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Mar 3, 2022 17:51:10   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Ricktloml wrote:
I saw a Russian analyst, she said Putin had been planning this for 20 years, and the idea that he will be stopped, (without an all out world-war,) is ridiculous. She also brought up Putin/Russia has been living with sanctions for a while and is as you pointed out not dependent on outsiders for much of anything. I don't think most people anywhere want world-war 3. There are some evil/corrupt politicians who certainly do though.


Yes... And we put them in power...

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Mar 4, 2022 00:55:07   #
Ted_68
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official explaining how World War III is already here... And urging the West to act...

The sheer idiocy of this situation is getting to me... Not just the lies, propaganda is to be expected during war, but the willful ignorance that people are embracing...

Simple logic dictates that we avoid this war at all costs...Yet there are government officials in the West who are advocating for full scale conflict...

Firstly, look at the Zelensky government... A corrupt group of sleazy politicians who have been waging genocidal war on their own citizens since 2014... Thousands dead in the eastern Ukraine, including children... Media outlets censored, political opponents jailed, and a government that is led by a clown...A group who donated more heavily to the Clinton Foundation than any other nation while Hilary was secretary of state and during her campaign run... A group that employed the crack addled son of the US's current POTUS (and Biden isn't the only politician with a child in the Ukrainian oil gig) and gave him millions for doing nothing... A group that is ranked as one of the most corrupt democracies on the planet...
Back to the heroic Zelensky.. A Jewish comedian who joked about being a n**i, robbing the Russian nationals of eastern Ukraine, and laughed about the Obama led c**p that ousted the duly elected government of his democracy... And who now nobly leads his people to slaughter while he sits in safety...
This is the "democratic" nation that the West absolutely must go to war to save????

Second, we are hearing about how Russia is bogged down and having supply issues...How the Ukrainian people are holding them back... How droves of Russians are dying, deserting, or losing motivation... Despite lacking a single corroborating piece of evidence to support such a narrative!!! Bulls**t...
One need only look at the changing map over the past seven days to see that Russia has been following a strategy of slowly encircling from Eastern Ukraine, North near Kiev, and South from the Crimea... All the while taking out strategic targets like military and government installations... And leaving an open corridor to the West to allow civilians to flee from zones of conflict...
We're not seeing these Russian casualties...
We're not seeing them bogged down or begging for gas...
We're certainly not seeing Ukrainian civilians engaged in combat with them...
Nor are we seeing any of these so called deserters...
We ARE seeing one of the world's premier fighting forces execute a series of masterful maneuvers focused on pushing the Ukrainian military out of the East, capturing the capital, and preventing as many civilian casualties as possible...

Third, we keep hearing about how the Russian populace has been kept ignorant of this situation... How soldiers have had no idea what was really going on... How the people of Russia have been hoodwinked by their diabolical dictatorship...
Coming from the West I understand how people might believe that...But we're wrong... Russians have access to the internet and social media.. They're not a bunch of ignorant peasants living in squalor... Around the world we hear the voices of Russians speak out... Both against, and for, the conflict... Like us there are those who deplore violence, and those who feel it is necessary... Which Western conflict didn't have supporters and dissenters??? Remember how righteous we were when we attacked Iraq (just one example) and saved ourselves from the imaginary WMDs???

Fourth, the idea that somehow the world is aligning in support of the Ukraine, and against Russia... Absurd... Yes, the West is, and several of our allies...Japan has seen fit to resurrect their argument over the Kuril islands (Land lost during its epic defeat during World War II).. And there are other nations giving voice as well... Certainly...
But where are the BRICS nations???
Let this sink in...
Brazil isn't sanctioning Russia..
India isn't sanctioning Russia...
China isn't sanctioning Russia...
Even South Africa, a member of the British Commonwealth, isn't sanctioning Russia...
These are the fastest growing economies in this century.... These nations represent half of the world's population and a large percentage of its economy... And they are not aligning with the West to support war against Russia... (Although, it should be noted, each of them has expressed their wishes for a swift and peaceful end to the conflict)..
This doesn't even take into consideration that Russia is debt free and hss $600 billion in reserve... That Russia is energy independent... That Russia is agriculturally independent... And that Russia's economy has been under sanctions for decades... Do we really believe they didn't see this coming???? And that they haven't made pr********ns???

Fifth, Putin is evil... Ok... I'm going to give you this, he's one bad mother of a leader... Not someone I'd ever want to have a grudge with... A man that has done things most of us probably don't want to even think about... And I get it if you don't like him.... But no one is asking you to like him...Or even agree with him... The point being made here is that we don't need to go to war with him, but he certainly felt the need to go to war with us...
The West's encroachment in Russia can be viewed as nothing but antagonistic... Our repeated failure to act in good faaith has led to a point where tryst is no longer an option... We've demonstrated that we believe Russia to be evil and will act accordingly to justify this view... Look no further than our reaction to a democratically elected, pro-Russia government in the Ukraine... Or five NATO expansions to the East despite our declaration that we would not take one inch...
Or just look at our own sheer, brutal hypocrisy...
Putin is evil but we bomb civilians in the Middle East...
Putin is evil but we back demonic despots like Saudi Arabia...
Putin is evil but we have instigated c**ps around the world to unseat governments we disapprove of...
Which nation have we raised up in the past thirty years since the Soviet Union collapsed that we're so much better than Russia???
So please, h**e Putin, I doubt he cares... And pray for the people of the Ukraine, I certainly am...
But stop pretending we're the heroes in this play... We're not... We're not even the goofy, good-hearted stooges...
We're the arrogant, gungho dicks who led a nation to believe we had its back as we urged it towards a war it could never win...

World War III sounds pretty s**tty to me... Especially if fought upon these grounds...
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official... (show quote)


Well worth the read. Keep it up and thanks

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Mar 4, 2022 07:29:07   #
Liberty Tree
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official explaining how World War III is already here... And urging the West to act...

The sheer idiocy of this situation is getting to me... Not just the lies, propaganda is to be expected during war, but the willful ignorance that people are embracing...

Simple logic dictates that we avoid this war at all costs...Yet there are government officials in the West who are advocating for full scale conflict...

Firstly, look at the Zelensky government... A corrupt group of sleazy politicians who have been waging genocidal war on their own citizens since 2014... Thousands dead in the eastern Ukraine, including children... Media outlets censored, political opponents jailed, and a government that is led by a clown...A group who donated more heavily to the Clinton Foundation than any other nation while Hilary was secretary of state and during her campaign run... A group that employed the crack addled son of the US's current POTUS (and Biden isn't the only politician with a child in the Ukrainian oil gig) and gave him millions for doing nothing... A group that is ranked as one of the most corrupt democracies on the planet...
Back to the heroic Zelensky.. A Jewish comedian who joked about being a n**i, robbing the Russian nationals of eastern Ukraine, and laughed about the Obama led c**p that ousted the duly elected government of his democracy... And who now nobly leads his people to slaughter while he sits in safety...
This is the "democratic" nation that the West absolutely must go to war to save????

Second, we are hearing about how Russia is bogged down and having supply issues...How the Ukrainian people are holding them back... How droves of Russians are dying, deserting, or losing motivation... Despite lacking a single corroborating piece of evidence to support such a narrative!!! Bulls**t...
One need only look at the changing map over the past seven days to see that Russia has been following a strategy of slowly encircling from Eastern Ukraine, North near Kiev, and South from the Crimea... All the while taking out strategic targets like military and government installations... And leaving an open corridor to the West to allow civilians to flee from zones of conflict...
We're not seeing these Russian casualties...
We're not seeing them bogged down or begging for gas...
We're certainly not seeing Ukrainian civilians engaged in combat with them...
Nor are we seeing any of these so called deserters...
We ARE seeing one of the world's premier fighting forces execute a series of masterful maneuvers focused on pushing the Ukrainian military out of the East, capturing the capital, and preventing as many civilian casualties as possible...

Third, we keep hearing about how the Russian populace has been kept ignorant of this situation... How soldiers have had no idea what was really going on... How the people of Russia have been hoodwinked by their diabolical dictatorship...
Coming from the West I understand how people might believe that...But we're wrong... Russians have access to the internet and social media.. They're not a bunch of ignorant peasants living in squalor... Around the world we hear the voices of Russians speak out... Both against, and for, the conflict... Like us there are those who deplore violence, and those who feel it is necessary... Which Western conflict didn't have supporters and dissenters??? Remember how righteous we were when we attacked Iraq (just one example) and saved ourselves from the imaginary WMDs???

Fourth, the idea that somehow the world is aligning in support of the Ukraine, and against Russia... Absurd... Yes, the West is, and several of our allies...Japan has seen fit to resurrect their argument over the Kuril islands (Land lost during its epic defeat during World War II).. And there are other nations giving voice as well... Certainly...
But where are the BRICS nations???
Let this sink in...
Brazil isn't sanctioning Russia..
India isn't sanctioning Russia...
China isn't sanctioning Russia...
Even South Africa, a member of the British Commonwealth, isn't sanctioning Russia...
These are the fastest growing economies in this century.... These nations represent half of the world's population and a large percentage of its economy... And they are not aligning with the West to support war against Russia... (Although, it should be noted, each of them has expressed their wishes for a swift and peaceful end to the conflict)..
This doesn't even take into consideration that Russia is debt free and hss $600 billion in reserve... That Russia is energy independent... That Russia is agriculturally independent... And that Russia's economy has been under sanctions for decades... Do we really believe they didn't see this coming???? And that they haven't made pr********ns???

Fifth, Putin is evil... Ok... I'm going to give you this, he's one bad mother of a leader... Not someone I'd ever want to have a grudge with... A man that has done things most of us probably don't want to even think about... And I get it if you don't like him.... But no one is asking you to like him...Or even agree with him... The point being made here is that we don't need to go to war with him, but he certainly felt the need to go to war with us...
The West's encroachment in Russia can be viewed as nothing but antagonistic... Our repeated failure to act in good faaith has led to a point where tryst is no longer an option... We've demonstrated that we believe Russia to be evil and will act accordingly to justify this view... Look no further than our reaction to a democratically elected, pro-Russia government in the Ukraine... Or five NATO expansions to the East despite our declaration that we would not take one inch...
Or just look at our own sheer, brutal hypocrisy...
Putin is evil but we bomb civilians in the Middle East...
Putin is evil but we back demonic despots like Saudi Arabia...
Putin is evil but we have instigated c**ps around the world to unseat governments we disapprove of...
Which nation have we raised up in the past thirty years since the Soviet Union collapsed that we're so much better than Russia???
So please, h**e Putin, I doubt he cares... And pray for the people of the Ukraine, I certainly am...
But stop pretending we're the heroes in this play... We're not... We're not even the goofy, good-hearted stooges...
We're the arrogant, gungho dicks who led a nation to believe we had its back as we urged it towards a war it could never win...

World War III sounds pretty s**tty to me... Especially if fought upon these grounds...
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official... (show quote)


I have been to the Ukraine and my concern is for the ordinary citizen there who is just trying to survive day to day at the mercy of the powers that be.

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Mar 4, 2022 09:30:51   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
I have been to the Ukraine and my concern is for the ordinary citizen there who is just trying to survive day to day at the mercy of the powers that be.


I pray for them too...

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Mar 4, 2022 11:32:24   #
billy a Loc: South Florida
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official explaining how World War III is already here... And urging the West to act...

The sheer idiocy of this situation is getting to me... Not just the lies, propaganda is to be expected during war, but the willful ignorance that people are embracing...

Simple logic dictates that we avoid this war at all costs...Yet there are government officials in the West who are advocating for full scale conflict...

Firstly, look at the Zelensky government... A corrupt group of sleazy politicians who have been waging genocidal war on their own citizens since 2014... Thousands dead in the eastern Ukraine, including children... Media outlets censored, political opponents jailed, and a government that is led by a clown...A group who donated more heavily to the Clinton Foundation than any other nation while Hilary was secretary of state and during her campaign run... A group that employed the crack addled son of the US's current POTUS (and Biden isn't the only politician with a child in the Ukrainian oil gig) and gave him millions for doing nothing... A group that is ranked as one of the most corrupt democracies on the planet...
Back to the heroic Zelensky.. A Jewish comedian who joked about being a n**i, robbing the Russian nationals of eastern Ukraine, and laughed about the Obama led c**p that ousted the duly elected government of his democracy... And who now nobly leads his people to slaughter while he sits in safety...
This is the "democratic" nation that the West absolutely must go to war to save????

Second, we are hearing about how Russia is bogged down and having supply issues...How the Ukrainian people are holding them back... How droves of Russians are dying, deserting, or losing motivation... Despite lacking a single corroborating piece of evidence to support such a narrative!!! Bulls**t...
One need only look at the changing map over the past seven days to see that Russia has been following a strategy of slowly encircling from Eastern Ukraine, North near Kiev, and South from the Crimea... All the while taking out strategic targets like military and government installations... And leaving an open corridor to the West to allow civilians to flee from zones of conflict...
We're not seeing these Russian casualties...
We're not seeing them bogged down or begging for gas...
We're certainly not seeing Ukrainian civilians engaged in combat with them...
Nor are we seeing any of these so called deserters...
We ARE seeing one of the world's premier fighting forces execute a series of masterful maneuvers focused on pushing the Ukrainian military out of the East, capturing the capital, and preventing as many civilian casualties as possible...

Third, we keep hearing about how the Russian populace has been kept ignorant of this situation... How soldiers have had no idea what was really going on... How the people of Russia have been hoodwinked by their diabolical dictatorship...
Coming from the West I understand how people might believe that...But we're wrong... Russians have access to the internet and social media.. They're not a bunch of ignorant peasants living in squalor... Around the world we hear the voices of Russians speak out... Both against, and for, the conflict... Like us there are those who deplore violence, and those who feel it is necessary... Which Western conflict didn't have supporters and dissenters??? Remember how righteous we were when we attacked Iraq (just one example) and saved ourselves from the imaginary WMDs???

Fourth, the idea that somehow the world is aligning in support of the Ukraine, and against Russia... Absurd... Yes, the West is, and several of our allies...Japan has seen fit to resurrect their argument over the Kuril islands (Land lost during its epic defeat during World War II).. And there are other nations giving voice as well... Certainly...
But where are the BRICS nations???
Let this sink in...
Brazil isn't sanctioning Russia..
India isn't sanctioning Russia...
China isn't sanctioning Russia...
Even South Africa, a member of the British Commonwealth, isn't sanctioning Russia...
These are the fastest growing economies in this century.... These nations represent half of the world's population and a large percentage of its economy... And they are not aligning with the West to support war against Russia... (Although, it should be noted, each of them has expressed their wishes for a swift and peaceful end to the conflict)..
This doesn't even take into consideration that Russia is debt free and hss $600 billion in reserve... That Russia is energy independent... That Russia is agriculturally independent... And that Russia's economy has been under sanctions for decades... Do we really believe they didn't see this coming???? And that they haven't made pr********ns???

Fifth, Putin is evil... Ok... I'm going to give you this, he's one bad mother of a leader... Not someone I'd ever want to have a grudge with... A man that has done things most of us probably don't want to even think about... And I get it if you don't like him.... But no one is asking you to like him...Or even agree with him... The point being made here is that we don't need to go to war with him, but he certainly felt the need to go to war with us...
The West's encroachment in Russia can be viewed as nothing but antagonistic... Our repeated failure to act in good faaith has led to a point where tryst is no longer an option... We've demonstrated that we believe Russia to be evil and will act accordingly to justify this view... Look no further than our reaction to a democratically elected, pro-Russia government in the Ukraine... Or five NATO expansions to the East despite our declaration that we would not take one inch...
Or just look at our own sheer, brutal hypocrisy...
Putin is evil but we bomb civilians in the Middle East...
Putin is evil but we back demonic despots like Saudi Arabia...
Putin is evil but we have instigated c**ps around the world to unseat governments we disapprove of...
Which nation have we raised up in the past thirty years since the Soviet Union collapsed that we're so much better than Russia???
So please, h**e Putin, I doubt he cares... And pray for the people of the Ukraine, I certainly am...
But stop pretending we're the heroes in this play... We're not... We're not even the goofy, good-hearted stooges...
We're the arrogant, gungho dicks who led a nation to believe we had its back as we urged it towards a war it could never win...

World War III sounds pretty s**tty to me... Especially if fought upon these grounds...
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official... (show quote)


Thanks, Kyle, for filling the void left by what is known as our "media". Hopefully your outlook will find it's way into the minds of the sadly blinded followers of that cult. Well thought out, well presented. Love and Light. fjb

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Mar 4, 2022 13:56:57   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
billy a wrote:
Thanks, Kyle, for filling the void left by what is known as our "media". Hopefully your outlook will find it's way into the minds of the sadly blinded followers of that cult. Well thought out, well presented. Love and Light. fjb


Amazingly difficult to verify or find sources which talk about anything but the "righteous" Ukrainians and the "horrible" Russian devils. People like CD are one of the only sources of alternative views.

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Mar 4, 2022 17:36:41   #
Carol Kelly
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official explaining how World War III is already here... And urging the West to act...

The sheer idiocy of this situation is getting to me... Not just the lies, propaganda is to be expected during war, but the willful ignorance that people are embracing...

Simple logic dictates that we avoid this war at all costs...Yet there are government officials in the West who are advocating for full scale conflict...

Firstly, look at the Zelensky government... A corrupt group of sleazy politicians who have been waging genocidal war on their own citizens since 2014... Thousands dead in the eastern Ukraine, including children... Media outlets censored, political opponents jailed, and a government that is led by a clown...A group who donated more heavily to the Clinton Foundation than any other nation while Hilary was secretary of state and during her campaign run... A group that employed the crack addled son of the US's current POTUS (and Biden isn't the only politician with a child in the Ukrainian oil gig) and gave him millions for doing nothing... A group that is ranked as one of the most corrupt democracies on the planet...
Back to the heroic Zelensky.. A Jewish comedian who joked about being a n**i, robbing the Russian nationals of eastern Ukraine, and laughed about the Obama led c**p that ousted the duly elected government of his democracy... And who now nobly leads his people to slaughter while he sits in safety...
This is the "democratic" nation that the West absolutely must go to war to save????

Second, we are hearing about how Russia is bogged down and having supply issues...How the Ukrainian people are holding them back... How droves of Russians are dying, deserting, or losing motivation... Despite lacking a single corroborating piece of evidence to support such a narrative!!! Bulls**t...
One need only look at the changing map over the past seven days to see that Russia has been following a strategy of slowly encircling from Eastern Ukraine, North near Kiev, and South from the Crimea... All the while taking out strategic targets like military and government installations... And leaving an open corridor to the West to allow civilians to flee from zones of conflict...
We're not seeing these Russian casualties...
We're not seeing them bogged down or begging for gas...
We're certainly not seeing Ukrainian civilians engaged in combat with them...
Nor are we seeing any of these so called deserters...
We ARE seeing one of the world's premier fighting forces execute a series of masterful maneuvers focused on pushing the Ukrainian military out of the East, capturing the capital, and preventing as many civilian casualties as possible...

Third, we keep hearing about how the Russian populace has been kept ignorant of this situation... How soldiers have had no idea what was really going on... How the people of Russia have been hoodwinked by their diabolical dictatorship...
Coming from the West I understand how people might believe that...But we're wrong... Russians have access to the internet and social media.. They're not a bunch of ignorant peasants living in squalor... Around the world we hear the voices of Russians speak out... Both against, and for, the conflict... Like us there are those who deplore violence, and those who feel it is necessary... Which Western conflict didn't have supporters and dissenters??? Remember how righteous we were when we attacked Iraq (just one example) and saved ourselves from the imaginary WMDs???

Fourth, the idea that somehow the world is aligning in support of the Ukraine, and against Russia... Absurd... Yes, the West is, and several of our allies...Japan has seen fit to resurrect their argument over the Kuril islands (Land lost during its epic defeat during World War II).. And there are other nations giving voice as well... Certainly...
But where are the BRICS nations???
Let this sink in...
Brazil isn't sanctioning Russia..
India isn't sanctioning Russia...
China isn't sanctioning Russia...
Even South Africa, a member of the British Commonwealth, isn't sanctioning Russia...
These are the fastest growing economies in this century.... These nations represent half of the world's population and a large percentage of its economy... And they are not aligning with the West to support war against Russia... (Although, it should be noted, each of them has expressed their wishes for a swift and peaceful end to the conflict)..
This doesn't even take into consideration that Russia is debt free and hss $600 billion in reserve... That Russia is energy independent... That Russia is agriculturally independent... And that Russia's economy has been under sanctions for decades... Do we really believe they didn't see this coming???? And that they haven't made pr********ns???

Fifth, Putin is evil... Ok... I'm going to give you this, he's one bad mother of a leader... Not someone I'd ever want to have a grudge with... A man that has done things most of us probably don't want to even think about... And I get it if you don't like him.... But no one is asking you to like him...Or even agree with him... The point being made here is that we don't need to go to war with him, but he certainly felt the need to go to war with us...
The West's encroachment in Russia can be viewed as nothing but antagonistic... Our repeated failure to act in good faaith has led to a point where tryst is no longer an option... We've demonstrated that we believe Russia to be evil and will act accordingly to justify this view... Look no further than our reaction to a democratically elected, pro-Russia government in the Ukraine... Or five NATO expansions to the East despite our declaration that we would not take one inch...
Or just look at our own sheer, brutal hypocrisy...
Putin is evil but we bomb civilians in the Middle East...
Putin is evil but we back demonic despots like Saudi Arabia...
Putin is evil but we have instigated c**ps around the world to unseat governments we disapprove of...
Which nation have we raised up in the past thirty years since the Soviet Union collapsed that we're so much better than Russia???
So please, h**e Putin, I doubt he cares... And pray for the people of the Ukraine, I certainly am...
But stop pretending we're the heroes in this play... We're not... We're not even the goofy, good-hearted stooges...
We're the arrogant, gungho dicks who led a nation to believe we had its back as we urged it towards a war it could never win...

World War III sounds pretty s**tty to me... Especially if fought upon these grounds...
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official... (show quote)


Men, women and children are dying. That’s sinful and Putin will pay on judgment day.

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Mar 4, 2022 17:37:32   #
Carol Kelly
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Amazingly difficult to verify or find sources which talk about anything but the "righteous" Ukrainians and the "horrible" Russian devils. People like CD are one of the only sources of alternative views.


I’m shocked.

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Mar 4, 2022 18:22:39   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Men, women and children are dying. That’s sinful and Putin will pay on judgment day.


And who will pay for all the men, women and children who died in the continual shelling of the Russian separatists is the east by the Ukraine army??? That's a lot of years of sinning, isn't it??

There was really no reason for it.

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Mar 4, 2022 19:33:16   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
billy a wrote:
Thanks, Kyle, for filling the void left by what is known as our "media". Hopefully your outlook will find it's way into the minds of the sadly blinded followers of that cult. Well thought out, well presented. Love and Light. fjb


Peace Billy

Glad your eyes are open...

Stay strong

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Mar 4, 2022 19:35:14   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Men, women and children are dying. That’s sinful and Putin will pay on judgment day.


Men, women, and children have been dying in the Ukraine for the past 8 years... Seems like Zelensky and his cronies have a little blood on their hands as well...

We will all pay on judgement day... Putin is aware of that... Unlike some politicians, he's a devout Christian...

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Mar 4, 2022 19:36:03   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
And who will pay for all the men, women and children who died in the continual shelling of the Russian separatists is the east by the Ukraine army??? That's a lot of years of sinning, isn't it??

There was really no reason for it.


There was none... Not a single moral reason for it...

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Mar 4, 2022 19:39:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
There was none... Not a single moral reason for it...


Hell, there was no real strategic or tactical reason for either. It was one of those "brother wars."

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Mar 4, 2022 19:45:13   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Hell, there was no real strategic or tactical reason for either. It was one of those "brother wars."


Oil was discovered in the Ukraine...

Closer ties to Russia wasn't an option the West was going to sit down for...

I don't know if your media is playing it...But in southern Ukraine the Russians have captured a city...They're now bringing in food and supplies to ensure the safety of the citizens.... Brothers indeed🙏

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Mar 4, 2022 20:31:39   #
martsiva
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official explaining how World War III is already here... And urging the West to act...

The sheer idiocy of this situation is getting to me... Not just the lies, propaganda is to be expected during war, but the willful ignorance that people are embracing...

Simple logic dictates that we avoid this war at all costs...Yet there are government officials in the West who are advocating for full scale conflict...

Firstly, look at the Zelensky government... A corrupt group of sleazy politicians who have been waging genocidal war on their own citizens since 2014... Thousands dead in the eastern Ukraine, including children... Media outlets censored, political opponents jailed, and a government that is led by a clown...A group who donated more heavily to the Clinton Foundation than any other nation while Hilary was secretary of state and during her campaign run... A group that employed the crack addled son of the US's current POTUS (and Biden isn't the only politician with a child in the Ukrainian oil gig) and gave him millions for doing nothing... A group that is ranked as one of the most corrupt democracies on the planet...
Back to the heroic Zelensky.. A Jewish comedian who joked about being a n**i, robbing the Russian nationals of eastern Ukraine, and laughed about the Obama led c**p that ousted the duly elected government of his democracy... And who now nobly leads his people to slaughter while he sits in safety...
This is the "democratic" nation that the West absolutely must go to war to save????

Second, we are hearing about how Russia is bogged down and having supply issues...How the Ukrainian people are holding them back... How droves of Russians are dying, deserting, or losing motivation... Despite lacking a single corroborating piece of evidence to support such a narrative!!! Bulls**t...
One need only look at the changing map over the past seven days to see that Russia has been following a strategy of slowly encircling from Eastern Ukraine, North near Kiev, and South from the Crimea... All the while taking out strategic targets like military and government installations... And leaving an open corridor to the West to allow civilians to flee from zones of conflict...
We're not seeing these Russian casualties...
We're not seeing them bogged down or begging for gas...
We're certainly not seeing Ukrainian civilians engaged in combat with them...
Nor are we seeing any of these so called deserters...
We ARE seeing one of the world's premier fighting forces execute a series of masterful maneuvers focused on pushing the Ukrainian military out of the East, capturing the capital, and preventing as many civilian casualties as possible...

Third, we keep hearing about how the Russian populace has been kept ignorant of this situation... How soldiers have had no idea what was really going on... How the people of Russia have been hoodwinked by their diabolical dictatorship...
Coming from the West I understand how people might believe that...But we're wrong... Russians have access to the internet and social media.. They're not a bunch of ignorant peasants living in squalor... Around the world we hear the voices of Russians speak out... Both against, and for, the conflict... Like us there are those who deplore violence, and those who feel it is necessary... Which Western conflict didn't have supporters and dissenters??? Remember how righteous we were when we attacked Iraq (just one example) and saved ourselves from the imaginary WMDs???

Fourth, the idea that somehow the world is aligning in support of the Ukraine, and against Russia... Absurd... Yes, the West is, and several of our allies...Japan has seen fit to resurrect their argument over the Kuril islands (Land lost during its epic defeat during World War II).. And there are other nations giving voice as well... Certainly...
But where are the BRICS nations???
Let this sink in...
Brazil isn't sanctioning Russia..
India isn't sanctioning Russia...
China isn't sanctioning Russia...
Even South Africa, a member of the British Commonwealth, isn't sanctioning Russia...
These are the fastest growing economies in this century.... These nations represent half of the world's population and a large percentage of its economy... And they are not aligning with the West to support war against Russia... (Although, it should be noted, each of them has expressed their wishes for a swift and peaceful end to the conflict)..
This doesn't even take into consideration that Russia is debt free and hss $600 billion in reserve... That Russia is energy independent... That Russia is agriculturally independent... And that Russia's economy has been under sanctions for decades... Do we really believe they didn't see this coming???? And that they haven't made pr********ns???

Fifth, Putin is evil... Ok... I'm going to give you this, he's one bad mother of a leader... Not someone I'd ever want to have a grudge with... A man that has done things most of us probably don't want to even think about... And I get it if you don't like him.... But no one is asking you to like him...Or even agree with him... The point being made here is that we don't need to go to war with him, but he certainly felt the need to go to war with us...
The West's encroachment in Russia can be viewed as nothing but antagonistic... Our repeated failure to act in good faaith has led to a point where tryst is no longer an option... We've demonstrated that we believe Russia to be evil and will act accordingly to justify this view... Look no further than our reaction to a democratically elected, pro-Russia government in the Ukraine... Or five NATO expansions to the East despite our declaration that we would not take one inch...
Or just look at our own sheer, brutal hypocrisy...
Putin is evil but we bomb civilians in the Middle East...
Putin is evil but we back demonic despots like Saudi Arabia...
Putin is evil but we have instigated c**ps around the world to unseat governments we disapprove of...
Which nation have we raised up in the past thirty years since the Soviet Union collapsed that we're so much better than Russia???
So please, h**e Putin, I doubt he cares... And pray for the people of the Ukraine, I certainly am...
But stop pretending we're the heroes in this play... We're not... We're not even the goofy, good-hearted stooges...
We're the arrogant, gungho dicks who led a nation to believe we had its back as we urged it towards a war it could never win...

World War III sounds pretty s**tty to me... Especially if fought upon these grounds...
I just listened to a Ukrainian government official... (show quote)


The real eye opener that should have been seen by people and was seen by many was the corruption committed by Nuland and her thugs in getting rid of Yanukovych, who provided the buffer that Putin wanted and putting in the West` puppet Poroshenko!

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