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"No Knock Warrants", Yea or Nay?
Feb 6, 2022 15:58:23 #
RandyBrian
Loc: Texas
woodguru wrote:
The only time I can see it is where they absolutel... (show quote)
You really REALLY can't help it, can you?
FYI. Compulsive disorder can be treated with meds.
Feb 6, 2022 16:31:25 #
Gatsby wrote:
Has its time and place….
Feb 6, 2022 16:35:11 #
RandyBrian wrote:
My son-in-law is an officer, a trainer, and a swat member. I bow to his expertise. He says the no-knock warrants help keep police officers safer, but there is no question that it can, and occasionally does, result in innocents being killed. For that reason, he opposes no knock warrants. It makes sense to me, so I am against them, too. It is better to find a different way, or even to increase the risk to a police officer, than to harm an innocent. My opinion.
Question: How does a 'no-knock' warrant help keep LEO's safe?
Feb 6, 2022 16:47:05 #
American Vet wrote:
Question: How does a 'no-knock' warrant help keep LEO's safe?
You want to take very bad guys by surprise…Also need to get in before evidence destroyed. As I said has a time and place.
Feb 6, 2022 16:55:09 #
The Ms. wrote:
You want to take very bad guys by surprise…Also need to get in before evidence destroyed. As I said has a time and place.
I have zero law enforcement knowledge.
However, some basic military tactics would dictate that when you make a forced entry you are in the place the bad guy selects.
It would seem wiser to just wait and catch/confront him on territory of your choosing, in an environment where you could have overwhelming fire superiority.
Question: Do LEO's use flash/bang??
Feb 6, 2022 17:01:33 #
Feb 6, 2022 17:08:50 #
American Vet wrote:
I have zero law enforcement knowledge.
However, some basic military tactics would dictate that when you make a forced entry you are in the place the bad guy selects.
It would seem wiser to just wait and catch/confront him on territory of your choosing, in an environment where you could have overwhelming fire superiority.
Question: Do LEO's use flash/bang??
However, some basic military tactics would dictate that when you make a forced entry you are in the place the bad guy selects.
It would seem wiser to just wait and catch/confront him on territory of your choosing, in an environment where you could have overwhelming fire superiority.
Question: Do LEO's use flash/bang??
True, but sometimes not doable. Good example was Branch Dividian fiasco!
To my knowledge…. No flash bangs in Fed field offices arsenal.
Feb 6, 2022 17:25:33 #
The Ms. wrote:
True, but sometimes not doable. Good example was Branch Dividian fiasco!
To my knowledge…. No flash bangs in Fed field offices arsenal.
To my knowledge…. No flash bangs in Fed field offices arsenal.
The Branch Dividian fiasco could have, and should have been handled in a wholely different way, just as Ruby Ridge. The over zealous gun toting Feds didn’t give a damn about the human lives they put a stake. Nor would they even if it were there own families that they were putting in harms way.
So many of these ‘Professionals ‘ are throughly ‘over’ taught and can’t wait to squeeze the trigger on a live target. They truly believe they are inviolate and above all others when they’re on the “JAZZ”.
Unless it’s a hostage situation, there’s no reason to go rushing in!
Chill out and wait them out. I’ve stood for hours waiting for that deer to stand up to give me a shot. Rushing in only F..cks things up for all involved.
Feb 6, 2022 17:33:42 #
The Ms. wrote:
True, but sometimes not doable. Good example was Branch Dividian fiasco!
To my knowledge…. No flash bangs in Fed field offices arsenal.
To my knowledge…. No flash bangs in Fed field offices arsenal.
>>>>True, but sometimes not doable.
Not sure I would agree with that. But OK
>>>>>Good example was Branch Dividian fiasco!
Not a good example.
The Branch Davidians was a complete fiasco.
"Ramsey Clark—a former U.S. Attorney General, who represented several Branch Davidian survivors and relatives in a civil lawsuit—said that the report "failed to address the obvious": "History will clearly record, I believe, that these assaults on the Mt. Carmel church center remain the greatest domestic law enforcement tragedy in the history of the United States."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege#Danforth_Report
>>>>No flash bangs in Fed field offices arsenal
What about local LEO's?
And if not, why not?
Feb 6, 2022 17:37:18 #
Feb 6, 2022 17:58:36 #
Big dog wrote:
The Branch Dividian fiasco could have, and should ... (show quote)
Ruby Ridge was DC ordering Agents to shoot! It was a radio communication.
Branch Dividians was DC interfering again. Field Agents knew the magnitude of what they were up against….. used only the Training Agents….. practiced !!!! Janet Reno and the three piece suits in DC just had to get involved!
You see ,only the do nothing ass kissers raise to the top. When they something big coming down they just have to get involved…Male Ego!!!!!
Fed Firearm training is excellent! Also teach Personal Defensive Tatics as an option against using firearms. Train once a quarter.
We also used Local PD Swat Entry Teams if very bad players.
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Feb 6, 2022 18:29:31 #
If my security system works as it should they won't have a chance to knock I'll be waiting.
Feb 6, 2022 21:43:02 #
American Vet wrote:
Would it not be better to simply wait?
Like in Waco? Where they knew David Koresh went to the post office every Friday morning. But instead of confront him there probably without incident. They Stormed the place and it turned into a mess.
Feb 6, 2022 21:48:37 #
Ted_68 wrote:
I like the no knock. Because if I shoot you it’s YOUR FAULT
A little scary to me... if they don't have to knock then what stops them from going in without a warrant... I always thought a warrant was to search for specific evidence or a person... I never thought it was a justification to break and enter... that could very possibly be the reason the warrant was issued for the suspect... and who is given this power?... and by what right?... like I said... a bit scary...
Feb 6, 2022 22:01:40 #
woodguru wrote:
The only time I can see it is where they absolutel... (show quote)
Can you never shelve your zealotry? This has nothing to do with left or right.
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