Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official explaining how World War III is already here... And urging the West to act...
The sheer idiocy of this situation is getting to me... Not just the lies, propaganda is to be expected during war, but the willful ignorance that people are embracing...
Simple logic dictates that we avoid this war at all costs...Yet there are government officials in the West who are advocating for full scale conflict...
Firstly, look at the Zelensky government... A corrupt group of sleazy politicians who have been waging genocidal war on their own citizens since 2014... Thousands dead in the eastern Ukraine, including children... Media outlets censored, political opponents jailed, and a government that is led by a clown...A group who donated more heavily to the Clinton Foundation than any other nation while Hilary was secretary of state and during her campaign run... A group that employed the crack addled son of the US's current POTUS (and Biden isn't the only politician with a child in the Ukrainian oil gig) and gave him millions for doing nothing... A group that is ranked as one of the most corrupt democracies on the planet...
Back to the heroic Zelensky.. A Jewish comedian who joked about being a nazi, robbing the Russian nationals of eastern Ukraine, and laughed about the Obama led coup that ousted the duly elected government of his democracy... And who now nobly leads his people to slaughter while he sits in safety...
This is the "democratic" nation that the West absolutely must go to war to save????
Second, we are hearing about how Russia is bogged down and having supply issues...How the Ukrainian people are holding them back... How droves of Russians are dying, deserting, or losing motivation... Despite lacking a single corroborating piece of evidence to support such a narrative!!! Bullshit...
One need only look at the changing map over the past seven days to see that Russia has been following a strategy of slowly encircling from Eastern Ukraine, North near Kiev, and South from the Crimea... All the while taking out strategic targets like military and government installations... And leaving an open corridor to the West to allow civilians to flee from zones of conflict...
We're not seeing these Russian casualties...
We're not seeing them bogged down or begging for gas...
We're certainly not seeing Ukrainian civilians engaged in combat with them...
Nor are we seeing any of these so called deserters...
We ARE seeing one of the world's premier fighting forces execute a series of masterful maneuvers focused on pushing the Ukrainian military out of the East, capturing the capital, and preventing as many civilian casualties as possible...
Third, we keep hearing about how the Russian populace has been kept ignorant of this situation... How soldiers have had no idea what was really going on... How the people of Russia have been hoodwinked by their diabolical dictatorship...
Coming from the West I understand how people might believe that...But we're wrong... Russians have access to the internet and social media.. They're not a bunch of ignorant peasants living in squalor... Around the world we hear the voices of Russians speak out... Both against, and for, the conflict... Like us there are those who deplore violence, and those who feel it is necessary... Which Western conflict didn't have supporters and dissenters??? Remember how righteous we were when we attacked Iraq (just one example) and saved ourselves from the imaginary WMDs???
Fourth, the idea that somehow the world is aligning in support of the Ukraine, and against Russia... Absurd... Yes, the West is, and several of our allies...Japan has seen fit to resurrect their argument over the Kuril islands (Land lost during its epic defeat during World War II).. And there are other nations giving voice as well... Certainly...
But where are the BRICS nations???
Let this sink in...
Brazil isn't sanctioning Russia..
India isn't sanctioning Russia...
China isn't sanctioning Russia...
Even South Africa, a member of the British Commonwealth, isn't sanctioning Russia...
These are the fastest growing economies in this century.... These nations represent half of the world's population and a large percentage of its economy... And they are not aligning with the West to support war against Russia... (Although, it should be noted, each of them has expressed their wishes for a swift and peaceful end to the conflict)..
This doesn't even take into consideration that Russia is debt free and hss $600 billion in reserve... That Russia is energy independent... That Russia is agriculturally independent... And that Russia's economy has been under sanctions for decades... Do we really believe they didn't see this coming???? And that they haven't made preparations???
Fifth, Putin is evil... Ok... I'm going to give you this, he's one bad mother of a leader... Not someone I'd ever want to have a grudge with... A man that has done things most of us probably don't want to even think about... And I get it if you don't like him.... But no one is asking you to like him...Or even agree with him... The point being made here is that we don't need to go to war with him, but he certainly felt the need to go to war with us...
The West's encroachment in Russia can be viewed as nothing but antagonistic... Our repeated failure to act in good faaith has led to a point where tryst is no longer an option... We've demonstrated that we believe Russia to be evil and will act accordingly to justify this view... Look no further than our reaction to a democratically elected, pro-Russia government in the Ukraine... Or five NATO expansions to the East despite our declaration that we would not take one inch...
Or just look at our own sheer, brutal hypocrisy...
Putin is evil but we bomb civilians in the Middle East...
Putin is evil but we back demonic despots like Saudi Arabia...
Putin is evil but we have instigated coups around the world to unseat governments we disapprove of...
Which nation have we raised up in the past thirty years since the Soviet Union collapsed that we're so much better than Russia???
So please, hate Putin, I doubt he cares... And pray for the people of the Ukraine, I certainly am...
But stop pretending we're the heroes in this play... We're not... We're not even the goofy, good-hearted stooges...
We're the arrogant, gungho dicks who led a nation to believe we had its back as we urged it towards a war it could never win...
World War III sounds pretty shitty to me... Especially if fought upon these grounds...
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official... (
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A gigantic plateful of food for thought.