Missouri Legislature ready to override veto on gun legislation: It looks like Democrats over the land will be ready to see the Missouri legislation pertaining to any Congressional...

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

It looks like Democrats over the land will be ready to see the Missouri legislation pertaining to any Congressional attempt at gun control be passed over the Governor's veto. The law says that any law by the US that blows against the 2nd Amendment will be illegal in Missouri. Won't it be fun to see this happen and other states following Missouri? I think it sure will.

http://godfatherpolitics.com/11897/missouri-poised-to-override-democratic-governors-veto-of-nullification-bill/

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

Let's hope they don't "cave at the last minute". This can be the "camel's head in the tent"! Other states (unfortunately, not mine) can follow Missouri's lead.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

oldroy wrote:

It looks like Democrats over the land will be ready to see the Missouri legislation pertaining to any Congressional attempt at gun control be passed over the Governor's veto. The law says that any law by the US that blows against the 2nd Amendment will be illegal in Missouri. Won't it be fun to see this happen and other states following Missouri? I think it sure will.

http://godfatherpolitics.com/11897/missouri-poised-to-override-democratic-governors-veto-of-nullification-bill/

So if I move to MO I can own an Abrams?

Bishop71

I am confused. Does not our constitution say that any law that goes against the constitution is illegal? So why then must there be laws passed to make these laws that are already illegal " ILLEGAL"???

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

Bishop71 wrote:

I am confused. Does not our constitution say that any law that goes against the constitution is illegal? So why then must there be laws passed to make these laws that are already illegal " ILLEGAL"???

because dumbocraps have a very low comprehension factor

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

Augustus Greatorex wrote:

So if I move to MO I can own an Abrams?

go ahead

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

Bishop71 wrote:

I am confused. Does not our constitution say that any law that goes against the constitution is illegal? So why then must there be laws passed to make these laws that are already illegal " ILLEGAL"???

I think it's more an issue of states' rights vs. federal rights.

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791.[1] The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States or the people.

Unfortunately, many of the states' rights as well as the peoples' rights have been usurped by the Federal government. In many cases, because some of these rights are said to be part of the "commerce clause" (which in some cases, is a real "stretch").

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

snowbear37 wrote:

I think it's more an issue of states' rights vs. f... (show quote)

I think you raise an interesting point. The commerce clause is used often to justifiy federal action. I take it that conservatives would argue that if the federal gov't makes a law that contravenes the 2nd amendment the states would have a right to not enforce those laws and instead enforce their own.

But how would that work? If we have 50 different sets of rules regulating gun sales and regulations wouldn't that force the federal gov't to act to regulate the resulting "commerce" (by that I mean the transport and shipping of guns)?

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Bishop71 wrote:

I am confused. Does not our constitution say that any law that goes against the constitution is illegal? So why then must there be laws passed to make these laws that are already illegal " ILLEGAL"???

You haven't been watching the Dems in the Senate as they try to pass their "gun control" laws? That would be unconstitutional but they would try to enforce them just the same. If the MO legislature overrides their Dem governor it won't happen in MO though.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

working class stiff wrote:

I think you raise an interesting point. The comme... (show quote)

Have you not noticed that some states have passed laws that wouldn't allow the enforcing of that kind of law on guns produced in those states. Constitutional as hell since the Commerce Clause pertains only to interstate commerce.

Bishop71

I think that in this area it would not matter what the feds think because the states do not have to follow that order. especially if they pass the laws that are slowly being passed in order to make sure that these fed laws are illegal. Though it does state that a law that is made that goes against the constitution is not a legal law and therefore null and void, But i guess that the states making these laws does reinforce what the constitution in that aspect.

Bishop71

Wisconsin where i live is now trying to get a law through that will protect our gun rights and make it illegal for the feds to try to force gun bans and ammo bans on Wisconsin.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Bishop71 wrote:

I think that in this area it would not matter what the feds think because the states do not have to follow that order. especially if they pass the laws that are slowly being passed in order to make sure that these fed laws are illegal. Though it does state that a law that is made that goes against the constitution is not a legal law and therefore null and void, But i guess that the states making these laws does reinforce what the constitution in that aspect.

Thanks for your response and now I realize my question wasn't as clear as it should have been. Let me try again....

What would happen when the laws governing gun ownership and sales of two different states conflict. Let's take a stereotypical hypothetical: NY state passes laws that severely regulate the types of firearms and ammunition available to it's citizens, and even taxes the ammo to raise funds to enforce its laws. Neighboring New Hampshire has a more open policy with no limits on the amount and types of guns and ammo a citizen could have.
One can guess that there would be a steady flow of firearms and munitions into NY.
Wouldn't that end up with NY suing NH in federal court, thus dragging in the federal gov't, most likely with the commerce clause?

TheCracker

This is just one example of why it is important to promote your politics and vote local. Both for state and congressional representation.

While the large cities may control the national elections, the dolts in Chicago, NY City and Detroit have no control of your state representatives.

The midterm elections can change the country even more than Obama, if the Liberal-Democrats control changes....

The one thing I would warn everyone about -- if you want to be politically active -- is not to act like the radicals you see on TV, and even your local political courthouse meetings.

Remember: Talk quiet but carry a big stick. Then only use it when you really can get what you want.

Just sayin

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Augustus Greatorex wrote:

So if I move to MO I can own an Abrams?

Do you have the money to afford the thing? Can you buy ammo for the larger guns on it? Do you know how to run it? What nation like Egypt will you manage to buy it from?