The Universal Mind, God, and the Big Bang...
Feb 3, 2022 06:55:04 #
You mislabel honesty and truthfulness when you portray it to be animosity. This is a debate forum. Sweetness and light are neither required nor expected.
It is the false bulwark of religion raised against the book of Genesis, established by scientists who would function as the high priests of modern society, that you are so seriously examining; evolution was declared a religion by SCOTUS decades ago.
I have no interest in participating in your search to communicate with "the Universal Mind." It was your mindsets, JW, that I wished to confirm, ...for where we are on God's timetable.
It is the false bulwark of religion raised against the book of Genesis, established by scientists who would function as the high priests of modern society, that you are so seriously examining; evolution was declared a religion by SCOTUS decades ago.
I have no interest in participating in your search to communicate with "the Universal Mind." It was your mindsets, JW, that I wished to confirm, ...for where we are on God's timetable.
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Feb 3, 2022 07:01:39 #
Feb 3, 2022 07:17:20 #
Zemirah wrote:
Manning, I excused myself from your endeavor in my... (show quote)
For this, I will use no diplomacy, nor will I waste time. Clearly, one of the most noxious displays of atrocious arrogance I have seen in a long time.
Feb 3, 2022 07:37:24 #
skyrider wrote:
For this, I will use no diplomacy, nor will I waste time. Clearly, one of the most noxious displays of atrocious arrogance I have seen in a long time.
"Stepping on people's toes" with the truth that they don't want to hear usually ends in one being accused of "noxious displays of atrocious arrogance."
[Jesus said:] "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you." John 15:18-19
Feb 3, 2022 08:42:36 #
skyrider wrote:
She is already very much in, Manning. And I will add is a super addition. 
Thank You, skyrider~💫✨
Feb 3, 2022 09:38:27 #
Get out much?
skyrider wrote:
For this, I will use no diplomacy, nor will I waste time. Clearly, one of the most noxious displays of atrocious arrogance I have seen in a long time.
Feb 3, 2022 09:47:37 #
Thank you, Parky, 
but I do suspect you've now placed yourself solidly into that "noxious display," if not there already...
by quoting scripture, which creates a hydrophobic response.
- about the toe work, I had no intention to so misstep, but will not question your judgement.
but I do suspect you've now placed yourself solidly into that "noxious display," if not there already...
by quoting scripture, which creates a hydrophobic response.
- about the toe work, I had no intention to so misstep, but will not question your judgement.
Parky60 wrote:
"Stepping on people's toes" with the truth that they don't want to hear usually ends in one being accused of "noxious displays of atrocious arrogance."
[Jesus said:] "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you." John 15:18-19
[Jesus said:] "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you." John 15:18-19
Feb 3, 2022 10:52:24 #
After observing the inclusion of the academic discipline, Psychology, and praise for Carl Jung, this factual report on Freud and Jung should be of value:
Sigmund Freud is often referred to as the "father" of Psychology. He began as a "hypnotherapist," thereby obtaining his "scientific" research, which was portrayed as a modern scientific breakthrough, in understanding the human mind, by incorporating an ancient Shamanistic occult technique into his methodology.
In a very candid letter to his close friend, Wilhelm Fliess he wrote, "I am really not a man of science, not an observer, not an experimenter, and not a thinker. I am nothing but by temperament a conquistador (conqueror)... with the curiosity the boldness, and the tenacity that belong to that type of being."
(Why Freud Fainted, p.20, by Samuel Rosenberg, © 1978, 256 pg.)
In "The Assault on Truth," by Jeffrey Masson, © 1984, 368 pg., the former Projects Director of the Freud Archives, asserts that Freud's earliest and most valid scientific research was abandoned, because he chose not to accept the reality of his child patients' experiences of parental sexual abuse. He feared an adverse reaction by the victim's parents, who represented the elite and empowered of society, which would necessitate a loss of income, and the disapproval of his colleagues.
According to this well documented book, based on long-secret letters and documents, Freud hid his true findings, and hypothesized a complete reversal of his actual research. He theorized his patient's childhood memories of seduction and rape into fantasies on the children's part, of incestuous sexual desire toward their parents, and built his entire foundation of "Psychoanalysis" on this deliberate lie.
Sigmund Freud was an Atheist whose stated goal was to provide mankind with an alternative to religious faith. His proposed solution was to turn our attention from the worship of Almighty God, to self absorption with the biological function of sex, as the basis of human behavior.
To an amazing degree, he has succeeded, as his theories are accepted as if they were fact, and the terms he coined, such as "id, ego, and super-ego" are universally applied to human motivation and behavior.
Carl Gustav Jung, and Sigmund Freud are two of the best known and most influential figures of the past century. Jung's theories of myths and archetypes, and his belief in a collective unconscious, are now part of modern culture.
In The Aryan Christ, by Richard Noll, © 1997, 337pg., Noll describes how Jung was born in 1875, into a family with a history of the practice of spiritism/occultism, and a record of mental disorders, and how many details of his life and teachings, which were deliberately suppressed by his family and disciples, after his death, have just been excavated from archives in Europe and America, and are being published for the first time.
His idealization of "primitive man" was based on the romantic and nationalistic Volkish movement, including the racism of nineteenth-century German culture in his day, which idealized the pre-Christian Aryan past. Jung deliberately and repeatedly entered into self-induced trance states, something he had learned practicing spiritism. This practice, he would later call "active imagination," pretending it to be, in some way "scientific", rather than from the occult.
After an experience of "initiation," while in this state of altered consciousness, he developed and practiced a neopagan form of the ancient "Mystery Religions", essentially Biblical "Ba'al worship," religion based on "sun worship," incorporating within it, fertility and goddess worship, after his pivotal visionary experience in which he saw himself reborn as a lion-headed god from an ancient cult, and at times, he recorded the worship of a rooster headed god named Abraxas. Jung advocated Polygamy as a spiritual path, and had adulterous affairs with his female disciples.
This induced occult sexual "initiation" was a valid part of the "treatment", or "therapy" of his closest followers and/or patients. Among these was Edith Rockefeller McCormick, daughter of John D. Rockefeller, who through her generous father, funneled millions of dollars to him for his "research", and to make his name known in Psychology.
Jung derived his Psychotherapeutic practices from the ancient mystery cults of the Hellenistic world. He transformed and incorporated the "imaginal" spirit entities he encountered in his trance states, or visions, into elements of his Analytical Psychoanalysis.
Thus, what the modern world was introduced to in his papers, and speeches, as a modern breakthrough in the understanding, and treatment of the human mind, as in the case of Freud, was based on personal experiences of ancient, occult practices and Mythology. Jung's most famous teachings and ideas were introduced to him by his spirit guide, Philemon, who, according to Jung, instructed him in "the Law", from the timeless space known as the Egyptian Land of the Dead.
Philemon was so real to Jung, he painted a picture of him on his bedroom wall as he had appeared to him, an old emaciated man with white beard and mustache, wide wings made of the feathers of a kingfisher, and the horns of a bull, flying across the sky, carrying a ring of keys.
Can it be that the Creator of the Universe, and of mankind "didn't know" about some aspect of our being? On the contrary, he warned us of deceitful spirits, producing their "doctrines of demons," who would, if possible, fool even the "elect." (1st Timothy 4:1)
With the advent of Freudian and Jungian Psychology, and their acceptance as "truth," by Medicine and Academia, and the Behavioral Disciplines that followed, autonomous spirit entities were given a legitimate voice from within us. Suddenly, we found ourselves being spoken to by our "unconscious or subconscious" mind, a concept the Bible, and it's author, Jesus Christ, who wrote the entire Bible, through human prophets and apostles, inspired by the Holy Spirit, does not recognize.
Sigmund Freud is often referred to as the "father" of Psychology. He began as a "hypnotherapist," thereby obtaining his "scientific" research, which was portrayed as a modern scientific breakthrough, in understanding the human mind, by incorporating an ancient Shamanistic occult technique into his methodology.
In a very candid letter to his close friend, Wilhelm Fliess he wrote, "I am really not a man of science, not an observer, not an experimenter, and not a thinker. I am nothing but by temperament a conquistador (conqueror)... with the curiosity the boldness, and the tenacity that belong to that type of being."
(Why Freud Fainted, p.20, by Samuel Rosenberg, © 1978, 256 pg.)
In "The Assault on Truth," by Jeffrey Masson, © 1984, 368 pg., the former Projects Director of the Freud Archives, asserts that Freud's earliest and most valid scientific research was abandoned, because he chose not to accept the reality of his child patients' experiences of parental sexual abuse. He feared an adverse reaction by the victim's parents, who represented the elite and empowered of society, which would necessitate a loss of income, and the disapproval of his colleagues.
According to this well documented book, based on long-secret letters and documents, Freud hid his true findings, and hypothesized a complete reversal of his actual research. He theorized his patient's childhood memories of seduction and rape into fantasies on the children's part, of incestuous sexual desire toward their parents, and built his entire foundation of "Psychoanalysis" on this deliberate lie.
Sigmund Freud was an Atheist whose stated goal was to provide mankind with an alternative to religious faith. His proposed solution was to turn our attention from the worship of Almighty God, to self absorption with the biological function of sex, as the basis of human behavior.
To an amazing degree, he has succeeded, as his theories are accepted as if they were fact, and the terms he coined, such as "id, ego, and super-ego" are universally applied to human motivation and behavior.
Carl Gustav Jung, and Sigmund Freud are two of the best known and most influential figures of the past century. Jung's theories of myths and archetypes, and his belief in a collective unconscious, are now part of modern culture.
In The Aryan Christ, by Richard Noll, © 1997, 337pg., Noll describes how Jung was born in 1875, into a family with a history of the practice of spiritism/occultism, and a record of mental disorders, and how many details of his life and teachings, which were deliberately suppressed by his family and disciples, after his death, have just been excavated from archives in Europe and America, and are being published for the first time.
His idealization of "primitive man" was based on the romantic and nationalistic Volkish movement, including the racism of nineteenth-century German culture in his day, which idealized the pre-Christian Aryan past. Jung deliberately and repeatedly entered into self-induced trance states, something he had learned practicing spiritism. This practice, he would later call "active imagination," pretending it to be, in some way "scientific", rather than from the occult.
After an experience of "initiation," while in this state of altered consciousness, he developed and practiced a neopagan form of the ancient "Mystery Religions", essentially Biblical "Ba'al worship," religion based on "sun worship," incorporating within it, fertility and goddess worship, after his pivotal visionary experience in which he saw himself reborn as a lion-headed god from an ancient cult, and at times, he recorded the worship of a rooster headed god named Abraxas. Jung advocated Polygamy as a spiritual path, and had adulterous affairs with his female disciples.
This induced occult sexual "initiation" was a valid part of the "treatment", or "therapy" of his closest followers and/or patients. Among these was Edith Rockefeller McCormick, daughter of John D. Rockefeller, who through her generous father, funneled millions of dollars to him for his "research", and to make his name known in Psychology.
Jung derived his Psychotherapeutic practices from the ancient mystery cults of the Hellenistic world. He transformed and incorporated the "imaginal" spirit entities he encountered in his trance states, or visions, into elements of his Analytical Psychoanalysis.
Thus, what the modern world was introduced to in his papers, and speeches, as a modern breakthrough in the understanding, and treatment of the human mind, as in the case of Freud, was based on personal experiences of ancient, occult practices and Mythology. Jung's most famous teachings and ideas were introduced to him by his spirit guide, Philemon, who, according to Jung, instructed him in "the Law", from the timeless space known as the Egyptian Land of the Dead.
Philemon was so real to Jung, he painted a picture of him on his bedroom wall as he had appeared to him, an old emaciated man with white beard and mustache, wide wings made of the feathers of a kingfisher, and the horns of a bull, flying across the sky, carrying a ring of keys.
Can it be that the Creator of the Universe, and of mankind "didn't know" about some aspect of our being? On the contrary, he warned us of deceitful spirits, producing their "doctrines of demons," who would, if possible, fool even the "elect." (1st Timothy 4:1)
With the advent of Freudian and Jungian Psychology, and their acceptance as "truth," by Medicine and Academia, and the Behavioral Disciplines that followed, autonomous spirit entities were given a legitimate voice from within us. Suddenly, we found ourselves being spoken to by our "unconscious or subconscious" mind, a concept the Bible, and it's author, Jesus Christ, who wrote the entire Bible, through human prophets and apostles, inspired by the Holy Spirit, does not recognize.
skyrider wrote:
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Feb 3, 2022 13:47:02 #
manning5
Loc: Richmond, VA
Zemirah wrote:
After observing the inclusion of the academic disc... (show quote)
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The small wee voice that guides me through life is that of the Holy Spirit. He is very direct, and not given to long-winded explanations, not the Who, What, Where, Why, When, but very short answers mostly a Yes, or No, but sometimes a "think about it!" "you are right" or a "stop!" I have found Him right every time, so I strain to listen! This makes me feel protected when I venture into strange territory, knowing I will get His guidance on the spot, whether I ask or not.
I am quite certain that this voice is not coming from my subconscious mind, but from the Holy Spirit, it has never failed me, so long as I listen! And, yes, there have been times that I didn't "tune in" to my detriment.
Today, I asked Him if I was heading into a problem area concerning UM and the Paranormal. He immediately said "No, but there is a line you must not cross. Be aware!" I was warned. Now I need to find out where the line is; obviously it concerns God the Trinity and UM. I feel, rather than know, that there is one UM, and it is the Mind of God, and not some detached Mind that we can poke around with, especially if it belongs to Satan. I have to stay on the right side here, and that must be the line. It seems that simply investigating what is out there in the paranormal is no problem either, but there is a line too, and again, I feel it is a caution not to go too far with it, it is in the province of Satan. The thought came to me that it is wise to learn who the enemy is and what he can do given the chance, a sort of intelligence gathering without being caught!
Feb 3, 2022 14:31:48 #
Zemirah wrote:
Manning, I excused myself from your endeavor in my... (show quote)
You seem unable to grasp our intent. Let me say directly, we have no objection to religious contributions from anyone. The objection is to participants who cannot, or will not, keep an open mind. What we don't need is "holier than thou" denouncements being machine gunned into the conjectures. Our intent is to look critically at our personal experiences and wonder aloud to one another.
Stated simply, you are welcome to participate, however, your attitude would need some serious adjustment.
Feb 4, 2022 08:55:36 #
manning5 wrote:
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It almost seems you were questioning yourself. You’ve already stated you have your beliefs and I doubt falter from them…
Seeking to understand other avenues of different things is not turning away from one’s personal beliefs but helping to reinforce or sustain oneself.
I have found when the vision gets “muddled” ultimately more clarity comes if that makes any sense to you?
To question is to enlighten, ultimately. Or at least it is for me.
Feb 4, 2022 11:19:29 #
manning5
Loc: Richmond, VA
JW wrote:
You seem unable to grasp our intent. Let me say di... (show quote)
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JW, skyrider and others, the private section is now open.
Feb 4, 2022 11:29:44 #
manning5
Loc: Richmond, VA
lindajoy wrote:
It almost seems you were questioning yourself. You... (show quote)
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I must be writing without thinking lately. I had no intention of showing doubt of my beliefs, but I sought conformation from my most reliable source that our plans were not heading into wrong directions. I received that confirmation. This allows me to proceed with greater confidence into consideration of our topics, and I know the limits as well. Just a very practical step for me.
Feb 4, 2022 11:36:18 #
JW,
I don't believe you'all understand your own intent, or if you do, you lack the courage to state it openly, though it was open enough for me to understand the repercussions when I read the Title and your initial stated objective.
The explosive emotions my mild questioning has elicited from two out of three of you confirms to me your unstated objective.
Go your own way with it, and attempt to keep the tar and sulfur fumes minimized.
Thank you.
I don't believe you'all understand your own intent, or if you do, you lack the courage to state it openly, though it was open enough for me to understand the repercussions when I read the Title and your initial stated objective.
The explosive emotions my mild questioning has elicited from two out of three of you confirms to me your unstated objective.
Go your own way with it, and attempt to keep the tar and sulfur fumes minimized.
Thank you.
JW wrote:
You seem unable to grasp our intent. Let me say di... (show quote)
Feb 4, 2022 11:44:50 #
Zemirah wrote:
JW,
I don't believe you'all understand your own intent, or if you do, you lack the courage to state it openly, though it was open enough for me to understand the repercussions when I read the Title and your initial stated objective.
The explosive emotions my mild questioning has elicited from two out of three of you confirms to me your unstated objective.
Go your own way with it, and attempt to keep the tar and sulfur fumes minimized.
Thank you.
I don't believe you'all understand your own intent, or if you do, you lack the courage to state it openly, though it was open enough for me to understand the repercussions when I read the Title and your initial stated objective.
The explosive emotions my mild questioning has elicited from two out of three of you confirms to me your unstated objective.
Go your own way with it, and attempt to keep the tar and sulfur fumes minimized.
Thank you.
OK Z you asked for it Here is a copy paste of a P.M. to me from an OPP poster, there are more but I will not name names.
Private Messages: Inbox
Heads up
Arguing with Zemirah is pointless...
She enjoys insulting others and then claiming victimhood...
She has no interest in discussing anything in good faith...
Just a heads up...
She comes off as an intelligent person and you can waste a lot of time in fruitless argument with her...
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