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The Universal Mind, God, and the Big Bang...
Jan 30, 2022 12:29:06 #
manning5
Loc: Richmond, VA
JW wrote:
I have no objection to the steps you laid out, but I think you are starting too far down the road. We need to synchronize our watches, so to speak.
What are we meaning by awareness, consciousness, universal mind, and the various terms we will be using? What are the inherent characteristics of those things.
What are we meaning by awareness, consciousness, universal mind, and the various terms we will be using? What are the inherent characteristics of those things.
I agree that we need to establish our terminology, JW. Would you like to take the lead on this? Today is not my best day for it! Brain fog!
I believe that differentiation between consciousness and awareness is very useful.
Jan 30, 2022 12:39:30 #
manning5
Loc: Richmond, VA
JW wrote:
How about Metaphysics and the Paranomal.
Sounds good to me. Less cutesy than mine! LOL More direct.
Jan 30, 2022 15:44:35 #
Parky60 wrote:
So, let's start in Genesis 1:1, with what I consid... (show quote)
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God the Alpha and the Omega. The beginning and the end!
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Jan 30, 2022 16:37:14 #
JW wrote:
I agree, essentially. Where I run into trouble is the idea that the universe was created for us. I find it easier to think we were created for the universe.
I know you don't want to hear reasoning on this issue from the Bible, but God clearly stated He created all things for His pleasure.
Jan 30, 2022 18:39:55 #
manning5 wrote:
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Much of this sounds familiar to me. I was raised a Christian Scientist. The purpose of this denomination is designed around mind-over-matter. You don't see doctors. If you become ill, it is because your thinking is incorrect-you have allowed 'error' to influence you. Consequently, when you get your thoughts in order-your body resumes it natural state of health.
This is "The Scientific Statement of Being" according to their religious material:
There is no life, truth, intelligence nor substance in matter. All is infinite Mind and it's infinite manifestation, for God is All-in-all. Spirit is immortal truth; matter is mortal error. Spirit is the real and eternal; matter is the unreal and temporal. Spirit is God, and man is His image and likeness. Therefore man is not material, he is spiritual.
Jan 30, 2022 19:10:50 #
manning5
Loc: Richmond, VA
skyrider wrote:
I like Paraspectives. How do we go about getting this done?
Sky, I sent a message to Admin asking him to set us up in a separate section. JW recommended a more forthright topic name: Metaphysics and the Paranormal, and I thought it would be more generally acceptable and readily understood. So, I used it in my request. I hope that is OK with you.
Jan 30, 2022 19:41:54 #
manning5
Loc: Richmond, VA
JW wrote:
I agree, essentially. Where I run into trouble is the idea that the universe was created for us. I find it easier to think we were created for the universe.
I just began to puzzle over the semantics of your comment. Is this not your belief:
1) God created the Universe, Heaven and Earth ,the galaxies, stars and planets and all thing living and not living in the Universe and,
2) God created Man and Woman, and they were created in the Universe. I suppose also, God created us for the Universe in some sense, i.e. for the Universe to become populated at and for His pleasure.
Jan 30, 2022 19:43:06 #
JW wrote:
If God has access to our minds, your feelings would be accurate assessments.
Yes, the god I was talking about does have access to our minds. So, when he peers down at all the events in our space-time, he sees everything, including every thought in every mind.
I don't mean to say that there really "is" such a god. I'm just saying that it's how I feel about reality.
Jan 30, 2022 22:17:56 #
manning5 wrote:
I just began to puzzle over the semantics of your comment. Is this not your belief:
1) God created the Universe, Heaven and Earth ,the galaxies, stars and planets and all thing living and not living in the Universe and,
2) God created Man and Woman, and they were created in the Universe. I suppose also, God created us for the Universe in some sense, i.e. for the Universe to become populated at and for His pleasure.
1) God created the Universe, Heaven and Earth ,the galaxies, stars and planets and all thing living and not living in the Universe and,
2) God created Man and Woman, and they were created in the Universe. I suppose also, God created us for the Universe in some sense, i.e. for the Universe to become populated at and for His pleasure.
This is a very interesting hypothesis Manning.
Christianity teaches, according to scripture, that God created the universe for and through His only Begotten Son.
As for the purpose of humans, we were created in the image and likeness of God so that we could come to know Him and love Him.
Both of these statements are open ended enough to allow for the population of the universe to be accomplished by mankind.
Jan 30, 2022 22:20:15 #
It's important to know the purpose of creation if one wants to become one with the Universal Mind.
Jan 30, 2022 23:21:01 #
Here is how a sign was given to me. This was the first miracle that I experienced:
Long ago I was driving and listening to a talk show on Catholic radio. The guest was a monk from the Order of the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts of Jesus and Mary. He was a missionary in the horn of Africa at a large refugee camp. His Order had started a campaign to save refugees from starving by producing an edible paste made from local plants. There is a cost involved. One dollar would enable them to produce enough paste to keep one person alive for one month.
So I decided to quit smoking and redirect that money to the Order. Five dollars per month. I didn't smoke much, my wife and I had three sons, so I decided five dollars would be good.
My wife was in the early stages of paranoid schizophrenia and was quite violent. Constant verbal abuse and sometimes physical abuse, even with heavy medication. She disliked me intensely and she especially hated the Catholic Church after I announced my conversion. At the advice of priests I held off on actually joining a parish or having any further conversations of religion with her.
As you can imagine, I needed to keep my monthly charitable contribution a closely guarded secret. So I put $5 in an envelope and tried to remember the address to which it should be sent. One Dollar for Africa? A hastily scribbled address? I typed in the URL on the newly created internet. There were no search engines yet so my search came up empty. I didn't know what to do but I mailed the envelope anyway, making sure there was no return address. And then I made double sure. Not even my first name.
I worried that my letter would be undeliverable. And I worried that every month I would repeat the same futile gesture. I was sure of it. I prayed for help. And worried and prayed a lot more.
A couple weeks later a letter arrived for me at my office. It was from the Order of the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts of Jesus and Mary. Addressed to my first name, c/o my employer. It was my year end statement for my tax records. Five dollars. And of course it contained the name and address which I had been so worried about. Not "One Dollar for Africa " but rather "Just One Dollar for Africa ". This was why my internet search failed.
But HOW DID THEY GET MY NAME AND THAT OF MY EMPLOYER? In my apprehension over sending money to a Catholic charity I literally turned the envelope over and over, front to back to front to back, making sure there was NO RETURN ADDRESS! And the envelope was from MY HOUSE! HOW WERE THEY ABLE TO ANSWER MY PRAYER???
Miracle.
Long ago I was driving and listening to a talk show on Catholic radio. The guest was a monk from the Order of the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts of Jesus and Mary. He was a missionary in the horn of Africa at a large refugee camp. His Order had started a campaign to save refugees from starving by producing an edible paste made from local plants. There is a cost involved. One dollar would enable them to produce enough paste to keep one person alive for one month.
So I decided to quit smoking and redirect that money to the Order. Five dollars per month. I didn't smoke much, my wife and I had three sons, so I decided five dollars would be good.
My wife was in the early stages of paranoid schizophrenia and was quite violent. Constant verbal abuse and sometimes physical abuse, even with heavy medication. She disliked me intensely and she especially hated the Catholic Church after I announced my conversion. At the advice of priests I held off on actually joining a parish or having any further conversations of religion with her.
As you can imagine, I needed to keep my monthly charitable contribution a closely guarded secret. So I put $5 in an envelope and tried to remember the address to which it should be sent. One Dollar for Africa? A hastily scribbled address? I typed in the URL on the newly created internet. There were no search engines yet so my search came up empty. I didn't know what to do but I mailed the envelope anyway, making sure there was no return address. And then I made double sure. Not even my first name.
I worried that my letter would be undeliverable. And I worried that every month I would repeat the same futile gesture. I was sure of it. I prayed for help. And worried and prayed a lot more.
A couple weeks later a letter arrived for me at my office. It was from the Order of the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts of Jesus and Mary. Addressed to my first name, c/o my employer. It was my year end statement for my tax records. Five dollars. And of course it contained the name and address which I had been so worried about. Not "One Dollar for Africa " but rather "Just One Dollar for Africa ". This was why my internet search failed.
But HOW DID THEY GET MY NAME AND THAT OF MY EMPLOYER? In my apprehension over sending money to a Catholic charity I literally turned the envelope over and over, front to back to front to back, making sure there was NO RETURN ADDRESS! And the envelope was from MY HOUSE! HOW WERE THEY ABLE TO ANSWER MY PRAYER???
Miracle.
Jan 30, 2022 23:27:02 #
A couple years later I received another letter from the Order. Which led to an even more profound miracle. I will tell you about this soon.
Jan 30, 2022 23:50:22 #
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
A couple years later I received another letter from the Order. Which led to an even more profound miracle. I will tell you about this soon.
Thanks, Roamin. Manning has requested a dedicated topic space here on OPP for keeping participation
in one place. I am hoping we get that place.
Jan 31, 2022 00:57:12 #
Ricktloml wrote:
I know you don't want to hear reasoning on this issue from the Bible, but God clearly stated He created all things for His pleasure.
Personally, that is the same conclusion I have arrived at.
Jan 31, 2022 01:15:27 #
manning5 wrote:
I just began to puzzle over the semantics of your comment. Is this not your belief:
1) God created the Universe, Heaven and Earth ,the galaxies, stars and planets and all thing living and not living in the Universe and,
2) God created Man and Woman, and they were created in the Universe. I suppose also, God created us for the Universe in some sense, i.e. for the Universe to become populated at and for His pleasure.
1) God created the Universe, Heaven and Earth ,the galaxies, stars and planets and all thing living and not living in the Universe and,
2) God created Man and Woman, and they were created in the Universe. I suppose also, God created us for the Universe in some sense, i.e. for the Universe to become populated at and for His pleasure.
Fundamentally, I am a skeptic, in the original sense. I am searching for an answer but have not yet found one that is entirely satisfactory.
Most religions place the creation of the world/universe before the creation of mankind. Therefore, it makes more logical sense to see us as accessories rather than something so special that a universe was made for us. Seeing it that way also conforms to the theory of evolution. We are late comers.
It is my opinion that God, whatever that actually is, is the creator of everything that is. We, humans, are animals exactly like all the other animals in the universe. We have, for whatever reason, grown in mental capacity to a remarkable degree... but the animal nature is still within us.
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