wives were required to stay home and tend to the household. If wives failed to produce offspring, their husbands could give them back and marry someone else.

When did religion become involved?
As the Roman Catholic Church became a powerful institution in Europe, the blessings of a priest became a necessary step for a marriage to be legally recognized. By the eighth century, marriage was widely accepted in the Catholic church as a sacrament, or a ceremony to bestow God's grace. At the Council of Trent in 1563, the sacramental nature of marriage was written into canon law.

Did this change the nature of marriage?
Church blessings did improve the lot of wives. Men were taught to show greater respect for their wives, and forbidden from divorcing them. Christian doctrine declared that "the twain shall be one flesh," giving husband and wife exclusive access to each other's body. This put new pressure on men to remain sexually faithful. But the church still held that men were the head of families, with their with their wives deferring to their wishes

When did love enter the picture?
Later than you might think. For much of human history, couples were brought together for practical reasons, not because they fell in love. In time, of course, many marriage partners came to feel deep mutual love and devotion. But the idea of romantic love, as a motivating force for marriage, only goes as far back as the Middle Ages. Naturally, many scholars believe the concept was "invented" by the French. Its model was the knight who felt intense love for someone else's wife, as in the case of Sir Lancelot and King Arthur's wife, Queen Guinevere. Twelfth-century advice literature told men to woo the object of their desire by praising her eyes, hair, and lips. In the 13th century, Richard de Fournival, physician to the king of France, wrote "Advice on Love," in which he suggested that a woman cast her love flirtatious glances—"anything but a frank and open entreaty."

Did love change marriage?
It sure did. Marilyn Yalom, a Stanford historian and author of A History of the Wife, credits the concept of romantic love with giving women greater leverage in what had been a largely pragmatic transaction. Wives no longer existed solely to serve men. The romantic prince, in fact, sought to serve the woman he loved. Still, the notion that the husband "owned" the wife continued to hold sway for centuries. When colonists first came to America—at a time when polygamy was still accepted in most parts of the world—the husband's dominance was officially recognized under a legal doctrine called "coverture," under which the new bride's identity was absorbed into his. The bride gave up her name to symbolize the surrendering of her identity, and the husband suddenly became more important, as the official public representative of two people, not one. The rules were so strict that any American woman who married a foreigner immediately lost her citizenship.

How did this tradition change?
Women won the right to vote. When that happened, in 1920, the institution of marriage began a dramatic transformation. Suddenly, each union consisted of two full citizens, although tradition dictated that the husband still ruled the home. By the late 1960s, state laws forbidding interracial marriage had been thrown out, and the last states had dropped laws against the use of birth control. By the 1970s, the law finally recognized the concept of marital rape, which up to that point was inconceivable, as the husband "owned" his wife's sexuality. "The idea that marriage is a private relationship for the fulfillment of two individuals is really very new," said historian Stephanie Coontz, author of The Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap. "Within the past 40 years, marriage has changed more than in the last 5,000."

Men who married men
Gay marriage is rare in history—but not unknown. The Roman emperor Nero, who ruled from A.D. 54 to 68, twice married men in formal wedding ceremonies, and forced the Imperial Court to treat them as his wives. In second- and third-century Rome, homosexual weddings became common enough that it worried the social commentator Juvenal, says Marilyn Yalom in A History of the Wife. "Look—a man of family and fortune—being wed to a man!" Juvenal wrote. "Such things, before we're very much older, will be done in public." He mocked such unions, saying that male "brides" would never be able to "hold their husbands by having a baby." The Romans outlawed formal homosexual unions in the year 342. But Yale history professor John Boswell says he's found scattered evidence of homosexual unions after that time, including some that were recognized by Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches. In one 13th-century Greek Orthodox ceremony, the "Order for Solemnisation of Same Sex Union," the celebrant asked God to grant the participants "grace to love one another and to abide unhated and not a cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God and all thy saints."
https://theweek.com/articles/528746/origins-marriage?amp

microphor Loc: Home is TN

You are really stuck on Trump aren't you. Maybe a visit to the psych will help you figure it out. I got my money on one of two things: 1) you're envious as hell, or 2) you have a fetish for him.

moldyoldy

Maybe if the idiot would go away then we could ignore him. But as long as he can con money out of rubes he will keep sticking his nose into politics.

Iliamna1

The Truth remains, the only sex allowed in the Bible that is without sin, is within the confines of a monogamous male-female marriage. All other sex is sin and categorized as either fornication or adultery. God does not change His standards for the convenience or whims or lusts of men. He does provide forgiveness through His Son, Jesus Christ, Who paid the penalty for every and all man's sin at the cross.
Over the last 50 y8ears, there have been many studies. Monogamous marriages come out on top in terms of healthier living, logner life spans, better adjusted children, far fewer sexually transmitted diseases, far fewer suicides, a higher standard of living. The list goes on and on.
Personally, I'll stick to the Lord's standards but you do what you want to because that's what you're going to do and you'll justify it any way you want to.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Exactly right. And both adultery and fornication are sins, as defined by God and the Bible. But we are all sinners. We are just not all forgiven and redeemed.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Exactly!
God doesn’t make mistakes. The people that post against God are wasting their time. He doesn’t need us to defend Him, but He did say what He wants us to do. Get the elect to understand that they are the elect. Once all are on board, Boom! The unbelievers couldn’t choose Him when it was easy, they’re not gonna later when it’s hard either.
Posts about marriage thousands and thousands of years ago is ridiculous. Man wasn’t here then.
Deal with it!

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Blame, blame, blame. It's his fault you're obsessed with him

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

She fails to mention that marriage also protects women by having the male commit to just one partner and assure that he will support her and any offspring.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

doesn't that work both ways?

moldyoldy

Funny how the rules change over time. But we claim it was always one way. Many men would love to go back to the old days when they were king of the castle.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

We see the results in some communities when this wisdom about marriage is not followed. Mama's with 2, 3, 4, or more kids most or all with different daddys. End result is almost always poverty and a life time of misery, followed by the children begetting MORE children with poverty and misery.