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It makes perfect sense-----Trump is guilty of starting the Insurrection------He must pay.
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Feb 20, 2022 13:54:07   #
son of witless
 
336Robin wrote:
Don't worry about me. Worry about the judge. Go tell him what you think. Apparently he thinks differently.


He is not a jury. He ruled lawsuits can go forward. He cannot decide them.

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Feb 20, 2022 14:45:49   #
Radiance3
 
336Robin wrote:
It makes perfect sense that if you do something you're liable for it. Nothing special just liable. This is a self policing system of regulation in which lawyers do the heavy lifting. Trump should pay for what he did and if he is guilty of starting the insurrection there should also be charges coming.

Again is makes perfect sense that if he is responsible for the insurrection and people were killed he is an accessory to murder. End of story. Another one bites the dust.

INSIDER
Federal judge rules that Trump can be sued over the Capitol riot and does not have absolute immunity
Sonam Sheth
Fri, February 18, 2022, 4:58 PM
Former President Donald Trump.
Former President Donald Trump.Evan Vucci/AP




A federal judge ruled that Trump can be held civilly liable for the Capitol riot.

He also said Trump does not have absolute immunity from civil suits.

"The court well understands the gravity of its decision," the ruling said. "But the alleged facts of this case are without precedent."

A federal judge ruled on Friday that former President Donald Trump can be held civilly liable for the deadly Capitol riot on January 6, 2021.

Trump's speech before his supporters stormed the Capitol, during which he called on them to "fight like hell" against the 2020 election results, "can reasonably be viewed as a call for collective action," US District Judge Amit Mehta wrote in a 112-page ruling. He pointed to specific statements in which Trump used the word "we," including:

"We will not take it anymore."

"We will stop the steal."

"We will never give up."

"We will never concede."

"All Mike Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president."

"We're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue."

The word "we" being "used repeatedly in this context implies that the President and rally-goers would be acting together toward a common goal," Mehta wrote. "That is the essence of a civil conspiracy."

The focus of Mehta's ruling were three civil lawsuits brought against Trump by Democratic lawmakers and Capitol Police officers who defended the building on January 6.

The judge ruled on Friday that Trump is not immune from the litigation and can be held accountable for his actions and statements related to the Capitol riot. Mehta acknowledged the import of his decision but said that the events of January 6 were unprecedented.

"To deny a President immunity from civil damages is no small step," the ruling said. "The court well understands the gravity of its decision. But the alleged facts of this case are without precedent."

Mehta also noted that Trump was not acting in his capacity as president when he held the rally and told his supporters to march to the Capitol.

"After all, the President's actions here do not relate to his duties of faithfully executing the laws, conducting foreign affairs, commanding the armed forces, or managing the Executive Branch," the ruling said. "They entirely concern his efforts to remain in office for a second term. These are unofficial acts, so the separation-of-powers concerns that justify the President's broad immunity are not present here."

The judge also said that the allegations in the civil lawsuits against Trump are enough to establish "a plausible ... conspiracy involving President Trump." That conspiracy includes the far-right groups Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and others who stormed the Capitol on January 6, Mehta added.

He highlighted that a "civil conspiracy" does not require an express agreement between those involved.

"A tacit agreement — one that is 'implied or indicated ... but not actually expressed' — is enough," the ruling said. "The key is that the conspirators share the same general conspiratorial objective, or a single plan the essential nature and general scope of which is known to all conspirators."

Friday's ruling is a major blow to Trump and comes in the wake of several other legal losses. On Thursday, a Manhattan judge ruled that Trump and his two eldest children, Donald Jr. and Ivanka, must sit for depositions in the New York attorney general Tish James' ongoing investigation into whether the Trump Organization violated banking, tax, and insurance laws.

And earlier this week, Trump's longtime accounting firm cut ties with him after concluding that, in the wake of James' recent findings, ten years of Trump's financial statements "should no longer be relied upon."

Read the original article on Business Insider
It makes perfect sense that if you do something yo... (show quote)

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You don't understand what Financial reporting is all about. The LEFT continues to assault Trump to finally bankrupt him and his family while the LEFT continue raking billions of dollars for influence peddling to China. RE:" Red Handed" by Peter Swcheizer. It is a lucrative means of making money out of their political powers.

All Financial statement prepared and reported to the decision makers, and the government agencies are reviewed, audited, and documented all figures reported on that F/S of the company, and or private individuals. These, the auditors exercise their highest professional ethics as required on their profession. Violation of those ethics results to removal of their license to practice. Passing the CPA exam is one of the toughest jobs to take. Only 10% to 20% succeed at one taking. Others have to repeat or go back to review classes. Many do not make it.
These professionals are very careful and follow the highest ethical conduct of their profession. Violations result to losing their license.
All Donald Trump's financial reports had undergone strict reviews and audits before submitted to the IRS. or the decision makers.

These democrat crooks, don't even understand what makes up the financial statement of a corporation/company or an individual.

He hurdled and sacrificed, in order to achieve those things he owned. The radical communist-democrats are jealous. So, Hillary stole the WH antiques and furniture as they stepped out of the WH in 2001. Then while Sec. of State Hillary amassed billions of dollar for influence peddling in the guise of her corrupt Foundation, where only 3% to 5% provided to charity. Now they own hundreds of millions of dollars. How did they earn that for a brief period of time working for the Federal government? Despite that the sexual predator Bill had been sued by his several victims except Monica.

I noticed that since 2009, under the Barack Obama administration, politics have changed to so much loaded with crimes and violence. He started that by violating several laws of the Constitution, leaving the Constitution weaker after he departed. But the schemes seem are followed until this year.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-112hhrg75846/html/CHRG-112hhrg75846.htm
Prior years since president Kennedy in 1961, the fact that he was a democrat, I admired his loyalty and patriotism. He did work for the country fulfilled his duty as president of the United States, only to be cut short by traitors.

At present the politicians particularly the LEFT, spend their time suing the republicans as they massively corrupt and transform the system to their desired ideology. E.g. Hillary and Joe Biden.

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Feb 20, 2022 15:40:56   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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You don't understand what Financial reporting is all about. The LEFT continues to assault Trump to finally bankrupt him and his family while the LEFT continue raking billions of dollars for influence peddling to China. RE:" Red Handed" by Peter Swcheizer. It is a lucrative means of making money out of their political powers.

All Financial statement prepared and reported to the decision makers, and the government agencies are reviewed, audited, and documented all figures reported on that F/S of the company, and or private individuals. These, the auditors exercise their highest professional ethics as required on their profession. Violation of those ethics results to removal of their license to practice. Passing the CPA exam is one of the toughest jobs to take. Only 10% to 20% succeed at one taking. Others have to repeat or go back to review classes. Many do not make it.
These professionals are very careful and follow the highest ethical conduct of their profession. Violations result to losing their license.
All Donald Trump's financial reports had undergone strict reviews and audits before submitted to the IRS. or the decision makers.

These democrat crooks, don't even understand what makes up the financial statement of a corporation/company or an individual.

He hurdled and sacrificed, in order to achieve those things he owned. The radical communist-democrats are jealous. So, Hillary stole the WH antiques and furniture as they stepped out of the WH in 2001. Then while Sec. of State Hillary amassed billions of dollar for influence peddling in the guise of her corrupt Foundation, where only 3% to 5% provided to charity. Now they own hundreds of millions of dollars. How did they earn that for a brief period of time working for the Federal government? Despite that the sexual predator Bill had been sued by his several victims except Monica.

I noticed that since 2009, under the Barack Obama administration, politics have changed to so much loaded with crimes and violence. He started that by violating several laws of the Constitution, leaving the Constitution weaker after he departed. But the schemes seem are followed until this year.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-112hhrg75846/html/CHRG-112hhrg75846.htm
Prior years since president Kennedy in 1961, the fact that he was a democrat, I admired his loyalty and patriotism. He did work for the country fulfilled his duty as president of the United States, only to be cut short by traitors.

At present the politicians particularly the LEFT, spend their time suing the republicans as they massively corrupt and transform the system to their desired ideology. E.g. Hillary and Joe Biden.
================= br i You don't understand what... (show quote)


He broke laws and evading taxes on his own. He caused an insurrection on his own. He stole top secret documents and took them to Maralago on his own. Screwed Stormy Daniels and supposedly raped Jean Carroll on his own. He flipped on Michael Cohen and threw him under the bus and Cohen paid him back by exposing his tax fraud on his own.

Democrats are not the problem.

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Feb 20, 2022 16:12:26   #
Radiance3
 
336Robin wrote:
He broke laws and evading taxes on his own. He caused an insurrection on his own. He stole top secret documents and took them to Maralago on his own. Screwed Stormy Daniels and supposedly raped Jean Carroll on his own. He flipped on Michael Cohen and threw him under the bus and Cohen paid him back by exposing his tax fraud on his own.

Democrats are not the problem.

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NO!, You don't know what you are talking about. What laws are those? None sense. I was an auditor and knows how auditors must perform their professional ethics. They follow the last letter all in compliance with their required standards of reporting. Trump's financial statements were audited, reviewed, analyzed before submitting to the IRS. Trump did not violate anything except the CROOKED Communists party along with Clinton, Barack, and Pelosi used their toxic tentacles to slice all hard earned wealth of Donald Trump, including his children . These traitors are all demonic. No sense of humility and humanity.

Michael Cohen was convicted felon, and sent to prison. He made his clients victims to enrich himself. He violated his fiduciary relationship with his clients.
He is a crook!
To keep their law licenses, lawyers must follow state-mandated rules of professional conduct for the attorney-client relationship. One of these rules is attorney-client privilege, which means the lawyer can't disclose anything you discuss without your permission—not even to a court.

The relation of attorney and client is one of trust and confidence of the highest order. It is highly fiduciary in nature and demands utmost fidelity and good faith. … A lawyer becomes familiar with all the facts connected with his client's case.


Cohen violated all of those. And exaggerated to harass clients and make more money. He lied to the highest order. His license was revoked. [/i]

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Feb 20, 2022 16:14:51   #
RobertV2
 
336Robin wrote:
He broke laws and evading taxes on his own. He caused an insurrection on his own. He stole top secret documents and took them to Maralago on his own. Screwed Stormy Daniels and supposedly raped Jean Carroll on his own. He flipped on Michael Cohen and threw him under the bus and Cohen paid him back by exposing his tax fraud on his own.

Democrats are not the problem.


Republicans can't KTST (or else they just DGAF). In the last few decades, most of the times a Republican got elected President (or became President somehow) within about 4 to 8 years there were a lot of criminal convictions against people in that presidential administration. That hasn't happened so much for the Democrat presidential administrations.

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Feb 20, 2022 16:22:17   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
RobertV2 wrote:
Republicans can't KTST (or else they just DGAF). In the last few decades, most of the times a Republican got elected President (or became President somehow) within about 4 to 8 years there were a lot of criminal convictions against people in that presidential administration. That hasn't happened so much for the Democrat presidential administrations.


My God Robert don't make sense here you'll regret it I promise you!

I have never seen such denial of what blatantly is happening all around in plain sight in my life.

I would be entertained if it were funny. As I speak the local law enforcement arm of the party is setting off Tannerite explosions at the firing range down the road. Shaking the windows. These folks are nuts.

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Feb 20, 2022 16:25:12   #
Radiance3
 
RobertV2 wrote:
Republicans can't KTST (or else they just DGAF). In the last few decades, most of the times a Republican got elected President (or became President somehow) within about 4 to 8 years there were a lot of criminal convictions against people in that presidential administration. That hasn't happened so much for the Democrat presidential administrations.

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Non-sense, prove it! Name some convictions. All but made up allegations against Trump. Hillary the crook was the champion, along with pig Pelosi, and Biden. These people have no SHAME! Their souls belong to Satan like yours for lying.
Who have lots of convictions? Hillary? Biden will be next. Barack Obama escaped. He used his color as shield for protection. Though he was the top president violator of the Constitution, he escaped conviction due to his race.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/president-obamas-top-ten-constitutional-violations-2015

You also talk non-sense. And I think with ignorance like 336Robin. I don't want LIARS!

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Feb 20, 2022 16:29:42   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Non-sense, prove it! Name some convictions. All but made up allegations against Trump. Hillary the crook was the champion, along with pig Pelosi, and Biden. These people have no SHAME! Their souls belong to Satan like yours for lying.
Who have lots of convictions? Hillary? Biden will be next. Barack Obama escaped. He used his color as shield for protection. Though he was the top president violator of the Constitution, he escaped conviction due to his race.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/president-obamas-top-ten-constitutional-violations-2015

You also talk non-sense. And I think with ignorance like 336Robin.
============== br i Non-sense, prove it! Name s... (show quote)


Go get him Radiance! He another one of those Demoncrats! lol

Robert I'm sorry but he is yours now!

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Feb 20, 2022 17:42:22   #
jelun
 
I think most of us remember when the Republican Party claimed to favor personal responsibility.
Bill Clinton was held responsible in a big way for doing much less than what Trump the Loser is accused of doing.

336Robin wrote:
It makes perfect sense that if you do something you're liable for it. Nothing special just liable. This is a self policing system of regulation in which lawyers do the heavy lifting. Trump should pay for what he did and if he is guilty of starting the insurrection there should also be charges coming.

Again is makes perfect sense that if he is responsible for the insurrection and people were killed he is an accessory to murder. End of story. Another one bites the dust.



INSIDER
Federal judge rules that Trump can be sued over the Capitol riot and does not have absolute immunity
Sonam Sheth
Fri, February 18, 2022, 4:58 PM
Former President Donald Trump.
Former President Donald Trump.Evan Vucci/AP




A federal judge ruled that Trump can be held civilly liable for the Capitol riot.

He also said Trump does not have absolute immunity from civil suits.

"The court well understands the gravity of its decision," the ruling said. "But the alleged facts of this case are without precedent."

A federal judge ruled on Friday that former President Donald Trump can be held civilly liable for the deadly Capitol riot on January 6, 2021.

Trump's speech before his supporters stormed the Capitol, during which he called on them to "fight like hell" against the 2020 election results, "can reasonably be viewed as a call for collective action," US District Judge Amit Mehta wrote in a 112-page ruling. He pointed to specific statements in which Trump used the word "we," including:

"We will not take it anymore."

"We will stop the steal."

"We will never give up."

"We will never concede."

"All Mike Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president."

"We're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue."

The word "we" being "used repeatedly in this context implies that the President and rally-goers would be acting together toward a common goal," Mehta wrote. "That is the essence of a civil conspiracy."

The focus of Mehta's ruling were three civil lawsuits brought against Trump by Democratic lawmakers and Capitol Police officers who defended the building on January 6.

The judge ruled on Friday that Trump is not immune from the litigation and can be held accountable for his actions and statements related to the Capitol riot. Mehta acknowledged the import of his decision but said that the events of January 6 were unprecedented.

"To deny a President immunity from civil damages is no small step," the ruling said. "The court well understands the gravity of its decision. But the alleged facts of this case are without precedent."

Mehta also noted that Trump was not acting in his capacity as president when he held the rally and told his supporters to march to the Capitol.

"After all, the President's actions here do not relate to his duties of faithfully executing the laws, conducting foreign affairs, commanding the armed forces, or managing the Executive Branch," the ruling said. "They entirely concern his efforts to remain in office for a second term. These are unofficial acts, so the separation-of-powers concerns that justify the President's broad immunity are not present here."

The judge also said that the allegations in the civil lawsuits against Trump are enough to establish "a plausible ... conspiracy involving President Trump." That conspiracy includes the far-right groups Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and others who stormed the Capitol on January 6, Mehta added.

He highlighted that a "civil conspiracy" does not require an express agreement between those involved.

"A tacit agreement — one that is 'implied or indicated ... but not actually expressed' — is enough," the ruling said. "The key is that the conspirators share the same general conspiratorial objective, or a single plan the essential nature and general scope of which is known to all conspirators."

Friday's ruling is a major blow to Trump and comes in the wake of several other legal losses. On Thursday, a Manhattan judge ruled that Trump and his two eldest children, Donald Jr. and Ivanka, must sit for depositions in the New York attorney general Tish James' ongoing investigation into whether the Trump Organization violated banking, tax, and insurance laws.

And earlier this week, Trump's longtime accounting firm cut ties with him after concluding that, in the wake of James' recent findings, ten years of Trump's financial statements "should no longer be relied upon."

Read the original article on Business Insider
It makes perfect sense that if you do something yo... (show quote)

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Feb 20, 2022 17:47:22   #
jelun
 
You left out one little piece about attorney/client privilege. It falls away when the client is no longer protected because the exchange involved breaking the law. Nice try, though.


Radiance3 wrote:
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NO!, You don't know what you are talking about. What laws are those? None sense. I was an auditor and knows how auditors must perform their professional ethics. They follow the last letter all in compliance with their required standards of reporting. Trump's financial statements were audited, reviewed, analyzed before submitting to the IRS. Trump did not violate anything except the CROOKED Communists party along with Clinton, Barack, and Pelosi used their toxic tentacles to slice all hard earned wealth of Donald Trump, including his children . These traitors are all demonic. No sense of humility and humanity.

Michael Cohen was convicted felon, and sent to prison. He made his clients victims to enrich himself. He violated his fiduciary relationship with his clients.
He is a crook!
To keep their law licenses, lawyers must follow state-mandated rules of professional conduct for the attorney-client relationship. One of these rules is attorney-client privilege, which means the lawyer can't disclose anything you discuss without your permission—not even to a court.

The relation of attorney and client is one of trust and confidence of the highest order. It is highly fiduciary in nature and demands utmost fidelity and good faith. … A lawyer becomes familiar with all the facts connected with his client's case.


Cohen violated all of those. And exaggerated to harass clients and make more money. He lied to the highest order. His license was revoked. [/i]
-================ br i NO!, You don't know what... (show quote)

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Feb 20, 2022 17:55:10   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
jelun wrote:
I think most of us remember when the Republican Party claimed to favor personal responsibility.
Bill Clinton was held responsible in a big way for doing much less than what Trump the Loser is accused of doing.


That sure went out the window quickly.
Now they're the party of we can get away with
anything that's legal. Hell with immoral.

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Feb 20, 2022 17:55:37   #
jelun
 
As you said on this very thread "Prove it". Why do you suppose Mazars left him behind? They are hoping that they can distance themselves from him in the hopes of saving themselves. More than a decade and a half they have been operating in coverups for him. They are done. He is being left alone and will soon be in prison like any conman/Loser should be, correct?

Radiance3 wrote:
=================
You don't understand what Financial reporting is all about. The LEFT continues to assault Trump to finally bankrupt him and his family while the LEFT continue raking billions of dollars for influence peddling to China. RE:" Red Handed" by Peter Swcheizer. It is a lucrative means of making money out of their political powers.

All Financial statement prepared and reported to the decision makers, and the government agencies are reviewed, audited, and documented all figures reported on that F/S of the company, and or private individuals. These, the auditors exercise their highest professional ethics as required on their profession. Violation of those ethics results to removal of their license to practice. Passing the CPA exam is one of the toughest jobs to take. Only 10% to 20% succeed at one taking. Others have to repeat or go back to review classes. Many do not make it.
These professionals are very careful and follow the highest ethical conduct of their profession. Violations result to losing their license.
All Donald Trump's financial reports had undergone strict reviews and audits before submitted to the IRS. or the decision makers.

These democrat crooks, don't even understand what makes up the financial statement of a corporation/company or an individual.

He hurdled and sacrificed, in order to achieve those things he owned. The radical communist-democrats are jealous. So, Hillary stole the WH antiques and furniture as they stepped out of the WH in 2001. Then while Sec. of State Hillary amassed billions of dollar for influence peddling in the guise of her corrupt Foundation, where only 3% to 5% provided to charity. Now they own hundreds of millions of dollars. How did they earn that for a brief period of time working for the Federal government? Despite that the sexual predator Bill had been sued by his several victims except Monica.

I noticed that since 2009, under the Barack Obama administration, politics have changed to so much loaded with crimes and violence. He started that by violating several laws of the Constitution, leaving the Constitution weaker after he departed. But the schemes seem are followed until this year.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-112hhrg75846/html/CHRG-112hhrg75846.htm
Prior years since president Kennedy in 1961, the fact that he was a democrat, I admired his loyalty and patriotism. He did work for the country fulfilled his duty as president of the United States, only to be cut short by traitors.

At present the politicians particularly the LEFT, spend their time suing the republicans as they massively corrupt and transform the system to their desired ideology. E.g. Hillary and Joe Biden.
================= br i You don't understand what... (show quote)

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Feb 20, 2022 17:57:15   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
jelun wrote:
As you said on this very thread "Prove it". Why do you suppose Mazars left him behind? They are hoping that they can distance themselves from him in the hopes of saving themselves. More than a decade and a half they have been operating in coverups for him. They are done. He is being left alone and will soon be in prison like any conman/Loser should be, correct?


I think you called it right.

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Feb 20, 2022 18:14:58   #
jelun
 
Twice a day! Too bad some of the Pubs on here don't have the same timing.

336Robin wrote:
I think you called it right.



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Feb 20, 2022 18:15:35   #
jelun
 
He MAY not.

son of witless wrote:
He is not a jury. He ruled lawsuits can go forward. He cannot decide them.

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